Korn
Feb 23rd, 2008, 08:54 AM
Hi everybody,
you may not have noticed this, but we had a 'disgusted' (new) member here not long ago. I normally don't do this, and won't tell you who it was, but only to avoid to have to spend time on similar situations in the future, I'll post my last post to this person below. I believe and truly hope that you understand how moderators and admins on a site like this need to prioritize their daily tasks - this was sixth followup post I sent him/her...
Re: I really can't believe you just left
Since I was trying to clarify my non-extensive statement, you could have at least had the respect (you mention respect a lot in the FAQ) to let me know you would be returning, instead of just leaving.
No, I couldn't - because I was way over my schedule, and again: my life is centered around what I find most important, not around the odd member who wants to change the board rules and want top, emergency priority and complains that I can't follow up on his complaints in less than 20 minutes.
I don't even have time to explain people why I can't let go of everything else and give them top priority. If I should have done that, the first thing I should have done yesterday would be to tell OTHERS why I spent time on you instead of on them. I simply can't commit myself to the follow-up you demand, or promise each member of this forum that I'll always give them top priority or at all times explain why I cant give them top priority. Again - I and a few other mods run this site in our spare time, for free.
Are you sure you think this is hard to understand - especially after you started to defend the idea of killing and eating animals? Normally, we simply just ban people who do this, and will have to continue to do this. And - trust me - to claim that you defend eating meat AND are a vegan doesn't help at all.
There is nothing wrong with someone eating animals if they are doing it in an educated fashion while still trying to eliminate the bad aspects of farming (battery cages, etc.).
This is a vegan forum, and I'm not interested in spending time here, on this site, hearing about why people don't think it's wrong to kill and eat animals under the circumstances you describe. A main reason for starting this site is to offer a place where people who disagree in such statements can communicate with each other without being interrupted by people who for some reason want to defend/justify eating meat, in an 'educated fashion' or not, amongst vegans.
It detracts from the vegan movement by having people continually try to force their opinions down peoples throats.
Sure, but if you eat and kill an animal in an 'educated fashion', the animal won't even have a throat. Who is forcing whom then? Since this is a vegan forum, we don't force these opinions down someone's throats here, because we are all against eating animals. What we don't want, is that people who disagree with the very core of 'the vegan message' - namely that we don't think it's right to kill or eat animals, log in here and 'force their opinions down our throats' after having agreed in our rules - who clearly describe that this is something we don't want.
IMO this is far worse than me thinking someone who compassionately eats meat is still a compassionate person.
That's a very good example of why I changed your account type to 'Not Currently A Vegan'....
I think it is regrettable that I can't voice my opinion about this. You can voice your opinion as much as you want, but not on a forum for vegans only, because your viewpoints are not vegan. Plus - wouldn't it be better for everyone if you rather registered at a non-vegan forum and voiced your opinions about why you support the vegan viewpoints you actually agree in?
...you should at least be able to discuss the decisions you make.
This is my last post, but isn't it odd that while I have been discussing your complaints with you in five posts already - within a time span of three hours, you complain that I don't respond fast enough and tell me that "I should at least be able to to discuss the decisions I make"? You have gotten more immediate 'support' than most people get when they actually pay for support!
Plus, since I cant always answer the PMs I get immediately, I prioritize posts from people who are vegans and who generally like the idea that we don't want anti-vegan 'propaganda' here. You have attacked me in PMs, posted in the public area about how you dislike our moderation, and even used your profile to post how 'disgusted' you are with how I moderate the site. You are even telling me that "I really can't believe you just left' after 20 minutes (when I left the forum for other things I needed to do yesterday).
All this (please see our FAQ again), combined with your viewpoints on eating meat means that you'll not get a normal member status here. If you ever get involved with running a forum with thousands of members and three and a half moderator, you'll hopefully understand me.
Happy journey.
Best,
K.
you may not have noticed this, but we had a 'disgusted' (new) member here not long ago. I normally don't do this, and won't tell you who it was, but only to avoid to have to spend time on similar situations in the future, I'll post my last post to this person below. I believe and truly hope that you understand how moderators and admins on a site like this need to prioritize their daily tasks - this was sixth followup post I sent him/her...
Re: I really can't believe you just left
Since I was trying to clarify my non-extensive statement, you could have at least had the respect (you mention respect a lot in the FAQ) to let me know you would be returning, instead of just leaving.
No, I couldn't - because I was way over my schedule, and again: my life is centered around what I find most important, not around the odd member who wants to change the board rules and want top, emergency priority and complains that I can't follow up on his complaints in less than 20 minutes.
I don't even have time to explain people why I can't let go of everything else and give them top priority. If I should have done that, the first thing I should have done yesterday would be to tell OTHERS why I spent time on you instead of on them. I simply can't commit myself to the follow-up you demand, or promise each member of this forum that I'll always give them top priority or at all times explain why I cant give them top priority. Again - I and a few other mods run this site in our spare time, for free.
Are you sure you think this is hard to understand - especially after you started to defend the idea of killing and eating animals? Normally, we simply just ban people who do this, and will have to continue to do this. And - trust me - to claim that you defend eating meat AND are a vegan doesn't help at all.
There is nothing wrong with someone eating animals if they are doing it in an educated fashion while still trying to eliminate the bad aspects of farming (battery cages, etc.).
This is a vegan forum, and I'm not interested in spending time here, on this site, hearing about why people don't think it's wrong to kill and eat animals under the circumstances you describe. A main reason for starting this site is to offer a place where people who disagree in such statements can communicate with each other without being interrupted by people who for some reason want to defend/justify eating meat, in an 'educated fashion' or not, amongst vegans.
It detracts from the vegan movement by having people continually try to force their opinions down peoples throats.
Sure, but if you eat and kill an animal in an 'educated fashion', the animal won't even have a throat. Who is forcing whom then? Since this is a vegan forum, we don't force these opinions down someone's throats here, because we are all against eating animals. What we don't want, is that people who disagree with the very core of 'the vegan message' - namely that we don't think it's right to kill or eat animals, log in here and 'force their opinions down our throats' after having agreed in our rules - who clearly describe that this is something we don't want.
IMO this is far worse than me thinking someone who compassionately eats meat is still a compassionate person.
That's a very good example of why I changed your account type to 'Not Currently A Vegan'....
I think it is regrettable that I can't voice my opinion about this. You can voice your opinion as much as you want, but not on a forum for vegans only, because your viewpoints are not vegan. Plus - wouldn't it be better for everyone if you rather registered at a non-vegan forum and voiced your opinions about why you support the vegan viewpoints you actually agree in?
...you should at least be able to discuss the decisions you make.
This is my last post, but isn't it odd that while I have been discussing your complaints with you in five posts already - within a time span of three hours, you complain that I don't respond fast enough and tell me that "I should at least be able to to discuss the decisions I make"? You have gotten more immediate 'support' than most people get when they actually pay for support!
Plus, since I cant always answer the PMs I get immediately, I prioritize posts from people who are vegans and who generally like the idea that we don't want anti-vegan 'propaganda' here. You have attacked me in PMs, posted in the public area about how you dislike our moderation, and even used your profile to post how 'disgusted' you are with how I moderate the site. You are even telling me that "I really can't believe you just left' after 20 minutes (when I left the forum for other things I needed to do yesterday).
All this (please see our FAQ again), combined with your viewpoints on eating meat means that you'll not get a normal member status here. If you ever get involved with running a forum with thousands of members and three and a half moderator, you'll hopefully understand me.
Happy journey.
Best,
K.