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behindblueeyes
Dec 9th, 2009, 05:36 AM
I find a lot of non-veg people are confused by this. They tend to think vegan is synonymous with health freak. There are many people who have moral issues with meat, but still enjoy the flavor of it.
Personally, I will eat anything that's vegan. Mock meats were helpful when I was transitioning, but I use them much less now.

buttons
Dec 9th, 2009, 07:20 AM
I find a lot of non-veg people are confused by this. They tend to think vegan is synonymous with health freak.

My doctor looked at me like I was from Mars when I asserted that, yes, you can eat junk on a vegan diet!

Keyja
Jun 3rd, 2010, 08:59 AM
Personally, I don't mind eating fake meat at all. I grew up eating the real stuff, I was just mainly opposed to the conditions and abuse the animals were put in rather than the meat itself. I remember once when I was younger, I was about to cook a hot dog in the microwave, and my mom was like, "You know that's made from cow guts and leftovers, right?" I was like, "Eww! I'm never eating a hot dog again!" Then the next day I ate one. :undecided:

When I first went vegetarian, I did eat those quite a bit. But I've grown off of them since going vegan. I do still eat the alternatives, but not quite as much. Every once in a while. I'm really stuck on lentils right now. :rolleyes:

So, in regards to meat-alternatives, I don't have a problem at all.

Although I can definitely understand why some people can't stand to eat it. It's the animal meat that the companies are trying to mimic, and some people hate the fact of eating anything that resembles a dead cow or chicken.

Festered
Sep 30th, 2010, 12:03 AM
Is it bad (health wise) that I eat a packet of this, sometimes two packets, almost every day?
http://www.redwoodfoods.es/productdetails.php?cat=3&id=5

leedsveg
Sep 30th, 2010, 12:03 PM
Hi Festered

I know it may sound like a daft question but why do you eat one or two packets of these slices most days?

leedsveg:bigsmile:

Clueless Git
Sep 30th, 2010, 12:14 PM
Little snippet on faux-meats here ...

I have freinds who run an all vegetarian, mostly vegan, restaurant which specialises in very hight quality faux meat imported from the far East.

They have identified that their main market is NOT vegans and vegetarians. It is those who wish to move away from meat and need 'stepping stone' replacements for the foods they are used to and may not yet be ready to totally go without.

My own three kiddies were all raised vegetarian from birth as is my grandaughter. None of them, not having ever tasted meats, have no problem with the faux stuff. To them it's just flavours and textures that cannot be added to their meals, or not.

On t'other hand I do remember meat despite having been veggie and vegan for 23 years now. Stuff that tastes too much like the real thing still grosses me out.

Festered
Sep 30th, 2010, 11:21 PM
Hi Festered

I know it may sound like a daft question but why do you eat one or two packets of these slices most days?

leedsveg:bigsmile:

I have a packet of it at lunch, because most other things make me feel bloated and give me belly ache and I seem to feel sick at some point in the afternoon ( I have IBS) fake meats dont upset my stomach..and it's readily available as I work next to a shop that sells it.

leedsveg
Sep 30th, 2010, 11:48 PM
I have a packet of it at lunch, because most other things make me feel bloated and give me belly ache and I seem to feel sick at some point in the afternoon ( I have IBS) fake meats dont upset my stomach..and it's readily available as I work next to a shop that sells it.

Hi Festered

I'm really sorry to hear of your health problems. I wish I was able to give you helpful advice but I'm afraid I know little about IBS, other than a lot of people suffer from it. Hopefully some more knowledgeable forum members can help you regarding your diet.

Leedsveg

Festered
Sep 30th, 2010, 11:55 PM
:) Thank you
Any carb rich lunchtime foods seem to make me feel sick or bloated or just horrid...this includes pasta, all grains I have tried, bread etc. I could eat salad I suppose but it tends to go soggy and nasty in my bag lol

Andy_T
Oct 10th, 2010, 10:57 PM
Hi,

I like some veggie sausages and burgers - especially the 'chorizo' type sausages with lots of garlic and red pepper, but some of those contain so much fat that I was shocked to read the nutritional values. Also, when I first discovered those, I was totally impressed and tried every single type they had at the health food store ... munching them in the evening with a beer. I could not sleep that night, as it was wreaking havoc with my digestion and acidity level. So I eat those in moderation. Some of the more realistic (chicken/veal) really gross me out, as they are 'too close to the real thing' which I could not bring down. Fully knowing that they are vegan and no animals whatsoever suffered, I still could not eat them.

My kids (6&7), unfortunately are true masters at identifying vegan faux meat/fish products (they do not like them). I have 'forgotten' the real taste of most meat products after 20 years as vegetarian and 1 year as vegan, but educate me ... do burgers really taste like meat? I think they do not taste noticeably different from a veggie burger, they do not taste really very much at all, it is more the texture. At least that is my recollection of McD stuff I ate a lifetime ago.

Best regards,
Andy

ShadowTears
Oct 15th, 2010, 05:20 AM
The funny thing is she hasn't eaten meat since she was 6, so it's all in her head whether it tastes real or not. She doesn't like veggie dogs for example, bc they're "too real", and I can taste the soy in those!
^ I'd like to point out that I haven't eaten meat since I was 8 and I could always remember the taste vividly. Especially of hot dogs. I'm 16 now and the memories of the tastes are just now starting to fade a little bit, if any.

I understand where the OP is coming from but I agree with the majority that we aren't harming anyone to make these faux meats. And as people have said, it helps many people to wean themselves of meat. I enjoy veggie "meats" quite often because I grew up eating a ton of meat and junk food. Never ate healthily. I'm trying to do better but it's hard when you've grown up on junk food: pizzas, burgers, hot dogs, sugar, oil, fat and the like. I've ate veggie burgers ever since my brother introduced them to me, very nice of him seeing as he doesn't like my vegetarianism, veganism now, and often pokes "fun" at it. Again, I do see where you're coming from, it is quite odd to think that we want something to taste like dead body parts. But I am all for faux meats, though I know they are quite unhealthy and I hope to stop eating so many.

Neptunus
Oct 21st, 2010, 04:54 AM
It looks like I'm a little late to the party here, but here is my opinion on faux meats and suchlike:

The aesthetics of food matter to me. Many traditionally meaty meals are ingenious and classic forms of food. Let's take, for example, the humble hamburger. You can stick a mushroom in there, or make some sort of nut-based patty, but it's just not the same. For the same reasons that a chicken-based burger just isn't the same as a traditional burger (taste, texture, smell) despite being meat, anything that doesn't resemble a beefy patty just doesn't bring the experience of chowing down on a burger.
A lot of faux burgers get it right. Eating them is enjoyable, and that's why I eat them.
The same thing could be applied to a lot of dishes. The aesthetics of a certain dish may have been developed over generations, they just make sense as food. My taste-buds instantly spring to action when I think about 'em.

My rough view on food is, ultimately: If it's tasty and vegan and can fill my belly good, I'll probably stuff it down my gullet.

missbettie
Oct 21st, 2010, 10:52 PM
^ agreed!

ShadowTears
Oct 23rd, 2010, 10:34 AM
Hmm, never really thought of it that way Neptunus. That's very interesting, I suppose the appearance is very important.
However, some people dislike the texture and appearance of meat I might add. Take for example me and my mother, we both used to like meat loaf. So we tried using Morningstar Farms Crumbles for a veggie version. Now, it turned out quite nicely, except for one thing: We didn't like the texture because we felt it resembled meat too much. So some vegetarians/vegans dislike faux meats looking too much like real meat, but still enjoy them otherwise. This is coming from someone who used to love burgers and meat, but since going veg it seems I don't exactly like the texture and look of meat so much any more.