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walnut
Mar 3rd, 2008, 11:29 PM
http://www.vnv.org.au/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=48&Itemid=59

"Why be Vegan?
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It is obvious to many meat eaters why most people become vegetarian, i.e. they don't want animals to be killed to provide them with their food. But many people canít understand why anyone would become vegan: "Animals aren't harmed or killed in the production of eggs or milk so what's the issue? It's too extreme and you're just being difficult/petty. Being vegetarian is bad enough, why be so restrictive in your diet and miss out on all these yummy foods..."
For those who are not sure, a vegan excludes all animal products from their diet. The vegan diet comprises vegetables, vegetable oils, cereals, legumes (beans), nuts, fruit and seeds. This is not as "boring" as it sounds due to the wide range of meat alternatives, non-dairy milks, soy-based yogurts and ice-creams, biscuits, chocolates etc. available that are completely free of animal products. (For more information refer to our Great Vegetarian & Vegan Products (http://www.vnv.org.au/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=65&Itemid=78) page.) Most vegans also exclude animal products from their entire lifestyle (e.g. wool, leather, soaps that contain animal fats, products tested on animals etc.).
As we all know, everyone has their own views, opinions, thoughts and concerns about different issues, including diet and lifestyle. People therefore become vegan for different reasons. But to generalise, some people are vegan for health reasons, some for animal welfare or ethical reasons, and others for a combination of these reasons."

Korn
Mar 3rd, 2008, 11:37 PM
some people are vegan for health reasons
Some people eat vegan food for health reasons, they don't avoid leather for health reasons, and - and this is relevant to this thread - they don't avoid only certain types of meat. I guess the reason VNV get this wrong is that it's a vegetarian, and not a vegan site.


As we all know, everyone has their own views, opinions, thoughts and concerns about different issues This is the kind of mentality that is the reason that so many vegetarians who order vegetarian food is asked "But you do eat chicken, don't you?". People can have all the opinions about what they want, but it doesn't make sense to start to use the word 'red' for 'green' - it only blocks communication.

veganlinda
Mar 28th, 2008, 02:45 PM
http://www.vnv.org.au/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=48&Itemid=59

"Why be Vegan?

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..... As we all know, everyone has their own views, opinions, thoughts and concerns about different issues, including diet and lifestyle. People therefore become vegan for different reasons. But to generalise, some people are vegan for health reasons, some for animal welfare or ethical reasons, and others for a combination of these reasons."


A shame they weren't more specific about the animal welfare or ethical reasons as it seemed to vaguely suggest we were all just picky people ... unless of course the article was heavily edited.

BTW nice one Korn.

emmy
Mar 30th, 2008, 06:43 PM
This moron is lucky he got you replying to his idiotic PMs and not me!
Blimey.
How on earth is it OK to think meat-eating is OK if you're vegan?! LOL.
Dear oh dear...

journey
Apr 4th, 2008, 04:24 PM
Korn, please keep doing what you do - you do it so well. You were more patient on this one than I'd have been...

I hope you always keep this forum moderated in the way you have - it's nice to have a vegan site where we can talk with each other, ask advice, vent, learn from other people who really are vegan, etc without having to argue about what the problem is with eating eggs, wearing wool, etc.

There's plenty of vegetarian and other sites out there where people can have those discussions, and some of those sites can be useful in helping to educate vegetarians and potential vegans. But it's really nice that you're keeping the purpose of this site as what you have defined it.

We need a place where we don't have to defend veganism. This site serves that purpose well.

Korn
Apr 27th, 2008, 08:40 PM
We had a another new member this week who claimed to be a vegan but couldn't see anything wrong in using cheese or milk - if it was organic - is if vegan was mainly about the organic-ness of products, and not mainly about using animal products in general. I'll probably just point him/her to this thread, because I'm going to spend as much time with people who defend using animal products and claim to be vegan as I did in the case I described in the first post in this thread!

A while ago, some also stated that nothing was wrong with killing animals and eating meat, as long as the meat was organic. Unfortunately, it seems that we're not there yet where everybody knows what being vegan is about...

cobweb
Apr 27th, 2008, 09:02 PM
it does amaze me that people join (or even look for) a vegan forum if they don't even know what 'vegan' means. I think you're quite right just to point them here, Korn.

Korn
Apr 27th, 2008, 09:18 PM
Well... they could be trolls look for a heated debate, for instance by saying that they are vegans but can't see anything wrong with using organic animal products, in the sense that they don't use these products themselves, but still are vegans.

But: a vegan is a person who avoids animal products for an ethical reason, not just someone who avoid animal products 'because they aren't vegan since they are animal products'. I almost asked the person I just mentioned why he don't use organic milk/cheese if he doesn't see anything wrong with it, but luckily I didn't do it.

If people want to troll stir up a discussion or defend use of animal products here, they may think that this is possible if they at the same time claim that they are vegans... but it isn't!

Asking questions is totally fine, but since this is a site for vegans, we just don't need any longwinded arguments discussing why we think using milk or meat is wrong - organic or not - and we have threads like Arguments against dairy products (http://www.veganforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3737) already...