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snaffler
Nov 4th, 2009, 01:28 PM
I have a simple view of it, it contains lots of nutrition (the good ones) us vegans need, I buy it from a vegan company, nothing has died for it I have no problem with :0) happy days.

bellybuddha
Nov 4th, 2009, 02:09 PM
I can't see anything wrong with fake meat stuff. If it helps to encourage omni's to possibly convert then why not. Plus the fact that I can still remember what meat and fish tastes like and I did love the taste of it so have no problem when it comes to the taste, but obviously have a problem when it comes to killing for that taste. Making sense? anyhoo I know that it's not totally like meat but for those who kind of miss meat or fish it's a good alternative.

disney_mommy
Nov 4th, 2009, 03:18 PM
I think the veggie hot dogs sound yucky, because they look like the real things and I have a memory of what they taste like.

It took me several years after becoming a vegetarian before I would touch the vegetarian hamburgers. They reminded me of regular hamburgers and I had some kind of mental thing with those. I still sometimes can't get over the kind that have the "grill marks" on them.

At the beginning of my vegetarianism, I would tell people, I don't eat animal foods, why would I want to eat something that looks just like it? What's the point? But I can see how they would be helpful for someone who is having a hard time giving up meat and wants something that looks and maybe tastes "familiar."

Prawnil
Nov 4th, 2009, 04:03 PM
I am just stating my feelings on fake meat. My personal feelings. And asking if anyone else understands these feelings or can relate to them.I do/can. I don't eat them. I did once have a veganised english breakfast which included imitation bacon rashers with rind. I found that quite obscene and stupid.
I care about appearances to others beyond fundamental ingredients (can't stand realistic false leather etc.), but since any false-meat stuff would be something I'd be eating at home, that doesn't play much of a part. It's really because I think they're crap food. Well beyond the idea that a meal has to revolve around a stodgy, chewy, meat-like lump, I have no interest in cooking that way any more.

Barry
Nov 4th, 2009, 05:32 PM
I love them! I usually have a few veggie sausages at the weekend, and recently I've really been enjoying those Fry's Traditional Burgers. The only thing that stops me eating them is the fact that they're overpriced and they're total junk food, so they're best consumed in moderation. Out of curiosity, do those of you who avoid them because of their similarity to meat also avoid soya milk/yogurt etc. because of their similarity with dairy products?

Jiffy
Nov 4th, 2009, 06:16 PM
I'll probably get shot down in flames for this, but Really enjoy the 'meaty' faux meats', more to do with the texture than flavour really. I do find the meaty chompiness satisfying. I had some hot dogs for my breakfast at the weekend, served in crusty rolls, most excellent.

bellybuddha
Nov 4th, 2009, 06:24 PM
has anyone tried the chinese veggie faux meat stuff? it's usually made out of either gluten or soya. You can get sate and prawn like things made from either taro (which is yuck) or the nicer one made with bean curd skins yum.

leedsveg
Nov 4th, 2009, 06:36 PM
It's really because I think they're crap food. Well beyond the idea that a meal has to revolve around a stodgy, chewy, meat-like lump, I have no interest in cooking that way any more.

Plenty of diners who have eaten faux-meat in Manhattan restaurants may have trouble recognising your description. The food does not automatically have to be like that.

lv:)

Ms_Derious
Nov 4th, 2009, 07:34 PM
I'll probably get shot down in flames for this, but Really enjoy the 'meaty' faux meats', more to do with the texture than flavour really. I do find the meaty chompiness satisfying. I had some hot dogs for my breakfast at the weekend, served in crusty rolls, most excellent.

*gets out big gun*

I think you might like seitan then if you have never tried it. It's got that 'robust' texture and you have flavour it how you like :)


has anyone tried the chinese veggie faux meat stuff? it's usually made out of either gluten or soya. You can get sate and prawn like things made from either taro (which is yuck) or the nicer one made with bean curd skins yum.

There is a place near me called veggieworld (http://www.veggie-world.com/)which is mostly vegan (90%) and totally vegetarian who carries a lot of those things. You can buy online I think, but if you are ever passing near Milton Keynes, pop in... it's great.

BlackCats
Nov 4th, 2009, 07:40 PM
I have no problem with mock meats and I think some are delicious.:smile:


So I can see why fake meats get to some vegans. And I can see why they don't bother other vegans. I think it just depends on the person really.

I agree.:thumbsup:


*gets out big gun*

:lol: That's not very vegan of you! ;)

Prawnil
Nov 4th, 2009, 07:53 PM
Plenty of diners who have eaten faux-meat in Manhattan restaurants may have trouble recognising your description.
Point not taken at all. Manhattan restaurants??

The food does not automatically have to be like that. No. I don't bother with foods that are, though.

cobweb
Nov 4th, 2009, 08:48 PM
I'll probably get shot down in flames for this, but Really enjoy the 'meaty' faux meats', more to do with the texture than flavour really. I do find the meaty chompiness satisfying. I had some hot dogs for my breakfast at the weekend, served in crusty rolls, most excellent.


i love them too, very satisfying to eat :thumbsup:.

i was brought up on a high-meat diet and i loved the taste and texture of meat - it was only in my teenaged years when i found out what really happens to animals that i felt i couldn't continue the hypocrisy of loving them and eating them! :eek:.

i wish i liked the traditional stereotypical vegan foods more - lentils, pulses, etc, but i have to be honest and say that i really, really, enjoy fake 'meat' and 'cheese'.
however, when i was first vegan they weren't really around, so i know i could survive without them :D.

burl
Nov 4th, 2009, 09:02 PM
I totally agree. If i wanted to eat meat I would. I don't buy processed meat substitutes because I don't want meat in my diet. I don't miss it a know I don't need it.
I find it interesting how many vegans eat a ton of that crap. It's so expensive and processed. What's the point?
Be an herbivore not a fauxmeatavore.

MyInnerHippie
Nov 4th, 2009, 09:08 PM
I don't mind the faux meats. They are kinda pricey, so I buy them in small amounts. I like mixing up my diet with them, and they provide a good amount of added protein. I normally stick to Vegan Veggie Burgers, Vegan Meatballs, and I tried Vegan Chicken Patties one time. Oh, and Ive tried Boca Crumbles, which would be like Vegan ground beef. I wasn't to fond of them. Id have to say that the meatballs are my fave, I make a meat sauce out of them for pasta, and I make meatball sandwiches with melted soy mozzerella on top. Very Yummy!

I remember when I was 1 month into being Vegan I was sceptical about faux meats and cheese, because I didn't think I would like the way they tasted. But, your tastebuds adapt and after time they taste normal to you. As does tofu and soy milk. I love Silk Chocolate Milk, now, but at the beginning I thought it was awful!

I still have not tried seitan, and tempeh. But, I think I am going to make a Tofurky for Thanksgiving this year. My husband and I travel to a relatives house and I need to prepare and bring our food. It should be interesting. Has anyone had this before?

RubyDuby
Nov 4th, 2009, 09:27 PM
What's the point?
Be an herbivore not a fauxmeatavore.
because some of us enjoy them... and we are still herbivores. ;)

It's not like I only eat Boca and Gardenburger products. I have a veggie patty 3 or 4 times per week for lunch (whenever I bring lunch to work). A couple of times a month we'll have mock duck, or veggie dogs or veggie deli slices, or something similar, as a part of our dinner... along with vegetables and grains. I doubt anybody only eats "fake meat" or has it for the majority of their diet, but even if they do, if they don't eat or use animal products they're still vegan. :)

eta: I'm not implying anybody said they wouldn't be vegan. I just mean there's nothing morally wrong with eating those products, so what's the big deal if some of us do?

veganwitch
Nov 4th, 2009, 09:37 PM
But, I think I am going to make a Tofurky for Thanksgiving this year. My husband and I travel to a relatives house and I need to prepare and bring our food. It should be interesting. Has anyone had this before?

My husband and I love Tofurkey. I always make one for Thanksgiving, Christmas, and usually one or two other times a year. We don't care for the stuffing inside it though (and there isn't very much) so I always make one or two pans of my own stuffing on the side. Stuffing is my absolute favorite Thanksgiving dish anyway. Another thing, we think the tofurkey tastes even better reheated the next day. So if you are preparing it ahead of time to bring w/ you it should be even better.

I don't use as much faux meat as I used to but do enjoy it now and then. Some of the things like breakfast sausage patties and links I never even had pre-vegan so it isn't like I'm trying to recapture a taste I miss. It's just what I enjoy now and then.

RubyDuby
Nov 4th, 2009, 10:01 PM
^I feel the same way about vegenaise. I hated mayo!

bellybuddha
Nov 4th, 2009, 11:35 PM
*gets out big gun*

I think you might like seitan then if you have never tried it. It's got that 'robust' texture and you have flavour it how you like :)



There is a place near me called veggieworld (http://www.veggie-world.com/)which is mostly vegan (90%) and totally vegetarian who carries a lot of those things. You can buy online I think, but if you are ever passing near Milton Keynes, pop in... it's great.


OMG, thank you, thank you I was trying so hard today trying to think what that place was called that sells those veggie stuff. Hooray am going to do some online shopping me thinks. :):):)

leedsveg
Nov 5th, 2009, 01:13 AM
Point not taken at all. Manhattan restaurants??
No. I don't bother with foods that are, though.

I quoted Manhattan restaurants because Manhattan-NYC probably has more celebrated faux-meat restaurants than any other city in the Western Hemisphere.

Can I ask, Prawnil, if in your opinion, all faux-meat is per se crap food, or can it form part of a delicious, vegan meal?

leedsveg:)

harpy
Nov 5th, 2009, 01:42 AM
I prefer naturally-occurring stuff on the whole, but fake meat can be good for a change, especially if nicely prepared in a Chinese restaurant etc.

I don't think any omnivores are influenced either way when I eat it, but some people are probably more influential than what I am :D

Prawnil
Nov 5th, 2009, 01:45 AM
Can I ask, Prawnil, if in your opinion, all faux-meat is per se crap food, or can it form part of a delicious, vegan meal?

It's really because I think they're crap food. (Yes, crap & no, they don't play a delicious part of my vegan meals)

Mahk
Nov 5th, 2009, 04:37 AM
I like fox meat, um ,erm, I mean faux meat. My favorite is seitan.

gracealex
Nov 5th, 2009, 05:04 AM
I agree. I feel no reason to eat something that's imitating something that's wrong. Its almost as if by eating faux meat, to me, is like saying that there is a reason to eat meat and that's why it's recreated. And i don't want to eat something that is meant to taste like a dead animal.

Mahk
Nov 5th, 2009, 07:11 AM
I personally don't think "meat is wrong"; killing animals is wrong. When they successfully start making laboratory meat, which seems soon, I have no problem with people who call themselves vegan choosing to eat it. I'm not sure if I will but that's not in any way because I think it is "unethical", it's not, but rather because I just don't have a taste for it.

BlackCats
Nov 5th, 2009, 08:41 AM
I wouldn't say that seitan was mock meat. I thought people were discussing the mock meats that resemble meat like the bacon example that Prawnil described, I don't know why they have to put the "rind" on it either actually. When I eat something like a veggie burger or a veggie sausage I don't think it looks like meat because animals aren't born cut up into burger or sausage shapes. I eat prawn cocktail flavoured crisps too but I have no idea if they actually taste like a prawn.:dizzy: