George Oshawa & the macrobiotic diet

[Vegan_Steven]

I appreciate that you want to contribute with facts, and we all try to correct ourselves (and others) if what we think are "pseudo-facts" have been posted (internet is full of them, and if they are quoted by others on other sites, they appear as real facts) - but: remember that it's fully possible to do that without being rude.

Actually I get most of my information from books, but yes I google to when I need information quickly.

Further more Amazon skips every other page and only go's then, up to pg 68, thanks I'm 47 years old and don't need to be lead by the hand.

Additionally the person (claiming to be a nutritional researcher and therefor an expert) stated that there were no omegas in brown rice then went on to say that there were negligable amounts.......... which a simple google search of accurate nutritional facts will prove wrong.

[Vegan_Steven]

Regarding misundferstandings etc. you may have had with other members, please don't use this thread to report that. Please use the report function with specific links to specific posts if you feel that you haven't been treated with respect.

about Omega 3 (etc) levels in brown rice without knowing who George Oshawa was, does it really make sense to suggest that people are in 'attack mode' if they don't think brown rice contains 'omegas'? If you think it does, please post your source! :-)

Then please don't scold me in a thread.

And if you read back a few posts I posted my source on omegas which is a simple nutritional fact page.

Further more I don't read embellished western macrobiotic literature, I read George Oshawa on the subject and that's it. Additionally my book was an original print translation that would crumble when touched, a one of a kind translation (Oshsawa was translated by many publishers who translated out many different interpretations)

[Korn]

What you just quoted was a comment to "I get giddy with excitement when proving someone so wrong that when you look up wrong in the dictionary her tastefully sensual picture appears."

You have a signature which makes it appear as nutrition is your profession, so you shouldn't need to struggle find finding in old Oshawa book to back up your facts. I know there's limited access to books when using Amazon's "Look Inside" feature, but the book you mention can be bought from several book stores for as little as $0.01 (!!!) + shipping.

PS - I'm sure we agree that something isn't true just because Oshawa wrote it in some of his books. ;-)

[Vegan_Steven]

You have a signature which makes it appear as nutrition is your profession, so you shouldn't need to struggle find finding in old Oshawa book to back up your facts.I know there's limited access to books when using Amazon's "Look Inside" feature, but the book you mention can be bought from several book stores for as little as $0.01 (!!!) + shipping.

PS - I'm sure we agree that something isn't true just because Oshawa wrote it in some of his books. ;-)
Yes, I'll find one although it's not first on my to do list.

Yes we can agree that somethings aren't true just because Oshsawa wrote it which I've previously stated multiple times.

I've had a fitness and a nutriton certificate for 10 years from the International Sports Science Association which is all my signature was meant to suggest.

[Vegan_Steven]

After some period of time on a brown rice diet, you're likely to suffer from protein-energy-malnutrition such as marasmus or kwashiorkor. Severe protein and electrolyte depletion will cause your body to destroy your muscles (your HEART is a muscle) and leads to kidney and heart failure. I'd urge you to research this type of diet thoroughly before you cause yourself severe health problems.
One 1/4 cup of short grain brown rice has 4 grams of protein, that's 16 grams per cup, most Pacific Islanders eat double or triple that amount of white rice in one day which contains as much protein which amounts to 32 to 38 grams of protein in one day. The western philosophy that a grown adult male needs 50 or more grams per day is ludicrous coming from a people who claim red meat and cheese are part of the 4 main food groups and produce the most obese diabetic, heart diseased populations on earth.

Additionally, 80 to 130 pound Pacific Islanders would hardly need as much(more like 10 to 20 grams per day).

Further more I was a vegan body builder for 9 years and my peers suggested that body builders need 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight per day to build muscle. I proved them wrong by producing enormous amounts of muscle in the range of ingesting 30 to 50 grams of protein per day. Considering the average body will only utilize 28 grams of protein per digestive cycle which is between 4 to 6 hours or more depending on metabolism, 270 grams which is what I would have needed acording to them would be impossible to achieve and no I didn't use steroids which wouldn't matter anyway because you still need protein to produce new muscle, steroids or not, steroids just help you synthesize more protein better. Proof positive of the over ingestion of protein by western body builders is the amount of protein waste an average body builder produces in the form of gas and feces.

PS to much protein can cause renal failure to.

Also Oshsawa also felt that brown rice was the most acid/alkaline balanced grain on earth.



In conclusion I can't help but feel that anyone suggesting that additional fluoride in a western diet is desirable may be confused with their facts. Fluoride, in rare cases only needed by children(and even that's debatable), is actually added to most western water supplies (and toothpaste) and then therefor trickles down into every part of the food chain. Much to much fluoride.
A Canadian Government report found fluoridation does more harm than good. A US National Institutes of Health Panel found most tooth decay studies, including hundreds on fluoride, scientifically invalid. If you could quote me a scientific double blind study (other than the popular non scientific non double blind western one done in the 40's) that says people need fluoride ( a contaminated waste product of industry) in any form or amount I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

[Korn]

Exactly why my long term goal is a brown rice diet.

Certified Fitness Trainer and Nutritional Technologist.
Hi again,
you give the impression that a 'brown rice diet' is something that's recommendable from a nutritional point of view (Not only as a temp. solution for health problems), and that you are a nutritional technologist. I see this as potentially dangerous information. I have never read about or seen anyone document that one can live a healthy life on a brown rice diet. If you can document that, please do so - and if nutrition technology isn't your profession, please don't use that signature.

[Vegan_Steven]

Hi again,
you give the impression that a 'brown rice diet' is something that's recommendable from a nutritional point of view, and that you are a nutritional technologist. I see this as potentially dangerous information. I have never read about or seen anyone document that one can live a healthy life on a brown rice diet. If you can document that, please do so - and if nutrition technology isn't your profession, please don't use that signature.
Hi there :D, I was a professional fitness trainer and nutritional technologist for 8 years and still hold my certifications but currently don't work in the industry, if that doesn't qualify me as a certified fitness trainer and nutritional technologist than I can't imagine what would. Further more I don't claim to be a nutritionist which requires a 4 to 6 year degree in nutrition from an accredited college or university (although the ISSA is accredited)

and no I don't suggest a brown rice diet is recommended for anyone..............except me if I choose to follow such a diet..............and I've never recommended it for anyone but me........ throughout this entire thread :D

[Korn]

and no I don't suggest a brown rice diet is recommended for anyone..............except me if I choose to follow such a diet
Does this mean that you think that you have other nutritional needs than everybody else?

Anyway, we'll change the board rules this week; anyone who claims to be any kind of professional health pratctioner - doctor, nutritionist, nutritional technologist will be required to use their real names.

I'd still like to see any documentation you have seen of people who live on a brown rice diet for more than just a short period of their life without getting health problems.

[Vegan_Steven]

Does this mean that you think that you have other nutritional needs than everybody else?

Yes. I do, we all do, everyone is different.

I know a 44 year old Pakistani woman that has never tasted meat or dairy and doesn't use any B12 supplements and she doesn't follow any strict health diets. Does she have different b12 needs than everyone else?? I guess so. Probably not though, she's probably deficient in b12 in all reality but she appears healthy...........see I'm a realist to.:D


Anyway, we'll change the board rules this week; anyone who claims to be any kind of professional health pratctioner - doctor, nutritionist, nutritional technologist will be required to use their real names.When you change the rules I'll change my signature. Until then, I've earned my title but would be silly to post my real name in any internet forum.


I'd still like to see any documentation you have seen of people who live on a brown rice diet for more than just a short period of their life without getting health problems.
Well, if you hit one of the many links I produced you'll see documentation alluding that some Pacific Islanders may live on nothing but rice, anymore than that and I'll have to hit a large science library for a couple weeks.

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[BonnieParker]

this comment is a little late i realize... but maybe someone will read it? :)
I have recently become interested in macrobiotics. not as a permanent lifestyle or anything, but more as a healing tool. a strict macrobiotic diet was always intended as a healing diet and not as a lifelong commitment. the basic diet is based on the idea of flexibility. it's all very interesting. i love the idea of thinking of my food in terms of energy!

[Korn]

a strict macrobiotic diet was always intended as a healing diet and not as a lifelong commitment.
Are you 100% sure about that? :-)

http://www.amazon.com/Macrobiotic-Way-Michio-Kushi/dp/1583331808
http://www.macrobiotics.nl/library/macrobiotics4.html
http://www.9starki.com/shiawase.htm
http://macrobiotics.co.uk/history.htm