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Sealpup
Apr 15th, 2008, 03:39 AM
I'm a fairly new vegan and am struggling with the issue of shoes. What kind of shoes do most vegans wear? I work in an office environment. Where do you get shoes that are vegan and provide support and comfort?

~Sealpup

Haniska
Apr 15th, 2008, 04:21 AM
oh the scarf does sound nice sentimental stuff i dont think i could get rid of but i would wear it either.

yeah shoes would be hard to find if you need a special kind. i find my problem with shoes is i can hardly find my size any more most places have stoppted supplying size 5 it sucks its like they think people dont have small feet anymore :( and they were usaully cheap and no leather


The lady I work for wears size 5 1/2 EE! That is hard to find! Every 3 months on ebay I get a notice that there is something, usually made of ostrich. You should have more luck though since you don't need double wides. check out ebay :)

As far as drawing the line, I eat white sugar *in things* though I buy raw sugar to keep in the house and use in recipes. Not eating canned spaghetti sauce or sushi seems to extreme to me to cut off sugar. I have gelatine capsules..haven't had the guts to talk to my pharmacist. My dog eats packaged vegan dog-food but I keep my mouth shut when she is offered non-vegan foods. I drive and I have had occasion to kill ticks and fleas. The way I see it, everything else is really unnecessary. I don't need to eat meat or cheese etc, but I do think it is important for me and my fiance to eat out together, which we enjoy, and for me not to look like a freak asking is there sugar in the spaghetti sauce. I don't Always ask about the bread etc at certain places. I figure(my only agreement with Peta) that it is better that people see me enjoying good food as a vegan than for me to eat iceberg lettuce for dinner, thereby avoiding 1/8 teaspoon of whey or something. I don't like it, its one of many concessions I make, right up there with eating with people who eat meat or purchasing food for the people that I work for.

Roxy
Apr 15th, 2008, 04:43 AM
I think my sis and I are going to do a big donation of all our old things. But some of the main items I may need to keep until they wear (like my running shoes). What kinds of vegan shoes are there to work out in? Mine are Mizuno and I had no idea until recently there were even animal products in them.


I used to have a pair of Fila canvass shoes for work. They were pretty good and lasted well. I wear skate shoes now though.

gib
Apr 15th, 2008, 11:54 PM
My worst one is beer. I'll usually go for the one that i think is most likely to contain the least amount of animal, i won't even say which brand i'm drinking right now - if i stumble across the info that it ain't vegan then that's different.

Like Haniska said about the bread or pasta sauce: i'm not going out of my way to look like an awkward freak in social situations. We have to remember that these are still early days.

sugarmouse
Apr 16th, 2008, 12:18 AM
I have old leather things, though I dont wear/use them.
I would probably accept a leather gift in fact I did this xmas, a jewellry box from my father.My father and I are only just getting on after years of rift, and I wouldnt cause an argument over that.As it was, I passed on the gift to a non-vegan friend of mine.That way , it is gettin used, and I dont have to buy a gift therefore I am saving my money and not being wasteful.I dont liek to be wasteful.
I would never eat none vegan food..or buy anything I know to be none-animal friendly.
The longer you are vegan, the easier it gets.And i think the best you can do is live your life as cruelty free as possible, but accept you are ina non-vegan world and mistakes/blips/situations will happen.

DiaShel
Apr 16th, 2008, 12:31 AM
I'm glad I read this forum. Makes me feel better about not replacing my shoes, cosmetics, soaps, etc. I just can't afford to buy all new things and I don't see how throwing it out will help anything.
As for food I'm not making any exceptions. I've read it's best to go cold tofu (haha) and lose the taste for that stuff completely. If you just limit to special occasions or when someone gives you something then it's like a treat and you'll look forward to having it.

Kitteh
Apr 16th, 2008, 04:28 AM
I'm a fairly new vegan and am struggling with the issue of shoes. What kind of shoes do most vegans wear? I work in an office environment. Where do you get shoes that are vegan and provide support and comfort?

~Sealpup

It's a bit hard isn't it? Atleast you have quite a few outfitters in the USA (see links above). We have one in another state here and they can be quite expensive. But ordering from the US/UK will be exxy too.

I also have orthotics that I am meant to wear. At the moment the only time I have them in is when I wear my sneakers for the gym/cycling. During summer I wore flats/thongs and now that it's autumn I'm wearing a synthetic pair of black ballet flats... the glue used could have been non-vegan but I had to buy something asap last year when it was super cold and I haven't had the money to order from overseas and also I have to hope they'll fit when they arrive.

Roxy
Apr 16th, 2008, 04:35 AM
I'm glad I read this forum. Makes me feel better about not replacing my shoes, cosmetics, soaps, etc. I just can't afford to buy all new things and I don't see how throwing it out will help anything.
As for food I'm not making any exceptions. I've read it's best to go cold tofu (haha) and lose the taste for that stuff completely. If you just limit to special occasions or when someone gives you something then it's like a treat and you'll look forward to having it.


You go girl! :bigsmile:

DiaShel
Apr 16th, 2008, 11:21 PM
:D Thanks Roxy!

Wednesdaysgoth
Apr 18th, 2008, 11:15 AM
Hi,

I have had people give me chocolates and leather but I gave them away. I would not compromise my beliefs for anyone, as it's me doing this not them. If they are thoughtless and inconsideration, knowing you are vegan its their problem not yours.

pat sommer
Apr 20th, 2008, 02:20 AM
My sister is picking up a summer wardrobe for me in cool local second-hand (thrift) shops for my visit. I know that something will have a leather label or 20% silk or shell buttons, despite her checking.

I will wear what fits and anything non-vegan will be recycled back to the charity shops. It's all about what we can and can't live with; no one is keeping score.

Klytemnest
Apr 20th, 2008, 06:26 AM
I'm glad I read this forum. Makes me feel better about not replacing my shoes, cosmetics, soaps, etc. I just can't afford to buy all new things and I don't see how throwing it out will help anything.
As for food I'm not making any exceptions. I've read it's best to go cold tofu (haha) and lose the taste for that stuff completely. If you just limit to special occasions or when someone gives you something then it's like a treat and you'll look forward to having it.

I ahve not thrown out any of the stuff I bought before I became a vegan. I still wear my Aldo shoes. My vegan shoes are not as comfortable, so when I know I will have a lot of standing to do, I wear my Aldos. I still wear my pre-vegan belts. On rare occasions I will even put on my leather jacket. I really don't think my using these items does any harm. The harm was done when I paid for them all. I no longer buy non-vegan products. I recently bought some vegan shaving cream. It's fantastic! I can't wait to shave tomorrow. I like the soaps too. Yes, it can get pricey, but I think it is more important to spare the suffering of innocent animals than to save a few dollars.

I work at a Seventh-Day Adventist University. SDAs are already more receptive to the idea of vegetarianism, so I have been quite open about my veganism. I hope it will do some good.

matt35mm
Apr 20th, 2008, 06:36 AM
Hey I've been vegan a year and a half and I still don't own vegan shoes or belts. Yeah, my shoes are still the old ones from like 3 years ago. I'm pretty much gonna wear them until it's impossible to wear them any longer, then I'll go vegan-shoe shopping.

Jessicaisvegan
Apr 20th, 2008, 07:51 PM
if they're really your friends they wont be upset about your actions.
and respect what you say.

i would never eat non vegan ingredients under any circumstances.
in my opinion your not a true vegan if you do.

sugarmouse
Apr 20th, 2008, 09:38 PM
I ahve not thrown out any of the stuff I bought before I became a vegan. I still wear my Aldo shoes. My vegan shoes are not as comfortable, so when I know I will have a lot of standing to do, I wear my Aldos. I still wear my pre-vegan belts. On rare occasions I will even put on my leather jacket. I really don't think my using these items does any harm. The harm was done when I paid for them all.


I totally agree what harm does it do, with wearing old non vegan things however I still do not wear my old leahter clothes.
Not cause I think it is doing any harm.but because I dont want folk to look at me and
A)think im hypocritical or
B) think vegans are leather wearers!

xErasedCitizenx
Apr 20th, 2008, 10:27 PM
I wouldn't ever eat/wear something that was non-vegan. Anyone who'd get me a gift knows I'm vegan, and if I ever go to anyone's house for food I make sure they know beforehand what I can/can't eat and offer to bring my own food to share or give tips if they want to cook a meal etc. I don't think it's rude not to eat animal products when it's such a big part of my beliefs and life.

I personally wouldn't wear second hand leather because I hate the idea of wearing someone's dead skin, but I don't really have an ethical problem with someone wearing second hand leather from a charity shop, it's obviously not affecting the leather industry and who knows, may stop the person buying first hand leather. It's kinda like, when I'm older I would like to look into getting a few ex-battery chickens (if that's even possible) and giving them a place to live out the rest of their lives in my garden or something. If they happened to lay eggs I wouldn't eat them myself (yuck..) but I wouldn't have such an ethical problem with someone else eating them as long as I didn't charge for them and that wasn't the reason I was keeping the chickens.. I don't know anything about chickens and whether or not they like to keep the eggs themselves so that's purely hypothetical but, ya know.

mogthecat
Apr 20th, 2008, 11:01 PM
It's kinda like, when I'm older I would like to look into getting a few ex-battery chickens (if that's even possible) and giving them a place to live out the rest of their lives in my garden or something. If they happened to lay eggs I wouldn't eat them myself (yuck..) but I wouldn't have such an ethical problem with someone else eating them as long as I didn't charge for them and that wasn't the reason I was keeping the chickens..

I plan on doing this too, when I have a decent garden space and enough money! This organisation looks really good: http://www.bhwt.org.uk/adopt_some_hens.php

xErasedCitizenx
Apr 20th, 2008, 11:12 PM
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august
Apr 21st, 2008, 02:23 AM
I can not eat anything I know has animal parts in it, the thought makes me cringe. When I went vegan and found that animal parts are in most everything like soap, lotions, shampoo's, etc., I really had a shock. I couldn't believe I had been rubbing animals into my skin, I had a few nightmares about it- seriously. The realization that I had been eating, wearing, bathing and generally rolling around in dead animals really freaked me out.
I gave everything I had with animal parts away to other people and thrift stores and I do mean everything. It took me a good while to sort through everything I own basically. Everything but my old black leather Ramone's jacket- I buried it. I had a little ceremony and everything- with other vegans there. I'm sure I should have given it away but I just couldn't. I was so mad at myself for wearing this huge piece of a cow that I wanted to give her a personal, proper as possible burial.
Most people who are close enough to give me presents know I'm a vegan and what that means. If I do get something that's not vegan I give it away and find an opportune time to politely define or redefine veganism to the person who gave the gift- fortunately, I've only had this happen once.

rxkitten
Apr 21st, 2008, 02:37 PM
This is a toughy! I think becoming 'vegan' can be a scary prospect. I tried several times while I was a teenager, but I didn't realy care enough about myself to eat well. When I considered it two years ago the thing that scared me the most and still does is being judged by other vegans! So the most important thing to me now is to promote animal welfare and encourage people to do what they feel they can at the time. I don't label myself vegan, just incase there are things I don't know about, I'm learning every day! However I couldn't eat an animal product out of politness, although I'm sure there have been things like lactic acid or some random colouring or E number that I may not have know about eating out or at a friends house, I also couldn't accept a gift of new leather, fur or wool, but I don't think anyone I know would.

As for the second hand debate, I don't realy do 'new' I care about the enviroment as much as animals and I think the rate of production and waste in the clothing and home industries is terrifying. I have wool products that I had before heading for veganism and some leather boots, but all these things were bought out of necceasity, if I need shoes (and believe me I were my shoes until my feet pop out!) and they were the only ones I could buy from a second hand store I would say I'd have to, but if there was an alternative I would always choose the alternative.

There's so much to consider, what with paint and photo's the list is endless and not just about clothes and food, I think we have to do the best we can, but still enjoy life if your calling your self vegan and your miserable your not a good advertisment, but then so are you if your not following the basics........I appear to have gone on a tangent, I should get back to work!

rx

sugarmouse
Apr 21st, 2008, 04:51 PM
rolling around in dead animals really freaked me out.
I gave everything I had with animal parts away to other people and thrift stores and I do mean everything. It took me a good while to sort through everything I own basically. Everything but my old black leather Ramone's jacket- I buried it. I had a little ceremony and everything- with other vegans there. I'm sure I should have given it away but I just couldn't. I was so mad at myself for wearing this huge piece of a cow that I wanted to give her a personal, proper as possible burial.
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That is a great story, August.Rxkitten have I found another Ryden fan?:)
My father has been twisting on about keeping hens for a while.I am going to send him that link,thankyou xx

mogthecat
Apr 21st, 2008, 09:08 PM
My father has been twisting on about keeping hens for a while.I am going to send him that link,thankyou xx

Glad to help. I am so impatient to adopt some hens but think it will have to wait a while :sad:. My family have always kept hens and I've always wanted some, and now I'm vegan adopting battery hens seems the perfect thing to do. Very glad to think posting that link may end up saving some hens.:)

rxkitten
Apr 22nd, 2008, 02:09 PM
That is a great story, August.Rxkitten have I found another Ryden fan?:)
My father has been twisting on about keeping hens for a while.I am going to send him that link,thankyou xx

Sugarmouse you have, I love Ryden, the man is a genius!! (I'd like to adopt hens too but my garden is too small and I'm a bit traumatised after being chased by several on a yard I worked on, I had horse feed and they wanted it bad!! :eek: )

Healthy
Apr 23rd, 2008, 11:21 AM
Count me in as a Ryden fan too. I saw his "Blood" series in a NYC exhibition a few years ago. It was thrilling.

That is a great story August!

susangail
Apr 29th, 2008, 07:11 AM
I personally try my best not to eat non-vegan food that I didn't buy, even if it was a gift. I weigh it based on which is worse, hurting your friend's feelings, or eating something that caused animal suffering and death. If I'm at a friend's house or eating out, I don't ask whether the bread has honey or whey, or whether the pasta has egg whites. I don't use products that were animal tested but I don't (and can't as far as my budget) avoid all animal ingredients. I do what I can and don't worry about what I can't.

And on the issue of old non-vegan products from the non-vegan days, I only have a few (one of which I realized I had while reading this thread), which I don't use and am planning to give away. I only recently became a vegan (I had been working my way up from vegetarianism) so I'm still de-crueltifying my stuff. I can't bring myself to wear my wool socks or use my leather purse, etc. I wouldn't want people who know me as a vegan to see me with them and every time I look at them, I would be reminded of the suffering those poor animals went through.

My only problem is my journal. Its cover is leather. It was a gift from my sister that I got many months ago before I was a vegan. I'm torn though. I've already written a lot in it. If I remove the cover, it would ruin the journal and I wouldn't be able to give it away anyway. The damage of supporting the industry is done. I write only when I'm alone so no one would see me with it. But on the other side, it's a dead animal. I just feel horrible when I see it. I haven't decided but for now, I'm still writing in it (I write a lot, it's almost an obsession).

Well I'm done rambling for now.
Susan