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St George
Jul 25th, 2004, 12:19 AM
Hi. As anyone who has read my previous couple of posts will know,i am currently in the process of becoming vegan.
To do that, i need all the info that i can get!
Excuse my ignorance,but what is the objection to the use of wool and silk? I am not asking that question because i think it is ok to use silk and wool,i just want to know what the official vegan standpoint is against it.

Also,as an add-on,what about honey? Is it simply because it is an animal product? Or is there specific cruelty involved?

Cheers:)

TheFirstBus
Jul 25th, 2004, 12:31 AM
Everytime silk is obtained it is at the expense of a silkworm, who are boiled in the caccon to obtain the unborken silk. But wool sheep are not treated very well while shearing as time is a factor, they can often be cut while being sheared, while some will argue that shearing is doing a favor to the sheeep it has been shown that an unshaven sheep will grow just enough whool for his little wooly body that and I think they begin shearing at a very young age. Some people have debated wether insects are involved in our compasion for the animal kingdom, I myself don't much enjoy bugs at all though I see no reason to kill the poor things when there are other ways to deal with them. In a honey farm the queen bees wings are sometime clipped not to mention when a farmer has to remove the honey he must remove the bess and can crush quite a few of them in the process. So there it is, you may want to look up more on silk considering thats just a peice of it I looked up right now just for you:). So there are your reasons.

St George
Jul 25th, 2004, 12:36 AM
TheFirstBus,i thank you;)

I most certainly shall look up more on the subject.

Thanks.

TheFirstBus
Jul 25th, 2004, 12:38 AM
No problem

Veganmama
Jul 25th, 2004, 12:57 AM
Hi St George :)

If you look at Indian Vegans siite he has some pics of silk making http://www.indianvegan.com

eve
Jul 25th, 2004, 04:57 AM
Honey info: http://www.vegansociety.com/html/animals/exploitation/bees.php

eve
Jul 25th, 2004, 04:59 AM
Wool: http://www.vegansociety.com/search/search.cgi?Terms=wool&Realm=www.vegansociety.com

eve
Jul 25th, 2004, 05:00 AM
Silk: http://www.vegansociety.com/search/search.cgi?Terms=silk&Realm=www.vegansociety.com

gertvegan
Jul 26th, 2004, 04:27 PM
St George, check out www.woolisbaad.com , http://www.vegsource.com/jo/qa/qasilk.htm for your silk query, and http://www.vegsource.com/jo/qa/qahoney.htm for the honey query.

indianvegan
Jul 27th, 2004, 02:57 PM
Silk is very cruel product. I have seen with my own eyes, Steam bath of Silk Worms, after that they put them for boiling, the silk manufacturing in my city here. Silk is very common in Indian Women's dresses,Neck Tie,Mens'Shirts,Lingerie,Curtain,Sofa Covers, Bed Covers,Linen .

I have recorded a video film on total Silk Manufacturing.However you can see some of pictures on my site as well.

Manish

indianvegan
Jul 27th, 2004, 03:09 PM
Wool is very cruel product too:-

Recently , i been to a Angora breeding Farm house at Kullu(Himachal Pradesh) in India. I could find pains and fear in the eyes of Rabits inside cages. There were thousands white angora Rabits inside cages. They take birth inside cages and they do inside cages.They have no room for their own life. They are feeded like that in every 70 days their hair are plucked from them.They are so soft and delicate that slight pressure on their body or neck area can kill them. Farm owners really suck them to any extent.
Farm owner told me while talking to him,"without human intervention they would not have excess hair on their body.

any one of you need pictures of breeding farm can contact me.

Manish

korova
Aug 1st, 2004, 03:51 PM
i view them as exploitation of animals, and so don't use/wear wool or silk.

gertvegan
Oct 3rd, 2004, 01:27 PM
What's Wrong with Wool? by Joanne Stepaniak, HERE. (http://www.vegsource.com/jo/qa/qawool.htm)

Is Silk Vegan? by Joanne Stepaniak, HERE. (http://www.vegsource.com/jo/qa/qasilk.htm)

ps I ought be on commission for all these links to her site.

indianvegan
Oct 4th, 2004, 04:50 AM
Here you can see images of one Silk Manufacturing unit. Silk is not Vegan.
http://www.indianvegan.com/Silk.htm

Manish

eve
Oct 4th, 2004, 07:59 AM
gertvegan, your links to Stepaniak are great. Yes you deserve commission! :)

Geoff
Oct 15th, 2004, 12:13 AM
On Australian TV show 'Sunrise' this morning presenter David Koch referred to PETA as being 'crackpots damaging our wool industry' because of their campaign against the horrific practice of mulesing.:mad:
Please let him know (sunrise@seven.com.au) why caring people would want mulesing abolished.
Thank you

Liberate
Oct 15th, 2004, 04:35 AM
Does anyone know anything about this? I came in to see the end of the story on the news!

TheFirstBus
Oct 15th, 2004, 06:47 AM
Though I don't support PETA I don't support the wool industry either. I have snet an email.

Roxy
Oct 15th, 2004, 06:59 AM
I wonder what how bad a "crackpot" this David Koch would turn into, if we took a pair of blunt shears to his buttocks and sliced a nice crescent shaped piece of flesh off without giving him any anesthetic first. Then while we were at it we could castrate him as well. We could either just cut his scrotum off or we could apply a tight rubber ring so that his testes eventually drop off.

This is sadly how Australian sheep are treated. I wonder if this dickhead TV presenter knows this! If PETA are damaging the wool industry in Australia then I for one, am glad! What gives us humans the right to conduct such abhorent practices on those poor sheep. It makes me so sad and angry I don't know weather I want to cry or scream! That David Koch sounds like a right F*kin Idiot!

Liberate
Oct 15th, 2004, 10:26 AM
Thank you!

Geoff
Oct 15th, 2004, 12:35 PM
It's good to see that you haven't lost your command of the Aus. idiom Roxy! :)
Your assessment of David Koch is pretty right. I'll see if I can get a home address for him and send some info on mulesing.
Actually, mulesing doesn't sound so bad as one of the farmers representatives said it was 'just like going to the dentist' and that the farmers did it because they care about their animals. Yeah, right.

eve
Oct 18th, 2004, 08:07 AM
The Australian RSPCA has distanced itself from a campaign against Australian wool being run by PETA. The group has pressured major American retailer Abercrombie and Fitch to boycott Aussie wool in its 749 US shops. RSPCA national president Dr Hugh Wirth says radical and extreme animal rights groups set back the work of his organisation.

"Well you can't sit down with animal rights people, ... they're irrational ... they claim to occupy the high moral ground. "And therefore, it is all or nothing in their view. There is no compromise position that is acceptable and if you give in to them once, you have to continue giving into them."

Dr Wirth says the RSPCA supports a modified mulesing practice, where the wool is left on the sheep's tail, where alternatives aren't available. Meanwhile, the South Australian Farmers Federation says producers would stop the practice of mulesing to prevent fly blown sheep if an alternative was found. Their president John Lush says until better methods of preventing fly strike are found, the practice will continue.

Liberate
Oct 18th, 2004, 08:44 PM
Thank you for that! After i posted this thread i actually went and spoke to some friends and they explained everything

Geoff
Nov 9th, 2004, 04:27 AM
I just heard that Aus wool growers have decided to stop the mulesing of sheep in the hope that the PETA / Abercrombie & Fitch ban will be lifted.
Unfortunately mulesing will continue for some years under their proposal.
I say stop it NOW - there are alternatives.

veganblue
Nov 9th, 2004, 05:07 AM
Report in ABC news (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200411/s1237505.htm) ABC in Australia that is :)

This is a great development. It is concerning that if the phase out is possible by 2010 why the head of the RSPCA and WISPA declared that mulesing was a necessary part of keeping sheep. One would have hoped that the RSPCA could at least have spoken out about it with a strong voice. It seems again that it is hobbled or compromised when it comes to protecting non-companion animals.