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tipsy
Jun 2nd, 2008, 05:41 AM
a copy of the email peta just sent me.

"I have great news! Thanks to the help of PETA's more than 2 million members and supporters, we've just scored a major victory for chickens killed by fast-food chain KFC.

Following more than five years of intense campaigning, numerous undercover investigations, and over 12,000 demonstrations against KFC around the world, I'm happy to announce that KFC Canada will be making sweeping changes to the ways it raises and kills chickens slaughtered for its restaurants.

KFC Canada agreed to this historic new animal welfare plan following seven months of closed-door negotiations with PETA. With today's announcement, the company plans to do the following:

Phase in purchases of 100 percent of its chickens from suppliers that use controlled-atmosphere killing (CAK)—the least cruel form of poultry slaughter ever developed. KFC Canada is the first major restaurant chain to commit to phasing in the exclusive purchasing of chicken meat from CAK slaughterhouses.

Make a vegan faux-chicken item available at the majority of KFC restaurants in Canada.

Improve its animal welfare criteria to reduce the number of broken bones and other injuries suffered by birds.

Urge its suppliers to adopt better practices, including improved lighting, lower stocking density and ammonia levels, and a phaseout of growth-promoting drugs and breeding practices that painfully cripple chickens.

Form an animal welfare advisory panel to monitor the changes and recommend further advancements."

wow! too bad its not worldwide!

Huddy
Jun 2nd, 2008, 08:41 AM
Fingers crossed it does become worldwide. But an even better thing would be KFC not existing!:sad:

(just thought Id edit to make myself clear-Im saying the fake meat would be good to go worldwide. the slaughter part still sucks!)

emzy1985
Jun 2nd, 2008, 10:57 AM
Hey Roxy was that you? HEHEHE!

Firstly if they do do this vegan chicken who here would eat it?

Secondly what is controlled atmosphere killing? Like suffocation or something? Sounds um very um humane! :rolleyes:

Kula
Jun 2nd, 2008, 12:21 PM
You'll forgive me if I don't jump for joy at this.

harpy
Jun 2nd, 2008, 01:03 PM
Fingers crossed it does become worldwide. But an even better thing would be KFC not existing!:sad:


How about an all-vegan KFC, that might be OK?

ISTR that their sort of chicken doesn't taste of anything much anyway so probably no-one would notice if they substituted 'vegan faux-chicken' for all of it...

Fungus
Jun 2nd, 2008, 01:19 PM
It's odd how people go on about animals being raised in a 'humane' way .. they're not humans !! :)
IMHO there's no way meat production can be truly cruelty-free ..

flying plum
Jun 2nd, 2008, 03:14 PM
i think the greater irony is we describe living conditions for animals as 'humane' that would have most people locked up should they treat a human like that...

that aside, good to see they're making progress.

amanda

Prawnil
Jun 2nd, 2008, 05:49 PM
I would suppose that's a tank that pumps up the CO2 until everything in it dies. If it's by any other gas I'd wonder what it does to the flesh... Or even CO2 for that matter. Though they're arguable positive, these kind of changes always make me uncomfortable.
..lulling...

Darky_
Jun 2nd, 2008, 07:48 PM
I also got this exact email and I thought it was slightly annying they thought it was great news, i mean, also thought, KFC shouldn't exist.... ugh and knowing PETA they will start giving them certificates!!
I would be a nervous wreck if someone came up to me or dragged me into a slaughter house to be stun gunned or electricuted no matter how quick it is. It ALL hurts to get it. Still sucks. KFC suck. McDonalds suck. You all suck!......well not the last one, yet, ha dee ha!! :p

But then again, these companies are just too big and theres too much of a high demand for the crap, that I guess its not as easy to just elimate every take away like that....So I think its a good start. Just damn the certificates though!! :rolleyes:

Darky_
Jun 2nd, 2008, 07:51 PM
.....No maybe its a BAD start! If people think 'humane meat', the demand will grow and no one will ever want to shut em down and end the Take-aways!! :o

Kevster
Jun 4th, 2008, 08:39 PM
This really is complete nonsense, for a posturing animal rights group to consider this great news is utterly ridiculous.

I don't quite know who they think they are? Apart from a bunch of profiteering welfarists and sell outs. Whilst local groups exist on next to no money Peta flaunts it alongside their fake ideals.

Personally, and i know how popular peta are with some people, this deserves condemnation.

The following piece written by Gary Francione is well worth reading. The true successes that Peta have achieved are almost non existent. They've helped some people go vegetarian, mainly through their supporters helping to raise awareness. Local groups also perform this function perfectly well without the support of peta. Waiting in the wings to collect the membership $$$.

http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/?p=144

emzy1985
Jun 4th, 2008, 10:44 PM
Good article Kevster.

"But as long as the major so-called “animal rights” groups are telling them that they can satisfy their moral obligations by eating at KFC and other similar places (remember that PETA has had similar “deals” with McDonald’s and Burger King), the status quo will persist and the only progress that we will see is the increase in PETA’s bank accounts (http://www.eri-nonprofit-salaries.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=NPO.Summary&EIN=521218336&Cobrandid=0)."

I think I'm an abolitionist! :)

Mahk
Jun 8th, 2008, 11:40 PM
Hopefully some day the entire world will turn vegan but in this transitional time which may last for years, decades, or centuries, is it wrong to try to minimize the amount and kind of suffering that currently happens to billions of farm animals every single day? I don't think so.

I don't like many things about Peta but to say that they have accomplished little or nothing isn't true IMO. I bet a huge percentage of veg*ns in the world would attribute their decision to stop eating meat was based (at least partly) on media, photos, and undercover videos that they were exposed to thanks to the work of Peta.

Here (http://www.peta.org/factsheet/files/FactsheetDisplay.asp?ID=107) are other accomplishments they are responsible for. Does anyone know of a pro-animal organization which has a similar list that's even a tenth as long?

emzy1985
Jun 9th, 2008, 10:28 AM
I know what you are saying but I still don't think sleeping with the enemy, so to speak is the answer.

harpy
Jun 9th, 2008, 10:44 AM
I agree with Mahk that it's worth improving conditions for farmed animals as long as people still eat meat. I wonder though whether it isn't better if an organisation specialises in either promoting animal 'welfare' or promoting veg*nism? For a single organisation to promote both, as Peta seems to do, seems to dilute the pro-veg*n message a bit.

emzy1985
Jun 9th, 2008, 11:00 AM
For a single organisation to promote both, as Peta seems to do, seems to dilute the pro-veg*n message a bit.

My thoughts exactly!

bryzee86
Jun 9th, 2008, 11:07 AM
I think I'm an abolitionist! :)[/COLOR]

Me too. Well, I know I'm an abolitionist!

It's still dead, innit.

Mahk
Jun 9th, 2008, 07:36 PM
For a single organisation to promote both, as Peta seems to do, seems to dilute the pro-veg*n message a bit.

Yes, true. But just like with many of us, turning vegan overnight is rare. Usually there is an intermediate stage of vegetarianism and increased animal welfare consciousness. I think Peta is pushing the world toward the first stage with veganism as the long term final goal. I think.

Kevster
Jun 9th, 2008, 08:32 PM
One of the problems with Peta is the inconsistent approach. They seem to try and spread themselves far and wide to get the greatest catchment of people. But then send confusing mixed messages.

One moment, it's 'ok' to eat at KFC' next moment it's not.

One moment they'll condemn Selfridges for selling foie gras, then halt protests when Selfridges say they'll sell an ethical version ALONGSIDE the really cruel one.

I'm sure lots has been written by people on Peta but i am not one of their fans. For sure some of their investigative work is quite good, but it's not $30m well spent. They should be far more effective.

Zero
Jun 17th, 2008, 04:13 PM
PETA, helping meat eaters feel better about their unethical food choices. This is simply a step in the "New Wellfarist" direction, PETA are very misguided.

How can they refer to this as a victory? Are billions of chickens still dying? Yes. They are now dying in way that is "nicer", great, but I struggle to see how this is achieving anything, if anything it will encourage people to eat MORE chickens.

The industry will always be able to adapt to regulation and if anything it will capitalize upon it and bring new customers in.

Up side chickens won't suffer as much, down side more chickens will probably die now.

Zero
Jun 17th, 2008, 04:18 PM
Yes, true. But just like with many of us, turning vegan overnight is rare. Usually there is an intermediate stage of vegetarianism and increased animal welfare consciousness. I think Peta is pushing the world toward the first stage with veganism as the long term final goal. I think.

Mahk,

Appreciate what you are trying to say however, the means should match the ends.

Getting people to feel good about eating chicken and justifying the use of animals as property is not on a course for vegan ends.

If all these groups did vegan outreach and helped veganism become more recognized and mainstream instead of focusing on "winnable" wellfarist campaigns that promote "nicer" animal exploitation the approach would be much more effective.

emzy1985
Jun 17th, 2008, 05:58 PM
If all these groups did vegan outreach and helped veganism become more recognized and mainstream instead of focusing on "winnable" wellfarist campaigns that promote "nicer" animal exploitation the approach would be much more effective.

My thoughts exactly!

Mahk
Jun 17th, 2008, 07:58 PM
Zero, in the passage you quoted me on above I didn't say I approved of them, their views, or effectiveness, I was just commenting on what I believe to be their thought process. (just to make that clear)

Zero
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:28 PM
Zero, in the passage you quoted me on above I didn't say I approved of them, their views, or effectiveness, I was just commenting on what I believe to be their thought process. (just to make that clear)

I didn't say you approved of their methods either, I just stated I see what you are saying :)

Zero
Jun 18th, 2008, 03:41 PM
Gary Francione's new blog makes for interesting reading. The poulty industry and KFC both stand to make a substantial additional profit from making the changes PETA have been promoting. Such a myopic view they have taken.

www.abolitionistapproach.com/?p=144 (http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/?p=144)