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Shisha Fiend
Apr 17th, 2005, 04:03 PM
If there are (estimated) 250,000 in the UK, then logically it seems obvious that there wouldn;t be (an estimated) 250,000 in just England.


:o Sorry! I can make no excuses for that, I read UK as England.

There seem to be a few people on this board from Scotland and Wales, I'm sure they all want to kill me now... :(

Astrocat
Apr 17th, 2005, 04:28 PM
I reckon that numbers are dropping because of this huge enforcement of the "fish is COMPULSORY in a healthy diet" nonsense which is being put about.
That's just a theory , though.

Fair enough Sisha, no hard feelings :) but i do wish that less english people wouldn;t just treat England as the only country in the UK whenever it is something positive under discussion.

I can see exactly why it was that you did it as this is a false notion which is reinforced the whole time by the media, and even by sporting events.... whenever it is something negative under discussion, suddenly Scotland & Wales are a part of the UK but if it is something positive under discussion somehow England is the only country worth a mention as part of the UK... or sometimes England is treated like the only part of the UK as standard whether the news is good or bad.

Whenever i hear the media or sporting events (when i lived with my folks my dad drove me spare by watching the football, which is rather racist indeed often) acting like England is the only country in the UK i feel like tossing a good old Scottish caber onto whoever is being racist, as ... well... it won;t hurt them anyway since i don't exist, and assumedly neither do scottish cabers since scotland doesn;t exist ;)

So yeah, to conclude I do feel exasperated by people who act as if England is the only country in the UK - but it's not because of you Sisha (and wellll, you DO live in London, hehe, i gather than many Londoners imagine that LONDON is the only place in the UK so you're one-up on them anyway), and I'm sure that you didn;t do it conciously or meaning to be racist or anything.
:) it's okay, you know ? And nooooo, it's okay - i don;t want to toss a caber onto you.

Oh, and if you think that what you said was bad, you should see what maps are like - many of them don;t even bother having the islands where i live marked on them, so when i see them I'm like, "What the - ? what am I - floating above the ocean and just imagining that there's land here ???"

adam antichrist
Apr 23rd, 2005, 01:13 AM
Back to the subject... I tried to go vegan in early '98 (new years resolution) but after 2 weeks was eating cheese again (as a chef, it was in front of me and I couldn't resist).
Then when I finally went vegan one year ago this week, I found that there are far more vegan food products available at local supermarkets than there were in 98. It is possible that companies have just spotted that there is a market to begin with, but I like to think that enough people have gone vegan and requested vegan versions of foods to be made conveniantly available that they are now being supplied.
Definately more vegans!

Green_Faery
Apr 23rd, 2005, 02:50 AM
-a little off topic... I was in a book store with my boyfriend looking at cookbooks and this guy came up to us and was asking us which cook books we recomended, etc. This was right around when the mad cow issue in the US came up again and he and his family decided to go veggie.

boxinghefner
Apr 18th, 2006, 10:39 PM
it's amazing when you think about it - if we accept official figures (i'm not saying we should) there are 345,000 vegans in the U.K. - that's 0.6% of the population [http://www.imaner.net/panel/factfile.htm]. I've heard friendlier figures that suggested around 500,000 of the population in the U.K. are Vegan - but that's still a really small amount. I find this fairly amazing to think about, that so small amount of people are Vegan. And the obvious implications for how likely we are to meet other vegans. I suppose I find this curious because i've know other vegans (not loads, but some) and work with another vegan.

What do you think about the head-count for vegans being so low?

Yoggy
Apr 18th, 2006, 10:47 PM
I thought 6% of UK citizens were vegan, compared with 4% of Canadians and 2.5% of Americans. It still doesn't account for all that much though :( . I think it's so low because people are by nature resistant to change. I remember deciding that I should be vegatarian, yet continuing to eat meat for nearly 6 months before finally making the change :o

Tigerlily
Apr 18th, 2006, 10:51 PM
I thought 6% of UK citizens were vegan, compared with 4% of Canadians and 2.5% of Americans. It still doesn't account for all that much though :( . I think it's so low because people are by nature resistant to change. I remember deciding that I should be vegatarian, yet continuing to eat meat for nearly 6 months before finally making the change :o

Maybe those percentages you heard were for vegetarians too (including those pescatarians)?

Risker
Apr 18th, 2006, 10:54 PM
I work it out at about roughly 1 in 150 people being vegan, I think that's a fair estimate.

I've never met another Vegan, plenty of vegetarians though. I suppose being a vegan among vegetarians increases the chance of one of them adopting it though, I hope.

gogs67
Apr 18th, 2006, 10:57 PM
I think half a million is quite a good amount!;)

Ara
Apr 18th, 2006, 10:59 PM
I've never met another vegan either, my godmother's son used to be vegan apprantly, but he found it too hard after a few years so went back to being vege :(

Risker
Apr 18th, 2006, 11:01 PM
This looks a bit erratic to me? Surely the vegan population can't be so fickle as to vary in numbers by such a great amount each year.



How many vegans in the UK?
The number of vegans in the UK is around a quarter of a million or 0.4% of the population (based on the surveys below).
Year % of UK population No of vegans Source
2005 0.6% 345,000 * (10)
2004 1.0% 593,000 * (9)
2003 0.5% 324,000 * (8)
2002 0.2% 131,000 * (7)
2002 0.2% 131,000 * (6)
2001 0.4% 246,000 * (5)
2001 0.3% 176,000 * (4)
2000 0.5% 280,000 * (3)
1997 0.4% * 224,000 (2)
1995 0.3% * 170,000 (2)
1993 0.2% * 100,000 (2)
Avg 0.4% 247,000 (1)
* This number has been extrapolated to enable comparisons between surveys. It is based upon the latest population estimates available and may therefore change over time.

Troutina
Apr 18th, 2006, 11:35 PM
I've met (what seems like) loads of vegans- but that maybe because I spend most of my time in Brighton, hanging out with veggies and vegans and go to a lot of gigs. The punk scene has a lot of vegans. For instance I know one person who is vegan that doesn't listen to punk. But I know about 20 vegans that do listen to punk. Especially in Austria. Though apparantly it's cool to be vegan and straight edge there.

Korn
Apr 19th, 2006, 08:18 AM
What do you think about the head-count for vegans being so low?
I think the main reason is that people act according to their habits, to what they have been brought up with, and not according to how they really want to live their lives.

Since many people focus on what most other people do, and (almost without noticing it) try to live the same way, actually focusing on how many people who are vegan and how many are not could be another reason... :)

the_red_star
Apr 19th, 2006, 10:19 AM
Hmm... maybe it's just government propaghanda to lower vegan moral, adopt a defeatist attitude and go back to eating meat and supporting the multinationals??! :confused: ....

... No? ok, well then i just like to think that although the numbers are low, they probably do not give an accurate representation (ok so maybe im in denial) and i like to think that everyday there is someone turning vegan and therefore increasing the numbers. Even if only a little.

I only know a handful of vegans at the most but many vegetarians. I think vegetarians are vegans in waiting so the numbers will undoubtedly increase at some point. i hope...

absentmindedfan
Apr 19th, 2006, 10:47 AM
How do they know? I've certainly never been asked!

Jane M
Apr 19th, 2006, 11:14 AM
I've been wondering that too!!!!! No one has surveyed me.:confused:

lozza
Apr 19th, 2006, 11:53 AM
i thought it was into the millions at least.

i dont know any other vegans..i know a few vegetarians though..but even THEY think i'm weird for being vegan :)

gogs67
Apr 19th, 2006, 11:56 AM
I've met (what seems like) loads of vegans- but that maybe because I spend most of my time in Brighton, hanging out with veggies and vegans and go to a lot of gigs. The punk scene has a lot of vegans. For instance I know one person who is vegan that doesn't listen to punk. But I know about 20 vegans that do listen to punk. Especially in Austria. Though apparantly it's cool to be vegan and straight edge there.

Snap.............and yeh,I wonder where they get the figures from because i havn't been asked and i can't think of any of my friends that are vegan mentioning being asked???:confused:

lozza
Apr 19th, 2006, 11:59 AM
same here..ive never been asked!

Cherry
Apr 19th, 2006, 12:10 PM
There seem to be massive regional variations.

I've met quite a few vegans - but have only met vegans 'by accident' in Cambridge. There was a vegan couple living down the road, a whole family in the next street and a few others in the neighbouring streets.

In comparison I haven't ever met a single vegan in the whole of Cumbria!

Risker
Apr 19th, 2006, 01:54 PM
I had a look around the FSA's website, from what I can work out they only survey about 2000 people which would explain the varied figures.

RedWellies
Apr 19th, 2006, 02:57 PM
I think half a million is quite a good amount!;)
Yeah, me too! Last I heard it was 250,000. Do we qualify as some kind of ethnic minority now??

gogs67
Apr 19th, 2006, 03:21 PM
Yeah, me too! Last I heard it was 250,000. Do we qualify as some kind of ethnic minority now??

haha..........that would be good.........i refuse to wear a motorbike helmet because there is leather in the lining and the law cant stop me!:D

boxinghefner
Apr 19th, 2006, 10:40 PM
I think half a million is quite a good amount!;)

it's good - but relative to the overall population it's kinda tiny! Size isn't everything of course, just find it interesting.

gogs67
Apr 19th, 2006, 11:17 PM
it's good - but relative to the overall population it's kinda tiny! Size isn't everything of course, just find it interesting.

To put it into perspective how many people ,say,go to church on a Sunday or go and watch live football on a Saturday afternoon in the UK..........the latest figures i can find is a church of England weekly attendance of 1.2 million and a figure of 1.6 million who attend football matches evey week!;) I think we're doing OK and,unlike the 2 examples mentioned,our figures are rising!:D