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Korn
Jul 23rd, 2006, 10:13 AM
Count Leo Tolstoy, Russian novelist & philosopher, (1829-1910):
"If a man earnestly seeks a righteous life, his first act of abstinence is from animal food."

Albert Einstein, physicist, 1921 Nobel Prize recipient:
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."

"It is my view that a vegetarian manner of living, by its purely physical effect on the human temperament, would most beneficially influence the lot of mankind."

Alice Walker, American author, The Color Purple:
"The animals of the world exist for their own reasons. They were not made for humans any more than blacks were made for whites, or women for men."

Mahatma Gandhi, Hindu pacifist and spiritual leader, (1869-1948):

"It is very significant that some of the most thoughtful and cultured men are partisans of a pure vegetable diet."

"I do not regard flesh-food as necessary for us at any stage and under any clime in which it is possible for human beings ordinarily to live, I hold flesh-food to be unsuited to our species."


Leonardo Da Vinci, Italian sculptor, artist, inventor, (142:1519):


"The time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of animals as they now look upon the murder of men."

Plutarch, Greek philosopher, (46-120 A.D.):

"The obligations of law and equity reach only to mankind; but kindness and beneficence should be extended to the creatures of every species and these will flow from the breast of a true man, as streams that issue from the living fountain."

Henry David Thoreau, American author, naturalist (1812-1862):

"Every man who has ever been earnest to preserve his higher or poetic faculties in the best condition has been particularly inclined to abstain from animal food."

George Bernard Shaw, Anglo-Irish author and playwright, 1925 Nobel Prize Recipient, (1856-1950):

"My situation is a solemn one: life is offered to me on the condition of eating beefsteaks. But death is better than cannibalism. My will contains directions for my funeral, which will be followed, not by mourning coaches, but by oxen, sheep, flocks of poultry, and a small traveling aquarium of live fish, all wearing white scarves in honor of the man who perished rather than eat his fellow creatures. It will be, without the exception of Noah's Ark, the most remarkable thing of its kind ever seen."

"The average age (longevity) of a meat-eater is 63. I am on the verge of 85 and still at work as hard as ever. I have lived quite long enough and am trying to die, but I simply cannot do it. A single beefsteak would finish me, but I cannot bring myself to swallow it. I am oppressed with a dread of living forever. That is the only disadvantage of vegetarianism."

Plato, Greek philosopher, (circa 428-347 B.C.):

"The Gods created certain kinds of beings to replenish our bodies; they are the trees and the plants and the seeds."

Albert Schweitzer, M.D., Alsatian philosopher and medical missionary, 1952 Nobel prize recipient, (1875-1965):

"--There slowly grew up in me an unshakable conviction that we have no right to inflict suffering and death on another living creature, unless there is some unavoidable necessity for it."

Benjamin Spock, M.D, the famous Dr. Spock pediatrician and author, (1903-1998):

"When I was 88 years old, I gave up meat entirely and switched to a plant foods diet following a slight stroke. During the following months, I not only lost 50 pounds, but gained strength in my legs and picked up stamina. Now, at age 93, I'm on the same plant-based diet, and I still don't eat any meat or dairy products. I either swim, walk, or paddle a canoe daily and I feel the best I've felt since my heart problems began."

Isaac Bashevis Singer, Yiddish Laureate of literature, 1978 Nobel Prize recipient, (1904-1991):

"If there would come a voice from God saying, 'I'm against vegetarianism!' I would say, 'Well, I am for it!' This is how strongly I feel in this regard."

Benjamin Franklin, American statesman, inventor, (1706-1790):

"My refusing to eat meat occasioned inconveniency, and I have been frequently chided for my singularity. But my light repast allows for greater progress, for greater clearness of head and quicker comprehension."

Sir Thomas More, Statesman and Author (1478-1535):

"The utopians feel that slaughtering our fellow creatures gradually destroys the sense of compassion, which is the finest sentiment of which our human nature is capable."

John Robbins, author of Diet for a New America and The Food Revolution:

"It is increasingly obvious that environmentally sustainable solutions to world hunger can only emerge as people eat more plant foods and fewer animal products. To me it is deeply moving that the same food choices that give us the best chance to eliminate world hunger are also those that take the least toll on the environment, contribute the most to our long-term health, are the safest, and are also, far and away, the most compassionate towards our fellow creatures."

Michael Klaper, M.D., American author and international lecturer:

"People are the only animals that drink the milk of the mother of another species. All other animals stop drinking milk altogether after weaning. It is unnatural for a dog to nurse from a mother giraffe; it is just as unnatural for a human being to drink the milk of a cow."


Thanks to By M. Butterflies Katz at www.gentleworld.org for collecting (http://www.gentleworld.org/VEGAN/you_are_not_alone.htm) these and other quotes.

In short - if you plan to go vegan and feel alone about doing it, remember that you are in relatively good company.

We have more quotes here (http://www.veganforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=291).

VeganJohn
Jul 23rd, 2006, 11:09 AM
Great quotes Korn. One favourite of mine is:

'Auschwitz happens when people look at a slaughterhouse and think they are only animals' - Theodore Adorno.

applepie
Jul 23rd, 2006, 11:46 AM
Thanks a lot Korn!
I think my signature fits in here as well as another great quote:

First it was necessary to civilize man in relation to man.
Now it is necessary to civilize man in relation to nature and the animals.
Victor Hugo

DeadxVeggie
Oct 21st, 2006, 11:47 PM
One of my favorites is....


Men dig their Graves with their own Teeth and die more by those fated Instruments than by the Weapons of their Enemies. -- Thomas Moffet

katiebean
Aug 20th, 2007, 03:28 AM
Thanks for posting those, I like them very much.

yum
Aug 20th, 2007, 03:32 PM
thanks for posting these quotes- it's interesting to see vegetarians from years and years ago :)

yum
xxx

katiebean
Aug 22nd, 2007, 12:43 AM
:)

RubyDuby
Aug 22nd, 2007, 02:38 AM
ooh, i love quotes.

Here are a few more:

In fact, if one person is unkind to an animal it is considered to be cruelty, but where a lot of people are unkind to animals, especially in the name of commerce, the cruelty is condoned and, once large sums of money are at stake, will be defended to the last by otherwise intelligent people.
~Ruth Harrison, author

Poor animals! How jealously they guard their pathetic bodies . . . that which to us is merely an evening's meal, but to them is life itself.
~T. Casey Brennan

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed, citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.
~Margaret Mead

To forgive and accept injustice is cowardice.
~Mohandas Gandhi

Life is life--whether in a cat, or dog or man. There is no difference there between a cat or a man. The idea of difference is a human conception for man's own advantage.
~Sri Aurobindo

Each snowflake in an avalanche pleads not guilty.
~Stanislaw Lec

A man can live and be healthy without killing animals for food; therefore, if he eats meat, he participates in taking animal life merely for the sake of his appetite. And to act so is immoral.
~Leo Tolstoy

Flesh eating is unprovoked murder.
~Ben Franklin

LuVegan15
Oct 22nd, 2007, 11:50 PM
Really great quotes, thanks for posting.
My favourite has to be ''Each snowflake in an avalanche pleads not guilty'', becuase it's so true.

RubyDuby
Oct 22nd, 2007, 11:58 PM
mine too! :)

LuVegan15
Oct 23rd, 2007, 10:21 PM
''Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." I also like this one.. I have it on my YouTube =)

absentmindedfan
Oct 23rd, 2007, 10:40 PM
One of my faves, by one of my fave vegans

"If beef is your idea of "real food for real people", you'd better live real close to a real good hospital" - Dr Barnard

Mr Flibble
Oct 27th, 2007, 11:07 AM
I'm glad that so many find quotes motivational - personally I find it generally misleading when you take a small snippet out of a longer piece and don't provide the rest of the piece for reference.

Take for instance "The Gods created certain kinds of beings to replenish our bodies" (this is the first that I randomly selected from the above). Run a google search. How many results? 5 - all pro vegetarian/environmental. Did Plato really say this? It'd be nice to think so, but I'm not so sure.

Obviously plato didn't actually say this, because he didn't speak english, so it could just be a translation and there's actually millions of results for a slight rewording. 10 minutes later of google searches however on the theme of where this quote could have come from and I'm no closer to finding anything.

What I have found is various other examples of "quote mining" and simply made up lines from people who lived thousands of years ago that can't be 100% disproved, but are most likely rubbish. For example, here's another Plato quote (http://www.ilfilosofo.com/blog/2006/10/20/what-plato-might-have-said-but-didnt/).

I'd like to think that us vegans are generally intelligent, intellectual people. I certainly think that a lot of people could be "converted" were they somehow exposed to impartial facts and logic (obviously not all people would, which is why the likes of peta exist - idiots educating idiots ;)). Could when quotes are posted for the purpose of motivation potential vegans they include references? That way they could a) be surer of their authenticity and b) read more from where it came and get even more motivated. If there are no references and a likely hood that it is made up, but is still a good quote, could it just be made anonymous instead?

Korn
Oct 29th, 2007, 02:35 PM
If you're saying that one shouldn't quote anything that is translated because the translation may be wrong, I disagree.... erratic translations happen all the time, and what eg. various originally was written in various religious scriptures have been discussed for ages. A translation is often more than a translation, it's also a rewording - with room for interpretation. As such any quote - or any text - may be 'most likely rubbish', but also make a lot of sense.

The quotes I posted in the first thread are just pasted over from another site (which didn't link the sources), but I agree that posting sources normally is a good idea. Since these quotes are only quotes, and as such normally only are 'small snippets taken out of a longer piece', people may not expect more from a quote than just a... quote. :)

Most of the quoted people above apparently are/were vegetarians or vegans, and even if they weren't - if they said something that made sense, why not quote it.

Personally, I don't know much about the man behind the example you mentioned (Plato), but there's a tiny bit more information here:

THE ORGINS OF MODERN VEGETARIANISM (http://www.newveg.av.org/veghistory.htm)

...and here, from The (UK) Vegetarian Society:
Far from being a relatively new phenomenon, vegetarianism has enjoyed a long and diverse history and has been preserved in most cultures since the very beginnings of time. (http://www.vegsoc.org/news/2000/21cv/ages.html)

Both these sites are mentioning Plato. It doesn't really bother or surprise me that pro vegan/environmental statements from historical people are quoted mainly on pro vegan/environmental sites, but when it comes to quotes, I'm personally not so interested in who said what, but what they said.

Regarding stuff that most likely is rubbish, I don't really have any opinion about the degree of rubbish-ness in old texts. What they wrote (or how it is repeated today) may be rubbish, what we read today may be true to the original text, or may even make more sense than what they wrote. But then again - I'm Norwegian, so everything I write here is already translated from Norwegian and therefore slightly reworded. Don't trust my words! :)

If any of you find sources for these quotes - or that the mentioned people actually never wrote/said what http://www.gentleworld.org/ claim that they did, please let me know, and I'll edit the original post in this thread...

Trethewey
Jan 16th, 2008, 07:36 PM
Benjamin Franklin, American statesman, inventor, (1706-1790):

"My refusing to eat meat occasioned inconveniency, and I have been frequently chided for my singularity. But my light repast allows for greater progress, for greater clearness of head and quicker comprehension."

I heard once from my non-vegan uncle that Benjamin Franklin was fishing in the Atlantic or something and saw people eating fish with smaller fish inside, and decided to forgo vegetarianism because of this. Doesn't seem like something a logical, brilliant man like Benjamin Franklin would do though. Anyone know more about this>? Thanks for the quotes btw

JoeGoldfarb
Feb 17th, 2008, 11:58 AM
I'm glad that so many find quotes motivational - personally I find it generally misleading when you take a small snippet out of a longer piece and don't provide the rest of the piece for reference.

Take for instance "The Gods created certain kinds of beings to replenish our bodies" (this is the first that I randomly selected from the above). Run a google search. How many results? 5 - all pro vegetarian/environmental. Did Plato really say this? It'd be nice to think so, but I'm not so sure.

Obviously plato didn't actually say this, because he didn't speak english, so it could just be a translation and there's actually millions of results for a slight rewording. 10 minutes later of google searches however on the theme of where this quote could have come from and I'm no closer to finding anything.

What I have found is various other examples of "quote mining" and simply made up lines from people who lived thousands of years ago that can't be 100% disproved, but are most likely rubbish. For example, here's another Plato quote (http://www.ilfilosofo.com/blog/2006/10/20/what-plato-might-have-said-but-didnt/).

I'd like to think that us vegans are generally intelligent, intellectual people. I certainly think that a lot of people could be "converted" were they somehow exposed to impartial facts and logic (obviously not all people would, which is why the likes of peta exist - idiots educating idiots ;)). Could when quotes are posted for the purpose of motivation potential vegans they include references? That way they could a) be surer of their authenticity and b) read more from where it came and get even more motivated. If there are no references and a likely hood that it is made up, but is still a good quote, could it just be made anonymous instead?

"The time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of animals as they now look upon the murder of men." Leonardo Da Vinci

the leonardo statement regarding murder is a misquote and is "not authentic": http://www.ivu.org/history/davinci/

Korn
Apr 10th, 2008, 06:42 AM
Famous Vegetarians & Vegan Quotes (http://www.vegetarian-restaurants.net/OtherInfo/Famous-Vegetarian-Quotes.htm)

Korn
May 3rd, 2009, 08:44 AM
"You put a baby in a crib with an apple and a rabbit. If it eats the rabbit and plays with the apple, I'll buy you a new car". (Harvey Diamond)

baby_vicuņa
May 9th, 2009, 02:41 AM
^ I love that one! I laughed out loud and nearly spit out my drink when I read that in Fit For Life. I might even make that my sig. Hmm...

Korn
Jun 3rd, 2009, 06:42 PM
Here's another quote from Plutarch (http://www.ivu.org/history/greece_rome/plutarch.html) (c.AD 46 - c.120):

http://www.happycow.net/images/famous/plutarch.jpg


Why do you belie the earth, as if it were unable to feed and nourish you? Does it not shame you to mingle murder and blood with her beneficent fruits? Other carnivora you call savage and ferocious - lions and tigers and serpents - while yourselves come behind them in no species of barbarity. And yet for them murder is the only means of sustenance! Whereas to you it is superfluous luxury and crime!

But for the sake of some little mouthful of flesh we deprive a soul of the sun and light, and of that proportion of life and time it had been born into the world to enjoy.

kaybee
Jun 9th, 2009, 11:45 PM
hey--if anyone knows what quote im talking about, i would LOVE to have someone quote the whole thing...i read it several years ago, i think on someone signature on a raw vegan website, but then i could never find it again, even when i searched that website and posted asking if anyone knew it. but it was something to the effect of how animal flesh does not call to us/does not reveal itself to us as something to be eaten, but how the plants and herbs, like sage, etc, how the very smell of them etc attracts us to them as what we shoudl be eating. this was really poignant to me in trying to make the veg argument to others. i wish i coudl find the quote though...anyone know?

thanks much

kaybee

babak.deghat
Jun 12th, 2009, 11:30 PM
Any religion or philosophy which is not based on a respect for life is not a true religion or philosophy.Albert Schweitzer

Mahk
Jun 29th, 2009, 06:54 AM
"Thou shalt not kill." - God

Mahk
Jun 29th, 2009, 07:11 AM
Benjamin Franklin, American statesman, inventor, (1706-1790):

"My refusing to eat meat occasioned inconveniency, and I have been frequently chided for my singularity. But my light repast allows for greater progress, for greater clearness of head and quicker comprehension."

I heard once from my non-vegan uncle that Benjamin Franklin was fishing in the Atlantic or something and saw people eating fish with smaller fish inside, and decided to forgo vegetarianism because of this. Doesn't seem like something a logical, brilliant man like Benjamin Franklin would do though. Anyone know more about this>? Thanks for the quotes btw

link (http://www.ushistory.org/franklin/autobiography/page18.htm)
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Our third President of the US, Thomas Jefferson, principal author of the US Declaration of Independence, was the closest to the US ever having a vegetarian president. Keep in mind when he was living on a principally vegetable based diet the word "vegetarian" hadn't even been coined yet. Such people were sometimes referred to as "Pythagoreans" after the Greek philosopher who, for the most part, didn't eat meat.

PaintedXSkyline
Jun 30th, 2009, 04:50 AM
"I saw with open eyes
Singing birds sweet
Sold in the shops
For the people to eat,
Sold in the shops of
Stupidity Street."

- Ralph Hodgson, Stupidity Street



I was reading a book of quotations and came across it. I'm not sure how well it fits in here...