"wild fish"

[Abascas]

so i've been having conversations with my parrents, and i think i'm actually having possitive affects on them to perhaps make them stop eating meat and whatnot. but my mother has this thing with fish, and i'm pretty sure that it's all just a myth like all the "free range" cows. she feels that fish are better some how, and she is one of those that uses all the wierd fish oils and whatnot as well. so i was wondering if someone could direct me to a place where i could

1) learn what the fact about "wild" fish is

2) any other information on the fish farming to make my mother see it's just as bad as the cows and chicken farming, as the fish arn't mentioned in films like meet your meat and what not.

thanks in advance : )

[BlackDog]

Paul Watson had something to say about it I think:
http://veganforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14879&highlight=paul+watson

I'm sure if you google 'fish farm' you'll find a lot of stuff.

[Abascas]

if i google fish farms i don't get the answer to my question. my mother is finally starting to become vegetarian, after only a year of me and my veganism, but she has this view in her head that the fish she eats arn't tortured like all the other ones, and that it's not a horrible injustice because she buys "wild" fish. and i want to be able to show documentation saying this is BS as i'm sure it is just more propaganda they put out like they do for cows and free range.

[BlackDog]

Both long line fishing and trawling are hugely damaging for the environment. Both the catch and the 'bycatch' albatross, turtles etc., suffer horribly.

[fiamma]

Have a look at the PETA site Fishing Hurts (http://www.fishinghurts.com/fishFarms.asp)...

[harpy]

Another link for you: http://www.vegsoc.org/fish/index.html

Both wild and farmed fish are covered.

[Korn]

Hi Abascas,

most of the info in the Vegans and fish (http://www.veganforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2768) thread applies to 'wild fish'...


In short: wild fish obviously don't want to become our food, they feel pain, they are small so one would need to kill a lot of fish to get as much 'food' as by killing a large animal, and they are killed using methods that never would have allowed for factory farms.

Plus - of course: we don't need to kill and eat any fish to get the nutrients we need!

[BlackDog]

There's an article in the current British Journal of Psychiatry on the prention of dementia which was widely reported in the media here yesterday.
They mentioned seafood in one report so I looked up the journal and found this:
Dietary regulation and supplementation could also be reasonably expected to play a part in providing the chemical substrates necessary to improve neurovascular function. Increased HDL and decreased LDL concentrations and marine omega-3 polyunsaturated fatty acid consumption are associated with better cardiovascular and cognitive function (Kalmijn et al, 2004 (http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/full/190/5/371?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=possibilities+for+the+prevention&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=HWCIT#REF17#REF17)).

Does anyone (Korn?) know if there's any difference between marine and veg Omega 3?

[harpy]

I can't remember details now but I think supplements derived from marine algae are meant to be able to supply at least some of what's in fish. There was an earlier thread about it here:

http://www.veganforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9872

[BlackDog]

Thanks harpy. :)

[horselesspaul]

"Wild? I was absolutely livid...."

[Veganne]

Ah! It's like my worst nightmare...

Fish was acutally the first thing I ever stopped eating.

1) "Wild" fish is exactly what it sounds like. They live freely, and with almost no "human impact", that is, until the day they die.

2) Well, I can't give you any links. But the Monterey Bay Aquarium has a WONDERFUL seafood watch card. Acutally, I don't even know why people eat fish, but if your mom is "vegetarian" and has to eat fish, choose wisely. Like some kid said above, trawling and netting isn't good at all. Especially with the flounders and halibuts, and dolphins.

=( Fish eaters make me really sad. Ahhh, especially shark fin soup.

*Clears throat* Most sharks have 8 fins. 2 dorsal, 2 pecs, 2 pelvic, 1 anal, and 1 claudal. When a sharkman comes along, they fish up the shark and slice off the fins.......while the shark is alive...and then, people toss them overboard. And since no fish on Earth can survive without their fins, the shark liver stops working and they sink to the bottom, where they die. And people who eat shark fin soup, IMO, are stupid, because pretty much everything they are consuming is shark pee. They have to store it in their cartilage to help with the buoyancy.

[emzy1985]

I heard that the omega 3 in fish are the two which are non-essential and the one found in flax is the essential one (ie your body cannot make it on it's own)

[harpy]

I think that's about right, emzy, only there is a question about how efficient the body is at converting the oils found in flax etc to get the other one(s), hence the algae-based products. If you look on this page http://www.water4.net in the bottom left hand corner there is a link to a page discussing the limitations of flax.

This thread has reminded me to take my algae capsules for the first time in months :o

[RossClement]

Some weeks ago I had some fish attempt to eat me!