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Korn
Nov 2nd, 2006, 10:30 PM
Only 50 years left' for sea fish


There will be virtually nothing left to fish from the seas by the middle of the century if current trends continue, according to a major scientific study.


More. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6108414.stm)


http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42269000/gif/_42269000_seafd_global_loss203gr.gif

howdawg
Nov 2nd, 2006, 10:41 PM
Where'd they get their data? Is that possible? Sounds a bit much....

Korn
Nov 3rd, 2006, 05:38 AM
Where'd they get their data? Is that possible? Sounds a bit much....

According to the article:
"This is a vast piece of research, incorporating scientists from many institutions in Europe and the Americas, and drawing on four distinctly different kinds of data."


Scientists who are surprised about data they find, some times have a tendency to exaggerate, in the hope that they will be heard, I guess. Even if they do exaggerate, there has been a lot of talk about reduction of fish (eg. cod) for some years. We have link to an article suggesting that it isn't even enough fish to satisfy the Omega-3 needs UK schools children have (if they should use fish as an omega-3 source), and if you search on some of the names and sources mentioned in the article, you'll find more info.

The sad thing about exaggerating (if they do) is that lot's of people will ignore their opinions/facts, and go 'it will take 100 years, not 50: you are wrong and I will therefore ignore everything you say and refuse accept the importance of the topic'... kind of.... They won't say this, of course, but many people actually react that way.

Isn't it relatively obvious that at some point (and probably already) there won't be enough fish in the ocean to deliver as much fish as the fish industry wants us to consume?


Here's another related article:
Other Fish in the Sea, But For How Long? (http://www.earth-policy.org/Updates/Update25.htm)

Another one:
Not Enough Fish (http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2006/06/21/not-enough-fish-in-the-sea/)

Another one:
North Sea cod stocks on verge of collapse (http://www.wwf.org.uk/news/n_0000000450.asp)

The myth that getting Omega-3, B12 and vitamin D from fish as an ideal solution today is killed by the fact that if all the people who the fish industry want to use eat fish or use fish products would actually eat the amount of fish they suggest, the problem with getting enough fish would be a LOT bigger than it already seems to be.

It' a bit like if a rich and poor man should have a discussion about the availability of money, and the rich would tell the poor that 'everybody can be rich - you too'. This may be true or untrue, but definitely not true if actually everybody would try to or want to be rich, just because there isn't enough money.

I understand that you are skeptical, but remember that a lot of people were skeptical when they first heard that at some point we have to face that the world's oil resources aren't unlimited, and that at some point humans need to look for and rely on other energy sources.

From the article:

Historical records from coastal zones in North America, Europe and Australia also show declining yields, in step with declining species diversity; these are yields not just of fish, but of other kinds of seafood too.

Unfortunately, humans seem to believe that everything - oil, fresh air, seafood, vitamins in soil and water - is unlimited until the opposite has been proven, which may happen too late to reverse the (known and unknown) damage we have inflicted upon the earth.

Korn
Nov 3rd, 2006, 05:47 AM
Not Enough Fish in the Sea for UK Government's Plans to Boost Children's Nutrition with Omega 3 DHA and EPA from Fish Oil (http://www.prleap.com/pr/38294/)

Deep-sea fish stocks 'plundered' (http://www.veganforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9148)

Imapeach
Nov 3rd, 2006, 01:22 PM
Fish stocks to collapse within 50 yrs, say scientists. (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200611/s1780209.htm)


An international team of scientists says global fish stocks may be wiped out within 50 years if ocean species continue to be lost at their present rate.

The research, published in the journal Science, says if nothing is done to reverse the trend, the world's fisheries will be empty by 2048.

One of the scientists who carried out the research, Dr Boris Worm, says more action is needed to save fish stocks.

"For our own sake and for the sake of fishing communities, for the whole culture that's involved with this, we need to conserve these extremely valuable resources and do that soon and we know how to do that," he said.

"People are taking the right steps in the right directions, that just needs to be done on a much grander scale."
Dramatic decline

In an analysis of scientific data going back to the 1960s and historical records over 1,000 years, the researchers found that marine biodiversity - the variety of ocean fish, shellfish, birds, plants and micro-organisms - has declined dramatically, with 29 per cent of species already in collapse.

Extending this pattern into the future, the scientists calculated that by 2048 all species would be in collapse, which the researchers defined as having catches decline 90 per cent from the maximum catch.

This applies to all species, from mussels and clams to tuna and swordfish, said Dr Worm, lead author of the study.

Ocean mammals, including seals, killer whales and dolphins, are also affected.

"Whether we looked at tide pools or studies over the entire world's ocean, we saw the same picture emerging," he said in a statement.

"In losing species we lose the productivity and stability of entire ecosystems. I was shocked and disturbed by how consistent these trends are - beyond anything we suspected."

When ocean species collapse, it makes the ocean itself weaker and less able to recover from shocks like global climate change, he said.

The decline in marine biodiversity is largely due to over-fishing and destruction of habitat, he said in a telephone interview from Dalhousie University in Halifax, Nova Scotia.
Exploitation

He likened a diverse ocean environment to a diversified investment portfolio.

With lots of different species in the oceans, just as with lots of different kinds of investments, "You spread the risk around," he said.

"In the ocean ecosystem, we're losing a lot of the species in our stock portfolio, and by that we're losing productivity and stability. By losing stability, we're losing the ability of the system to self-repair."

"This research shows we'll have few viable fisheries by 2050," Andrew Sugden, international managing editor of Science, told reporters at a telephone news briefing. "This work also shows that it's not too late to act."

To help depleted areas rebuild, marine-life reserves and no-fishing zones need to be set up, Mr Worm and other authors of the study said. This has proven effective in places including the Georges Bank off the US Atlantic coast, he said.

With marine reserves in place, fishing near the reserves can improve as much as four-fold, he said.

Beyond the economic benefits to coastal communities where fishing is a critical industry, there are environmental benefits to rebuilding marine biodiversity, the scientists said.

Depleted coastal ecosystems are vulnerable to invasive species, disease outbreaks, coastal flooding and noxious algae blooms, they reported.

Certain kinds of aquaculture, like the traditional Chinese cultivation of carp using vegetable waste, can also be beneficial, according to the scientists. However, farms that aim to raise carnivorous fish are less effective.

antman
Nov 3rd, 2006, 04:57 PM
This makes me sadder than anything. I love the sea and all in it so much. Humans are pathetic.

rantipole
Nov 3rd, 2006, 06:39 PM
I read this already. It's horrifying. One part of me thinks it will take something this drastic to wake people up to the degredation we are causing. It's a shame the fish, crabs, dolphins, whales, seals, octopi, squid, turtles, gulls, and such have to suffer so much first.

Cheers,
rant

kriz
Nov 3rd, 2006, 09:52 PM
The world, wake up and go vegan! I'm so saddened about the condition of our planet. I weep daily over this.:(

howdawg
Nov 3rd, 2006, 11:56 PM
Wow, that's amazing... I really don't know what to say except..


"People are taking the right steps in the right directions, that just needs to be done on a much grander scale."


I completely agree with this on many issues...

HappyVegan
Nov 20th, 2006, 10:59 PM
The article I read on this was basically saying "isn't it sad that our grandkids may never know the taste of seafood". I was blown away that this is the only fear people have, lack of seafood. They don't seem to understand how important our oceans are to our ecological system as a whole. I see a lot harsher repercussions to this than simply a lack of seafood in the future (like there not being a future to enjoy!).

kriz
Nov 21st, 2006, 03:35 AM
It's intresting, as times goes by, I see more and more evidence that the vegan way is the right way to go.

RedWellies
Nov 28th, 2006, 10:41 PM
I was talking about this with some friends the other day. How can we get others to stop this catastrophe? Some people just don't care about the fish, or the mammals and birds that depend on them. Unfortunately, I think these people need a reason that affects them or future generations directly. What can we say to those people?

aubergine
Nov 29th, 2006, 01:05 PM
What can we say to those people?

Some people need to hear how it affects them. The depletion of fish populations is not good for anyone, and you have to remember some people will never attribute animals with any rights.

RedWellies
Nov 29th, 2006, 02:48 PM
:confused: Yes, that's what I was saying. But how does it affect these people (other than some dodgy algae on beaches (which can be avoided),or the impact on tourism (which won't affect that many))?

howdawg
Nov 29th, 2006, 02:50 PM
How about tell them 'Your children will never know many of the wonders of this world if WE do not take responsibility for our actions right now.'

herbwormwood
Nov 29th, 2006, 04:23 PM
Only 50 years left' for sea fish




More. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6108414.stm)


http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42269000/gif/_42269000_seafd_global_loss203gr.gif

I see the graph entitled "loss of seafood species"
Does that include sea weed? I eat a lot of seaweed, all imported as I don't have a local source. I am worried abou the possible pollution in it, could it be bad for me to eat a lot? I eat it most days. Surely harvesting of seaweed could be a sustainable alternative for fishing communities, as seaweed is better from clean seas?

aubergine
Nov 30th, 2006, 11:17 AM
And if you remove part of the natural food chain other species and the health of the sea itself are affected.

howdawg
Dec 6th, 2006, 09:07 PM
I don't know if I just missed this the first time around, or if it's been added, but blah! Read this one


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6045388.stm

Makes me sick

Roxy
Dec 6th, 2006, 10:12 PM
Argh! It's frustrating! How bout we vote with our wallets and DON'T BUY ANY FISH AT ALL!!! Now there's an idea :rolleyes:

howdawg
Dec 6th, 2006, 10:14 PM
:D

Roxy
Dec 6th, 2006, 10:15 PM
LOL And you know the tone I just said that in, don't you! :D

hiddenfromview
Sep 22nd, 2008, 11:01 PM
The funny thing about this is that omega 3 is not naturally found in fish, it comes from the algae in their diet, so really, omega 3 in fish is not a first hand source..

emzy1985
Sep 23rd, 2008, 05:05 AM
Yeah we know that, but the omnis are so convinced everything they need comes from animals! :confused::mad: (Including in one dumbshits case who I came across...vitamin C!!!!)

Mahk
Dec 12th, 2008, 03:24 AM
Since this article is 2 years old, only 48 years until the end of the earth.

Just kidding. This whole news story sounds fishy to me.;)

eco
Dec 12th, 2008, 09:26 AM
This is from the latest 'The Week' magazine.


Not so long ago, it was being hailed as an environmentally sensible way of eating white fish - a sustainable replacement for endangered cod. But now, it seems that even stocks of pollock, which is widely used in fish fingers, as well as in McDonalds fish meals, are in danger of collapsing. The US authorities have recommended an 18% reduction in next years catch in the eastern Bering Sea, which is one of the main fishing areas for US pollock fleets, but Greenpeace reckons it's not enough to avert catastrophe. "We are on the cusp of one of the largest fishery collapses in history," warned it's oceans campaign director John Hocevar, though he reckons the pollock stocks can be saved, if the quota is slashed further.

This was bound to happen...