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Zero
Feb 12th, 2009, 07:43 PM
Yeah, you didn't read it wrong. In another desperate grab for attention Peta resort to dressing as racist extremists in order to attempt to draw a line between the Ku Klux Klan and the Kennel Club :confused:

This parallel is neither obvious, nor is it of any help. Well done once again for the absolute absurd behavior.

How does making yourself look like a racist help animals? :mad:

This is real insensitive and disrespectful toward anyone who have been attacked or have relatives who have been attacked by the likes of the KKK.

Articles here:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2009-02-09-peta-westminster-kkk-protest_N.htm

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/unleashed/2009/02/peta-protests-w.html


http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2009/02/09/petax.jpg

aubergine
Feb 12th, 2009, 08:49 PM
Case closed.

They don't speak for me.

bryzee86
Feb 13th, 2009, 12:56 AM
Most know how I feel bout Peta.

This just compounds that.

veganvic82
Feb 13th, 2009, 01:09 AM
hmmmm....

Sarabi
Feb 13th, 2009, 01:41 AM
Wow. I've seen my share of PETA, but this still shocks me. I am so, so, so, SO glad I decided a long time ago not to apply for an internship there.

snivelingchild
Feb 13th, 2009, 02:22 AM
What's wrong with linking one "evil" with another? Unless it's the dressing up that has people upset. Plus, the KKK doesn't attack people. They are a legit organization that doesn't support hate crimes. Surely some members have gone against that, but that's not the point. (Besides, this took place in New York. I doubt anyone who passed them on the street happened to have a hate crime done against them by someone who happened to be in the KKK...in New York.)

The parallel seems obvious to me, that breedism=racism. KKK is the most recognizable symbol of racism.

Sarabi
Feb 13th, 2009, 02:31 AM
What's wrong with linking one "evil" with another? Unless it's the dressing up that has people upset. Plus, the KKK doesn't attack people. They are a legit organization that doesn't support hate crimes. Surely some members have gone against that, but that's not the point. (Besides, this took place in New York. I doubt anyone who passed them on the street happened to have a hate crime done against them by someone who happened to be in the KKK...in New York.)

The parallel seems obvious to me, that breedism=racism. KKK is the most recognizable symbol of racism.
It doesn't just matter what's obvious to you. The audience matters. If I were a target of the KKK's discrimination or whatever it is they do or have done, I would not want to walk around and see anyone dressed up as them. Imagine what a symbol of horror this must be to so many people. You can't just ignore other people's trauma on the basis that it "seems obvious to [you]." I remember the juxtaposition of black people being hanged with a slaughterhouse cow hanging from a rope. It seems to make sense until you put yourself into the shoes of people who have been called "animal" all their lives as a derogatory term. You think you are showing how obviously bad slavery and discriminatory killing is, but in fact they see the complete opposite: you are showing how right slavery and discriminatory killing is.

snivelingchild
Feb 13th, 2009, 02:40 AM
Show me a single person in New York that trembles at the site of a KKK robe. We make fun of them. They're like Nazis. Who the hell in new york would have an experience with the KKK? Do you even know what they do or where they are?

bryzee86
Feb 13th, 2009, 09:46 AM
Show me a single person in New York that trembles at the site of a KKK robe. We make fun of them. They're like Nazis. Who the hell in new york would have an experience with the KKK? Do you even know what they do or where they are?

so the most visited city in the Usa won't have tourists?

And "they're like Nazis" is an awful comparison to make. They're quite different.

Sarabi
Feb 13th, 2009, 09:47 AM
Show me a single person in New York that trembles at the site of a KKK robe. We make fun of them. They're like Nazis. Who the hell in new york would have an experience with the KKK? Do you even know what they do or where they are?
Please read this article by Vegans of Color.
http://vegansofcolor.wordpress.com/2009/02/12/peta-protests-as-the-kkk/

Do you even know what racism is?

It seems like it must be much easier to "make fun of them" given your skin color. Also, how can you claim to speak for all New Yorkers?

If I saw those PeTA members, I'd think they really were the KKK.


And "they're like Nazis" is an awful comparison to make. They're quite different.
Good point. If they were like Nazis, they'd really be scary. The Nazis did as bad to humans as what factory farms do to other species. There's a reason that replication of the Nazi symbol was forbidden in my school district - even a majority-white school in Texas with almost no black people could figure out the problems surrounding such symbols.

horselesspaul
Feb 13th, 2009, 09:59 AM
We make fun of them. They're like Nazis.
Here in Europe we have had far less occasion to laugh at Nazis for some reason.

Also, your two replies sound a little like a mitigation of the KKK, I'm sure that isn't what you meant.
Plus, the KKK doesn't attack people. They are a legit organization that doesn't support hate crimes. Surely some members have gone against that, but that's not the point.

Show me a single person in New York that trembles at the site of a KKK robe.
The KKK have since their inception been a vile, violent, racist organisation. Recently, they have attempted to disinfect themselves and become more "mainstream".


Classic PeTA. Once again they have treated a subject like an "in-joke", WE all get it but the people it's aimed at probably are appalled and bewildered in equal measure, further decreasing any credibility PeTA may have on important issues.

Zero
Feb 13th, 2009, 10:36 AM
Show me a single person in New York that trembles at the site of a KKK robe. We make fun of them. They're like Nazis. Who the hell in new york would have an experience with the KKK? Do you even know what they do or where they are?

So on that basis and following your logic, I can go to a sothern state such as oh I don't know lets say Alabama and dress up as Adolf Hitler and start goose stepping around to attempt to draw a line between the animal testing at Board of Trustees University in Birmingham and the experimentation on humans and animals performed by the Nazi's.

Given that there is not a large Jewish population in Alabama (0.2%) no one would take offense right?

harpy
Feb 13th, 2009, 10:41 AM
I quite liked this comment on the Vegans of Color blog:


PETA’s myopic, single issue liberalism is nothing but privilege at its finest (or worst, I suppose.)

Got to think that if the Peta people had been on the receiving end of serious racism (or sexism) themselves, then they would probably be less keen to use use their paraphernalia in larky publicity stunts :mad:

cobweb
Feb 13th, 2009, 11:08 AM
i agree with the point made about it being an 'in joke' - yes, vegans 'get it', we don't see a huge difference (if any) between what the KKK/Nazis, whoever you like do to humans, and what is being done to non-humans, BUT yes i also agree, most 'people on the street' won't even try to look beyond the costumes (sadly) :(.

Just more 'evidence' for non-vegans that people who care about non-humans are all 'extremists' :rollseyes_ani:.

and really, wtf is funny about the Nazis? :confused:.

Sloth
Feb 13th, 2009, 11:44 AM
I'm sure that there are still a great number of people alive today whose lives have been affected horrendously by the KKK, and so there could have been no doubt that this one was really going to offend. Of course this isn't about people being frightened, and it would be belittling to suggest this.

I'm sorry to repeat other posts, but this really did spring to mind while I was reading the article; yes, people interested in the rights and protection of animals would be very likely to understand what Peta were trying to say here, but the general 'person-on-the-street' would have probably taken great offence and spend little or no time considering the intended message.

aubergine
Feb 13th, 2009, 11:57 AM
Just more 'evidence' for non-vegans that people who care about non-humans are all 'extremists' :rollseyes_ani:.

Bingo.

Johnstuff
Feb 13th, 2009, 12:03 PM
I'd be scared for their own safety.

From a distance you just see KKK members giving out flyers.

snivelingchild
Feb 13th, 2009, 08:47 PM
It seems like it must be much easier to "make fun of them" given your skin color. Also, how can you claim to speak for all New Yorkers?
Ever seen Chappelle Show? I am born and raised in a black majority area. I live in the fucking ghetto. I was raised in black culture, with black friends. My high school was 80% black. Yeah, Nazis and KKK are made fun of all the time. I think I know a bit about racism, living in South Louisiana. I've known people who sit around talking about how much they hate niggers. I'm not able to speak lightly of KKK because I'm white. That's just fucking laughable if you actually knew me.

I also think dressing as a Nazi in Alabama would be fine. We do it for Halloween all the time. If anyone actually took SERIOUS personal offense from that, they don't have a sense of humor.

snivelingchild
Feb 13th, 2009, 08:49 PM
If anyone judges people sitting at a booth giving out flyer without seeing what they have to say, they're freakin shallow. Today on campus, boys in suits gave out flowers. They were abstinence flyers. (next to the table of girl giving out condoms.)

I do have more intricate points to make, but have to go to work.

Prawnil
Feb 13th, 2009, 08:50 PM
I also think dressing as a Nazi in Alabama would be fine. We do it for Halloween all the time. If anyone actually took SERIOUS personal offense from that, they don't have a sense of humor.Speechless.

horselesspaul
Feb 13th, 2009, 09:22 PM
Ever seen Chappelle Show?
Funniest sh1t on TV imo.

cobweb
Feb 13th, 2009, 11:13 PM
Speechless.


exactly my thoughts - Sniv, you don't like it when people make comments about the KKK and i know you live in the deep south - but spare a thought for some of us who had family killed by the Nazis, or killed trying to stop their genocide :amazed_ani:. You can get arrested in many areas for impersonating a Nazi in public.

sniv do you literally mean Nazis - or do you mean modern day 'neo Nazis'?

snivelingchild
Feb 14th, 2009, 04:38 AM
Hitler's Nazis. I guess our cultures are just different, but Nazis are made fun of all the time. War time cartoons from WWII had cartoon characters doing the goose step. It was humiliating the enemy. I think it's important to be able to laugh about the horrible things in life. Otherwise we'd never survive them.

That's why I thought it was so weird when it was a scandal that the prince dressed as a Nazi. I had no idea there was a law against it.

I grew up in an environment where black dudes at school would pull their white t-shirt over their heads all the time and make fun of KKK. I think this kind of humor is important. Focusing on things like this as "racism" takes away from the real racism that still happens. Don't get upset because someone feels a need to ridicule people who are so twisted they treat people based on their skin. Get upset when a kid gets beat for it, or doesn't get a job for it. I see the same thing with sexism. Getting too sensitive over things that aren't actually discriminatory diminishes focus on things that are.

In my experience, it is people who experience racism the least who are the most over-sensitive about racism. (completely a speculatory opinion of course)

snivelingchild
Feb 14th, 2009, 04:52 AM
American culture on Nazis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ3AOmZ2fps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZiRiIpZVF4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bljjn5SGvKI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmTihetNinI

American culture on KKK:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgqoczYC_fk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79mQar9S_t8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJkHykGRXrw
I found this one fucking hilarious; I LOVE crank dat paradies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDlaYyiffd0
I can't find the Chappelle Show sketch, but he does this hilarious sketch as a blind black man who is the leader of a KKK branch. He has no idea he's black.

I hope this clarifies things a bit.

snivelingchild
Feb 14th, 2009, 05:35 AM
I found it:
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/chappelles-show-kkk-blackmaster/3907642761
I also found this an interesting read on the subject:
http://www.holocaust-trc.org/holocaust_humor.htm