Beer

[Gorilla]

I'm not sure if anyone found a definative answer on Koppenberg cider, but I found this web page http://www.veggiewines.co.uk/popularbeers.htm that states it's vegan and this, which seems to be an email from the company...
12/02/2008


Hi!

According to our consultant product developer our cider is suitable for vegetarians/vegans.

Best Regards


Fredrik Bjornehall
Customer Relations
konsumentkontakt@kopparbergs.se


woohoo! thanks for posting this, i hadn't seen the earlier post Mr F refers to. now i can try some, it sounds ace!

[Mr Flibble]

It tastes like lemonade with syrup in it ;)

[Frosty]

The Sumemr Fruits one isn't quite so sickly. Bit pink though! :D

[emzy1985]

hehe so are you still thinking about going sXe?

(emzy! i ate ketchup with mushrooms the other day, i was thinking of you!)

Not thinking about it but have actually done it now. Random food combinations = my favourite thing.

Goodbye vegan beer and cider thread! I love you, but I won't miss you! ;)

[Marrers]

Good luck with giving it all up emzy. Let us know how you are getting on in other threads (or maybe start a thread about it - there used to be a tee-total support thread).

[Frosty]

Here it is (http://www.veganforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9778&highlight=tee+total), although she probably won't see that considering she's not coming here and stuff :undecided: :umm_ani: I shall do some PM'ing...

If you are here though, best of luck to yeee! I think it's a very grand idea. I took tw days off last July, but didn't notice any difference :no_expression:

[alisont]

Anyone know if Thatchers ciders vegan?

Im thinking it is?

Saw it in co op the other day and it sounds nice!

I got some bargin Grolsh- normal price £4.99 for 4 but was buy one get one free and some were reduced to £3.25 when i brought 2 it came to £1.78 for 8 bottles as thats how the till worked it out:)

[Frosty]

I believe it is Ali - http://www.ethicalstudent.com/biglist.php (http://www.ethicalstudent.com/biglist.php)

It's good stuff, they have quite anextensive range of ciders as well. About 5 in my local :)
Edit to add: http://www.thatcherscider.co.uk/

[alisont]

Thats good news!

Ive tried the Spartan which is really nice light and crispy, got Katy and Cox ones to try.

Its 3 for £4.50 at the co op but i might order some online minimum of 12 bottles, but saves carrying them home.

[sandra]

Thatchers cider is vegan too! :)


Yes, I've been a fan of Thatchers cider for years............I made the above post on May 30th.........but it must have gone unnoticed! :sad::D

[alisont]

Sorry Sandra must of missed that - Im on so many forums I tend to not have the time to spend on them all so keep missing things:rolleyes:

I am going to order 12 of the Thatchers ciders dont know which to pick but Spartan was nice so will go for that!

[Frosty]

Yes, I've been a fan of Thatchers cider for years............I made the above post on May 30th.........but it must have gone unnoticed! :sad::D

Knew I'd seen it somewhere, but thought it may have been the cider making me hallucinate again :p




I am going to order 12 of the Thatchers ciders dont know which to pick but Spartan was nice so will go for that!

Get Katy! I love the taste of Katy (bit of a husband beater strength though).

[sandra]

Sorry Sandra must of missed that - Im on so many forums I tend to not have the time to spend on them all so keep missing things:rolleyes:


I was only having a laugh Alisont! :D
Have you tried their 'Vintage Somerset cider?' it's lovely..........infact I'm enjoying a chilled glass of it while we speak! :) xx

[Mr Flibble]

The Sumemr Fruits one isn't quite so sickly. Bit pink though! :D

I felt really ill half way through a bottle of this this lunch time. I was almost sick.

It's like fizzy ribena, but not in a good way. And it's the kind of fizz that isn't bubbles rising from the bottom to the top, it's the type that seems still so you swig half a pint then feel really rough.

[Risker]

It is very much like fizzy ribena, I think it's really nice :)

[Gorilla]

i'm drinking Kopparberg pear cider right now, i don't think it's all that sweet, and i don't really have much of a sweet tooth. i rather like it.

[sandra]

Does anyone know if Kronenbourg beer is vegan?
I've searched this thread but can't find anything............my husband bought some last night. I still have the receipt so I can take it back if it isn't vegan! :)

[Risker]

AFAIK It's not. It's stated on the vegetarian beers (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/geraint.bevan/Vegetarian_beers.html) website as being filtered with isinglass, though that info is 5 years old.

[sandra]

Thanks Risker..............looks like it'll be going back then! :(

[Frank]

Here's one to try instead then Sandra!!


EVERARDS NEW CHAMPAGNE BEER, SUITABLE FOR VEGANS & VEGETARIANS

Pub goers across the country will be celebrating the summer with the latest innovation ale from Everards Brewery - a cloudy wheat beer, made from champagne yeast.

Hazy Daze is available across the Leicestershire brewery’s pub estate from the 26th of June until August.

This summer ale is a cask conditioned cloudy wheat beer which is brewed with champagne yeast and is suitable for vegans and vegetarians. The result is a great tasting ale with zesty orange flavours.

Everards Brewery has a pub estate of 166 houses around the Midlands, all of which are run under the Everards banner as individual businesses by the licensees. The pubs vary widely from city centre venues to traditional village pubs

[sandra]

That sounds really nice Frank................hopefully they'll start selling it over here soon! :)

[Risker]

RE: Kronenberg


Although Scottish & Newcastle UK products are not tested on animals, we
treat our beers with isinglass finings (a solution of collagen prepared
from certain fish).

This is the only animal product which Scottish & Newcastle UK ever uses in
beer production. Isinglass has been used in beers for centuries as a
clarification agent during beer conditioning. In keg and small pack beers,
there is very little, if any finings left in the finished product as it
settles out with the yeast, and any residues are removed during the
filtration process.

In cask beers, however, finings is added to the beer when it is packaged to
assist the settling of the live yeast that is an integral part of cask
conditioning. Cask beers, then, will always have some finings in the cask,
but if the beer has been treated properly in the pub and isn't cloudy, the
sediment containing the majority of finings remains at the bottom of the
cask and very little carries through to the finished product.

Unfortunately, fish finings work so well that all attempts by brewers to
find a suitable alternative have by and large been unsuccessful. There has
been no concern over health aspects, as no consumer ill effects have ever
been reported over the many, many years that finings have been used.

Although the conclusion drawn is that there is little, if any, finings in
the finished product, it is advised that as the product may contain traces
of finings that we do not say it is suitable for vegetarians.’

With regards to our ciders, three of our products, Strongbow Sirrus,
Bulmers Original and Jacques use an animal product as a colouring material.
Our other ciders do not use any animal products as ingredients. However
some of our processes mean that very small amounts of these three ciders
may come in contact with our other ciders, and as such we can't guarantee
that any of our ciders are suitable for vegetarians.

[sandra]

I think I'll steer clear of all their stuff Risker!
I love the way they say that 'all attempts by brewers to find a suitable alternative have by and large been unsuccessful' how can they say that? Other brewers have managed to make vegan beer. :confused:

[Frosty]

There seems to be conflicting reports re the cider...


OK - good news and some confusion cleared I think.
First I called Bulmers and was passed to Scottish and Newcastle (the new owners) contact centre who told me Isinglass was used, but it sounded like a bit of standard marketing crap.

So then I chased down someone at the Cider plant in Hereford instead:
I spoke to the Cider Production Team Leader in Hereford (The proverbial Horses Mouth).
He told me that no fining agents of any kind are used in the production of any of the ciders made in Hereford (Bulmers, Scrumpy Jack, Woodpecker etc).
They use a Cross-flow Micro filtering technology and have done so (or similar) for 15 yrs. They have also just invested 3/4 million pounds in a new machine which means they will be using this method for the forseable future.
He assured me repeatedly that there are no animal products of any sort used in the manufacture.
His name was John Williams and he said he was happy for me to give his name to anyone that wanted to know. He also said he would tell Scot&New to stop spreading mis-information.


RE: Kronenberg
Quote:
Although Scottish & Newcastle UK products are not tested on animals, we
treat our beers with isinglass finings (a solution of collagen prepared
from certain fish).

This is the only animal product which Scottish & Newcastle UK ever uses in
beer production. Isinglass has been used in beers for centuries as a
clarification agent during beer conditioning. In keg and small pack beers,
there is very little, if any finings left in the finished product as it
settles out with the yeast, and any residues are removed during the
filtration process.

In cask beers, however, finings is added to the beer when it is packaged to
assist the settling of the live yeast that is an integral part of cask
conditioning. Cask beers, then, will always have some finings in the cask,
but if the beer has been treated properly in the pub and isn't cloudy, the
sediment containing the majority of finings remains at the bottom of the
cask and very little carries through to the finished product.

Unfortunately, fish finings work so well that all attempts by brewers to
find a suitable alternative have by and large been unsuccessful. There has
been no concern over health aspects, as no consumer ill effects have ever
been reported over the many, many years that finings have been used.

Although the conclusion drawn is that there is little, if any, finings in
the finished product, it is advised that as the product may contain traces
of finings that we do not say it is suitable for vegetarians.’

With regards to our ciders, three of our products, Strongbow Sirrus,
Bulmers Original and Jacques use an animal product as a colouring material.
Our other ciders do not use any animal products as ingredients. However
some of our processes mean that very small amounts of these three ciders
may come in contact with our other ciders, and as such we can't guarantee
that any of our ciders are suitable for vegetarians.

[Cumin]

I just spoke to the guy at Bulmers again and he has declined to give a statement on this issue with the colouring. It sounds like he was slapped on the wrist for telling me what he said last time.
I would take the bit about cross-contamination as the usual arse-covering, so it seems we are OK with most of the ciders but not the 3 listed in Riskers post: Strongbow Sirrus, Bulmers Original and Jacques

Annoying isn't it. Arrrrg!!! Why can't we just get straight answers from people !!!