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Mariela
Mar 11th, 2005, 04:47 AM
Did i do that right? Or am i supposed to keep talking about what you guys are talking about? Sorry if i was supposed to start a new thread for that.. New at this. Thanks.

Evilfluffbunny
Mar 11th, 2005, 11:54 AM
Did i do that right? Or am i supposed to keep talking about what you guys are talking about? Sorry if i was supposed to start a new thread for that.. New at this. Thanks.

Hi Mariela,

Yes, you can start your own thread, or you can use the search bar and see if there's already a thread about your topic. :)

Korn
Mar 11th, 2005, 08:25 PM
you can start your own thread, or you can use the search bar and see if there's already a thread about your topic.

Hi Mariela, EFB's suggestion is normally the best solution, but now I have created a new thread out of the posts above. Welcome!

Astrocat
Mar 18th, 2005, 11:41 PM
Sorry - I have no idea, as if i want fruit juice i by far prefer to make my own, fresh.
:) of course, this way every fruit juice is free of gelatine *yay!*

ConsciousCuisine
Oct 21st, 2005, 04:05 PM
Okay, I am going to start this thread out with a juice that will kick your @$$ :eek: You decide if it is in the "pleasure" or "health" category for yourself :p

Serves 2

2 inches ginger
2 large beets, with greens
2 inches daikon radish
1 1/2 pounds dandelion greens
1 bunch romaine lettuce
6 large carrots
1 container onion and alfalfa sprouts
1 gala apple
1 lemon (peel and all!)


Juice, stir and drink immediately :D

Mr Flibble
Oct 21st, 2005, 04:41 PM
your post should be moved to the "need a yummy recipe" thread ;)

where does one acquire dandelion greens from?

ConsciousCuisine
Oct 21st, 2005, 04:44 PM
Heeheehee :D

I get dandelion greens at the local co-op or Whole Foods Market. This is an *intense* juice!

maya
Oct 21st, 2005, 06:55 PM
They grow in my backyard. They are slightly bitter but very good for you.


your post should be moved to the "need a yummy recipe" thread ;)

where does one acquire dandelion greens from?

BookBomb
Sep 17th, 2006, 07:48 PM
I am a new vegan and wondering what are some good brands for fortified orange juice. I've shopped around and found some but many contain animal products(vitamin d3). Also, what are animal derived calcium ingredients?

Tigerlily
Sep 17th, 2006, 07:49 PM
I think calcium lactate is the non-vegan calcium version.

I don't drink orange juice (allergies), so I don't know exactly.

BookBomb
Sep 22nd, 2006, 08:47 PM
thanks a lot everyone!

herbwormwood
Sep 23rd, 2006, 04:02 PM
Why do you think you need this? Healthy vegan diets are calcium rich.

Tigerlily
Sep 23rd, 2006, 04:29 PM
That's true, but if you're going to drink orange juice, why not drink the calcium enriched one? It's not going to hurt. ;)

Korn
Sep 23rd, 2006, 04:40 PM
It's not going to hurt.

That depends how much extra calcium you get from other possible sources (calcium supplements, fortified plant milks, multivitamins etc).

I'll post something in The Calcium Thread (http://www.veganforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=236905#post236905) about this very soon...! :)

BookBomb
Sep 23rd, 2006, 04:49 PM
That's true, but if you're going to drink orange juice, why not drink the calcium enriched one? It's not going to hurt. ;)

I am getting enough calcium from enriched soy/almond/rice milks, but I really enjoy orange juice and might as well get calcium from it too.

Everything I read about becoming vegan always talked about calcium fortified orange juice as a source of calcium, but I have yet to find a vegan one.

thecatspajamas1
Sep 24th, 2006, 03:15 AM
In my nutrition class the other day, nobody knew that there were non-milk calcium sources other than "calcium fortified orange juice". It was funny and sad. Me and the other vegan were like "Um.... GREENS, tofu, soymilk......"

In high school before I was vegan I would buy calcium-fortified orange juice because I hated milk. I haven't really had it in awhile. So is Tropicana not vegan?

herbwormwood
Sep 26th, 2006, 04:45 PM
That's true, but if you're going to drink orange juice, why not drink the calcium enriched one? It's not going to hurt. ;)

depends who makes it. I boycott some companies for (non vegan) ethical reasons. also if its not vegan it might hurt my conscience!

forthebirds
Sep 26th, 2006, 08:17 PM
Does anyone know which brands are vegan?

herbwormwood
Sep 28th, 2006, 10:31 AM
Does anyone know which brands are vegan?

which are calcium fortified too?

Yoggy
Mar 20th, 2007, 03:07 AM
I looked for a similar thread about this article but couldn't find one, so hopefully it's not a duplicate...

I was reading the "is coke vegan" thread and was somehow reminded of this article I read a while back. Apparently even sugar-free natural juice is hardly better than pop:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/11/health/main673229.shtml

Story follows:

(AP) Soda in a sippy cup?

Most parents wouldn't dream of it. But researchers say that when a baby's bottle or cup is filled with juice — even the 100 percent, all-natural, no-sugar-added stuff — parents might as well be pouring Pepsi.

A growing body of science is linking sweet drinks, natural or otherwise, to a host of child health concerns, everything from bulging bellies to tooth decay.

"All of these beverages are largely the same. They are 100 percent sugar," Dr. David Ludwig, an expert on pediatric obesity at Children's Hospital Boston, said recently. "Juice is only minimally better than soda."

The trouble is that parents who are quick to limit a child's soft drink consumption often overlook or even encourage juice indulgence thanks to the beverage's good-for-you image.

But that image can be overstated. Though healthy in moderation, juice essentially is water and sugar. In fact, a 12-ounce bottle of grape soda has 159 calories. The same amount of unsweetened grape juice packs 228 calories.

The $10 billion juice industry maintains that a conclusive link between its products and obesity has yet to be established, but researchers say sugar is sugar, and sweet drinks of any kind must be consumed with care.

Overuse of juice is a relatively recent phenomenon. Before the rise of soda, juice and other sweetened drinks during the latter half of the 20th century, water and milk were children's primary beverages.

In a nation where nearly a third of children are either overweight or at risk of becoming overweight, health officials now say high-calorie beverages have little place in a young child's diet.

"With the possible exception of milk, children do not need any calorie containing beverages," Ludwig says. "What is needed to replace fluid loss and satisfy thirst is the same beverage we've been drinking for millions of years, and that's water."

The danger of juice is that too much can throw off the balance of calories and nutrients children need, according to Dr. Terrill Bravender, director of adolescent medicine at Duke University Medical Center.

In very young children, too much juice cuts the appetite for nutritionally superior breast milk or formula. In older children, it often supplements other foods, potentially adding hundreds of excess calories.

Part of the problem is that the calories in juice are so concentrated. Just half a cup (4 ounces) of apple juice has 60 calories, the same as a whole apple, but without the fiber that makes fruit filling.

In 2001, the American Academy of Pediatrics issued guidelines saying fruit juice should not be given to children younger than 6 months, and that there is no nutritional reason to give it to them before their first birthday.

After that, juice is optional, though the group favors whole produce and urges parents to limit juice to 4 to 6 ounces a day for children up to 6 years old, and to no more than 8 to 12 ounces for older children. Experts say pudgy children should avoid juice altogether.

Those guidelines concern the juice industry, which markets 6 3/4-ounce juice boxes and bags to kids. Children drink about a quarter of all juice consumed, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

Carol Freysinger, executive director of the Juice Products Association, says some producers have felt an impact since the pediatrics guidelines were released, but she wouldn't elaborate.

She is critical of doctors telling parents to eliminate juice, saying it gives a bad name to a healthy beverage and could prevent people from getting important nutrients juice offers.

Despite the guidelines, 60 percent of 1-year-olds drink juice, averaging 11½ ounces a day, according to 2002 USDA data. That's up from 57 percent less than a decade before.

The USDA also found that more children younger than 1 are drinking juice, up from 35 percent to 39 percent, though they are drinking less of it.

While juice can be a healthy way to occasionally get picky children to consume more fruit, researchers say using it too often can exacerbate bad eating habits by training kids to prefer — and hold out for — something sweet.

Dr. William Dietz, with the division of nutrition and physical activity at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, says parents need to be firm — thirst is satisfied with water, hunger with solid foods. Caloric beverages can blur that line.

Kimberly Kwitkiwski, a mother of twin 2-year-old girls, has found a middle ground. She is careful about her daughters' sugar intake, but since Jade and Jillian won't drink straight water, she spikes it with a few ounces of low-sugar juice.

Over the course of a day, the Hooksett, N.H., woman's children get only about 4 or 5 ounces of light juice.

Despite her vigilance, Kwitkiwski says it's easy to be confused by mixed messages, especially on product labels. She wonders how many parents realize "no added sugar" doesn't mean "low sugar."

Ludwig also is critical of juice marketing efforts, saying parents are easily misled into thinking they are making healthy choices. He was particularly critical of one bagged juice beverage's claim that it "hydrates kids better than water."

"This is an example of how children's diets can be perverted by the unbridled actions of the food industry when it places private profit ahead of public health," he says.

herbwormwood
Mar 20th, 2007, 10:15 AM
I agree that that fruit juice contains a lot of sugar, and probably not a good idea to give it unrestricted to small children, also it is much better to eat whole fruit, but pure juice contains other nutrients than sugar, whereas soda drinks don't.

Lorrs
Mar 20th, 2007, 10:49 AM
My friend is doing dietetics at uni and she told me that if you are to drink juice, you should really only be filling a glass with 1 or 2 cm of juice and the rest with water.

Korn
Mar 20th, 2007, 11:07 AM
/Most parents wouldn't dream of it. But researchers say that when a baby's bottle or cup is filled with juice — even the 100 percent, all-natural, no-sugar-added stuff — parents might as well be pouring Pepsi.

Sodapop contains high amounts of processed, white sugar, free from nutrients and full of stuff that actually is fighting with the nutrients children get from other sources. It also contains other chemicals, is colored, is less fresh than natural juices that also contain vitamins, anti-oxidants...


"All of these beverages are largely the same. They are 100 percent sugar,"
This is 100% nonsense. :)


...researchers say sugar is sugar, and sweet drinks of any kind must be consumed with care. Researches say that there's a big difference between sugar and sugar, and also between sucrose and fructose...


Overuse of juice is a relatively recent phenomenon.
Overuse of juice isn't good - overuse of anything isn't good, otherwise, it wouldn't be defined as overuse. :)


Apple contains calories, but calories in healthy amounts ain't bad. Apples also contains antioxidants, phytonutrients/polyphenols... sodapop doesn't.


"With the possible exception of milk, children do not need any calorie containing beverages," We know what we mean about milk, and have many threads about dairy products already, but typical for such articles, is that they claim something like (we need milk) without even trying to back it up with scientific data...


The danger of juice is that too much can throw off the balance of calories and nutrients children need. That wouldn't be 'the dangers of juice', it would be 'the dangers of too much juice'.



In very young children, too much juice cuts the appetite for nutritionally superior breast milk or formula.
Nobody are advocating 'too much' of anything, are they? :)


Part of the problem is that the calories in juice are so concentrated. Just half a cup (4 ounces) of apple juice has 60 calories, the same as a whole apple, but without the fiber that makes fruit filling. This makes sense - I'm sure an apple is more healthy. But then again, some apple juice is made from the whole apple ('cloudy'/non-clarified) juice...

‘Cloudy’ apple juice packs more antioxidants (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16651652/):

NEW YORK - When it comes to apple juice, “cloudier” may mean healthier, according to a study published Monday.
In a head-to-head comparison of apple juices, Polish researchers found that pulpy, non-clarified juice carried a greater antioxidant punch than clear juice. Antioxidants are compounds that neutralize free radicals, molecules that can damage body cells and contribute to disease.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6262473.stm

Polyphenols

Previous research has shown that polyphenols contained in fruit and vegetables help to protect against diseases such as cancer, by mopping up free radicals which can cause damage to cells.

Apples themselves contain a wide variety of polyphenols but when processed into apple juice some of these may be lost.

The manufacturing process used to make clear apple juice, which include using an enzyme to break down the pectin in apple cell walls and spinning to remove pulp, considerably decreases the levels of polyphenols in the end product, Dr Oszmianski explained.

Dr Paul Kroon, senior research scientist at the Institute of Food Research in Norwich said clear apple juices tended to be more popular and are more stable giving them a longer shelf life.

"A lot of polyphenols are lost when you make a clear juice. It could also be that because you're retaining that cloudiness and pectin there's the additional benefit of fibre.

"If you're interested in health, you should go for a non-clarified apple juice."

Dr Kroon said eating an apple would be better than drinking apple juice, although farmers had been growing sweeter less astringent varieties with fewer polyphenols.

UC DAVIS STUDY SHOWS 100 PERCENT APPLE JUICE IS MORE NUTRITIOUS THAN PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT
Significant amount of phytonutrients may help protect against heart disease.
(http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/news/applejuice.html)



Industry-funded studies back beverage benefits
Research 4 to 8 times likelier to tout milk, soda, consumer group finds (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16528571/)

Does milk lower blood pressure? Does juice prevent heart disease? Beverage studies were four to eight times more likely to reach sweet conclusions about health effects when industry was footing the bill, a new report contends.

Its authors claim to have done the first systematic analysis of such studies published from 1999 through 2003 in hundreds of journals around the world.

“We found evidence that’s strongly suggestive of bias,” said Dr. David Ludwig, an obesity specialist at Children’s Hospital Boston who led the work, which was published Monday in the online science journal PLoS Medicine. The consumer advocacy group Center for Science in the Public Interest also participated.

Analysis of antioxidants from orange juice (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12405755&dopt=Abstract)

Effects of blood orange juice intake on antioxidant bioavailability and on different markers related to oxidative stress. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=15713002&dopt=Abstract)

Grape juice better than orange juice for anti-oxidants (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=204&objectid=10428956)

If you think a glass of breakfast orange juice is the best way to start the day, think again.

Grape juice could be more beneficial.

Scientists have carried out the first scientific analysis of fruit juices to measure their anti-oxidant activity - the anti-ageing compounds that protect against heart disease and other chronic conditions.

Top of the league is purple grape juice followed by apple juice and cranberry juice, according to the study by researchers at the University of Glasgow.

Orange juice, the most popular fruit juice, comes way down the league.

It contains fewer polyphenols than the other juices tested, which are strong anti-oxidants.

Alan Crozier, professor of Plant Biochemistry and Human Nutrition who led the study, said: "Not all fruit juices are the same. The findings reveal that the variety of phenolic compounds and antioxidant capacity of the individual juices varied markedly."

"Purple grape juice made with Concord grapes contains the highest and broadest range of polyphenols as well as having the highest antioxidant capacity. Other high-ranking products include cloudy apple juice and cranberry juice drink."
[...]
By quenching free radicals they help to maintain oxidative balance and prevent the development of diseases including cancer and heart disease.

Professor Crozier said: "Supplementing a healthy diet with a regular intake of a variety of fruit juices such as purple grape juice, grapefruit juice, cloudy apple juice and cranberry juice, will increase the consumer's intake of phenolic antioxidants."

He added: "The message is to mix these juices during the week. That way you will get all the compounds with anti-oxidant activity. If you drink only one juice you risk missing out on the compounds in the others."

AMA Warns that Soda Pop is Major Health Hazard for Kids & Adults (http://www.organicconsumers.org/Toxic/soda-pop.cfm)

Is Drinking Soda Pop Harming Our Kids? Do You Know What's in the Pop Your Kids Drink? (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/47806/is_drinking_soda_pop_harming_our_kids.html)


Stop Soda Pop: Five Reasons Not to Drink Soda (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/37710/stop_soda_pop_five_reasons_not_to_drink.html)

auntierozzi
Mar 20th, 2007, 11:08 AM
We water down juice for our children and now they only like it like that. We find a good rule is to only have water at the table with a meal too. They don't like anything 'spikey' - that's with bubbles in. One of our children drinks gallons and the other hardly drinks anything which I find pretty difficult to encourage.

harpy
Mar 20th, 2007, 12:16 PM
ISTR that putting fruit juice in a feeding bottle for the child to swig at is frowned on by dentists because it means that they're exposing their teeth to sugar for a long period, instead of just at a meal time. The "spiking" idea mentioned in the article doesn't sound so good from that point of view.