low sperm count

[SandraD]

I was reading that page about soy being bad, that crossbow posted. It got me to thinking about something I heard quite sometime ago. Well first of all, part of the soy article said that men have lower sperm counts when they drink soy. I don't know if this is true or not, I HOPE not! But a long time ago, I heard that men are getting lower sperm counts because of women on birth control. That the estrogens/progesterones and whatever else comes out in urine. Eventually makes it's way into the drinking water (process of transpiration and all). Even though water is cleaned, these hormones linger. I also do not know how true this is, I can't even remember where I heard/read it. Anyone know about this? Or the soy theory?

[thecatspajamas1]

I haven't heard about the low sperm count, but I have heard about hormones from women taking birth control getting into the water and fish being deformed from it.

[aubergine]

I was reading that page about soy being bad, that crossbow posted.

That'll be the same crossbow that posted they were giving up Veganism because they'd found a 'good' dairy farm! :eek:

[VeganMata]

i have some soy links.. ill dig them up and post them for you. its hard to find real info on soy b/c a lot of it is indeed put out by meat and dairy ppl sadly. so i at first denied the ehalth hazards of soy simply b/c i thought the meat and dairy industry were trying to get ppl to come back to them. but then i did my own research and learned alot. im pretty much at the conclusion of "too much of ANY 'ggod' thing is a bad thing" and my babies dont NEED soy to survive so they will be kept away from it as long as possible... ok sorry i went way off topic huh? sorry about that.
i have heard something similar to what you were saying about birth control though,too.

[sandra]

Yes, like Sam says I wouldn't worry too much about what Crossbow had to say.

[Chocs4me]

Well, a couple i know had been trying to concieve for about 6 years and it was to do with the mans low sperm count, after 2 unsuccessful IVF attempts they went to an alternative practitioner and he adviced them on a new diet - part of which was cutting out all dairy and i know they replaced it with soy and rice milk and other soy alternatives and within 6mths they got pregnant!! It truly was a miracle!! :)

I actually found this really reasurring as i had been a bit worried about the addition of soy stuff to our diets when i went vegan!

[whalespace]

I learned from somewhere that soya was 'high' in eostrogenic substances [that act like eostrogen].
Does eostrogen affect sperm count?
Many bio molecules are denatured [ twisted and scrambled ] by heat, and then face digestion when taken orally.
I would search on dose, and the state of proposed active agent after various processing treatments.
I also learned that the more body fat a man has, the more eostrogen he has 'stored' there.

[Smoothie]

i think mostly, mens low sperm count, is from all of the plastic - which have loads and loads of hormones! especially eostrogen and the alikes. I really don't think it has anything to do with soy - then people shouldn't drink milk and eat meat anyway, since most animals are fed soy - A LOT OF IT.

[xrodolfox]

We were on multiple forms of birth control, and we still couldn't avoid getting pregnant.

That's from two vegans who eat lots of soy.

If you want to get pregnant, go vegan. If you want to be sterile, go omnivore. (Ok, hyperbole, but the only sterile people I know are omnivores, and all the vegans happen to be too fertile for their own good)

[gogs67]

CHICAGO (Reuters) - Eating a half serving a day of soy-based foods could be enough to significantly lower a man's sperm count, U.S. researchers said on Wednesday.


The study is the largest in humans to look at the relationship between semen quality and a plant form of the female sex hormone estrogen known as phytoestrogen, which is plentiful in soy-rich foods.

"What we found was men that consume the highest amounts of soy foods in this study had a lower sperm concentration compared to those who did not consume soy foods," said Dr. Jorge Chavarro of the Harvard School of Public Health in Boston, whose study appears in the journal Human Reproduction.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080723/tsc-uk-infertility-soy-011ccfa.html

[seitan]

i hope this is true, and that more people start eating soya!!!

[Maisiepaisie]

^^ Yeah thats what I was thinking too :thumbsup:

[seitan]

^^ Yeah thats what I was thinking too :thumbsup:

back at ya :thumbsup:

[phloxy]

A lot of meat products and other processed omnivore foods have soy in them, so this is certainly not a drawback of a vegan diet by any stretch. Fast food and a lot of the garbage that most Americans eat (Lean Cuisine and other abominations) is loaded with soy because it's cheaper (esp the genetically modified crops), making it a cost-effective filler.

Also, no one seemed to be screaming about soy until it started cutting into profits for the dairy industry...

[puffin]

While i think the world would be a better place without so many people reproducing i dont think infertility is something to rejoice about. I believe people shouldnt have endless amounts of children but be able to at least have one if they want to that is. So many couples got through so much heartache trying to conceive, i just think it is sad.

[gogs67]

While i think the world would be a better place without so many people reproducing i dont think infertility is something to rejoice about. I believe people shouldnt have endless amounts of children but be able to at least have one if they want to that is. So many couples got through so much heartache trying to conceive, i just think it is sad.

I would think this 'story' needs a bit more research. The part where a high soya intake AND obesity produces a low sperm count may be the most accurate part.
Just look at China over the centuries, a very high soy intake, low obesity and high childbirth rates!

[seitan]

While i think the world would be a better place without so many people reproducing i dont think infertility is something to rejoice about. I believe people shouldnt have endless amounts of children but be able to at least have one if they want to that is. So many couples got through so much heartache trying to conceive, i just think it is sad.

the problem for me is, one turns in to 2 or 3, those then have 2 or 3 and it goes on and on until, global warming starts beign an issue as theres too many humans in this world.

the sad thing is how people feel they have to have kids, they have to conform, that is the sad thing.

[puffin]

I dont think it is conforming, it is a natural desire. I didnt have kids because i felt i was missing out on what someone else had.
I just think everyone should have the choice, but should be responsible.

[seitan]

I dont think it is conforming, it is a natural desire. I didnt have kids because i felt i was missing out on what someone else had.
I just think everyone should have the choice, but should be responsible.

im not gonna get in to a big fight here over this subject, but ithink its quite clear what i think about breeding :)

[sandra]

the problem for me is, one turns in to 2 or 3, those then have 2 or 3 and it goes on and on until, global warming starts beign an issue as theres too many humans in this world.

the sad thing is how people feel they have to have kids, they have to conform, that is the sad thing.

I don't think having 2 or 3 children is excessive.........maybe more than 3 is too many.
If I hadn't had my 2 children the world would be less 2 great vegan people! :)
My children have been responsible for other people becoming veggie and vegan so I believe they are a positive influence on this world.

There have been scare stories for decades about the world being overpopulated. I remember being in school and hearing about the population explosion.
I don't think it's so much to do with how many people there are on the earth but more to do with what way those people are treating the earth. :)

[puffin]

im not gonna get in to a big fight here over this subject, but ithink its quite clear what i think about breeding :)

*gets gloves on* ;)

[whalespace]

I heard from a medical programme that [in humans] 'sperm' is more likely to fertilize ova if the male does not 'release' his sperm for about nine days before the impregnation attempt.

[seitan]

I don't think having 2 or 3 children is excessive.........maybe more than 3 is too many.
If I hadn't had my 2 children the world would be less 2 great vegan people! My children have been responsible for other people becoming veggie and vegan so I believe they are a positive influence on this world.:)

thats awesome your kids are vegan, and i hope they stay vegan, because its not definate all kids bougth up vegan wiwl lstay that way. to me, its a risk, a gamble you are taking. id HATE to have had kids, to see one day theyre responsible for animal deaths. that would be MY responsibility.





There have been scare stories for decades about the world being overpopulated. I remember being in school and hearing about the population explosion.
I don't think it's so much to do with how many people there are on the earth but more to do with what way those people are treating the earth. :)

the more people there are, the more the earth is destroyed. even as vegans, we live a footprint whihc is un-acceptable.
dont forget, im the mysanthrope ;)

[Maisiepaisie]

thats awesome your kids are vegan, and i hope they stay vegan, because its not definate all kids bougth up vegan wiwl lstay that way. to me, its a risk, a gamble you are taking. id HATE to have had kids, to see one day theyre responsible for animal deaths. that would be MY responsibility.
I feel the same Seitan. I'd love to have another kid but that would be my reason not too. I've 2 boys, 1 veggie and one vegan. The veggie one is already dating omnis and wants to have kids someday so its looking like I'll have omni Grandchildren. That will be difficult for me to accept :sad:

[seitan]

I feel the same Seitan. I'd love to have another kid but that would be my reason not too. I've 2 boys, 1 veggie and one vegan. The veggie one is already dating omnis and wants to have kids someday so its looking like I'll have omni Grandchildren. That will be difficult for me to accept :sad:

i sympathise with you. ive got no kids and ive had the snip, so, child free it is :)