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Trendygirl
Jan 11th, 2005, 04:49 AM
Adidas Because of their use of Kangaroo skins!
http://www.vivausa.org/visualmedia/videos.html

Nike & The GAP for the use of sweat shops!

Nestle for there pushing of powdered baby milk onto the Indian population!

Coca Cola for steeling Indiaís water!

Almost all coffee houses for not paying the growers of their coffee a fair price!

Cancer research, Kidney research etc for testing on animals!

kriz
Jan 11th, 2005, 05:51 AM
Which clothing companies do not use sweatshops?? I feel very uninformed about this. I assume all the big ones like Old Navy, Gap, Forever 21 etc. do.
But if I buy clothes in a small private owned retail store what is the guarantee that it's not from a sweatshop too? The only difference might be that they get their garments from one sweatshop locally (LA has a few of them) and not from China. This issue feels rather frustrating and complicated.... :confused: Abercombie & Fitch are on my 'OK list' right know because of their refusal to buy Australian wool products...but then again, I'm not sure if their clothes are produced by slave labor or not..... :confused:

tails4wagging
Jan 11th, 2005, 07:00 AM
Proctor&Gamble - Vivisectors
Lever brothers - vivisectors
Loreal-vivisectors
Clairel- vivisectors
Boots- pharmacological, therefore support vivisection.
Most make up companies- vivisectors.
Farm shops- hunting, shooting etc.,
Adidas-kanagroo skins

That is some I can think of, of the top of my head.

Billy
Jan 11th, 2005, 07:17 AM
Kriz I think it is a complicated and confusing issue too. Personally I boycott all of the above mentioned companies, for the same reasons as already stated. But instead of Boots I go to Superdrug, another large chemist chain here. Now they've got quite a few products that are suitable for vegans, but at the same time an arsenal of own brand medication, that at some point also has been tested and contains every animal ingredient possible...???

I don't do any of the big sports brands anymore, as none of them are ethical, save for New Balance and I can't get them here in Manchester, funnily enough :(

My 'rule of thumb' when it comes to buying clothes is to check the label where it's been made. If it says China or Indonesia, for example, I just assume the worst, that it has been sweatshop manufactured. If you're wondering about a certain chain's ethics it's a question of contacting them and asking for their policies, altho I'm sure Nike and Gap will never admit to you that their products are sweatshop manufactured. Is there a consumer organisation where you are? You can try checking with them.

I'm sure that if you want to find out about a certain brand there'll be a source to get the info from, trick is to find the source first! My source is a friend of mine, who is extremely ethical (and I mean that in the nicest possible way) and a wizard when it comes to finding info on the net.

As for things like coffee and tea, I only buy fair trade, and preferably organic as well. Might be a bit more expensive, but that's only because the other stuff is so cheap because the growers got next to nothing for it!

See ya,
Billy

tails4wagging
Jan 11th, 2005, 07:20 AM
Shopping can be a nightmare out there. Takes me twice as long to do any shopping as I am constantly reading the labels.

When I get the chance, I stick stickers that says 'This product was tested on animals' on various items in shops.

Geoff
Jan 11th, 2005, 09:49 AM
I'm with Trendygirl and Tails.
I also boycott Shell because of their complicity with the Nigerian govt in the persecution of the Ogoni people and Union Carbide for what they did to the people of Bhopal.
I feel that I should also boycott Woolworths because they're insisting on building a store in Maleny which will destroy a platypus habitat.

Billy
Jan 11th, 2005, 10:04 AM
Oh, I'm boycotting $hell too, and E$$O (aren't they one and the same company? they're vile anyway.

Kevster
Jan 11th, 2005, 10:34 AM
I'm not sure that there is a good oil company, BP are busy exploiting Alaskan widerness, and a quick reading of the Corporation by Joel Bakan, sets out just one such example.

I don't have a car, instead I try to walk or cycle.

Supermarkets, truly awful establishments. Though i make the occasional visit.

Mcdonalds, Burger King......

Almost any large multi-national Corporation, where possible, because i just know they're up to no good, if they can possibly get away with it, and probably if they can't too.

Gorilla
Jan 11th, 2005, 01:04 PM
i subscribe to the Ethical Consumer magazine which evaluates companies based on their ethical policies. this and their book the Good Shopping Guide help me avoid companies with bad records on human/animal rights, the environment etc. this probably won't help anyone outside the UK much though because i think they only deal with brands available here (although some of these are obviously worldwide).

when i buy clothes i often buy second-hand from flea markets or charity shops - but i avoid those which test on animals. if i need something new i buy from ethical fair trade companies of which there are quite a few in the UK and i'm sure there are others around the world. some UK companies (most are mail order) include www.peopletree.co.uk www.bishopstontrading.co.uk www.traidcraft.co.uk the only thing with these companies is they often use wool and silk in their clothes, but a vegan fairtrade clothing company is www.ethicalwares.co.uk they are great. :D

i try to avoid most big companies and shops and use small independent shops as much as possible especially for food. i don't have a car either so don't have to give money to oil companies (except via the bus company - not much i can do about that).

Gorilla
Jan 11th, 2005, 01:06 PM
oh and i have to agree with Kev, the bigger the company, the worse their ethical policy is likely to be.

Trendygirl
Jan 11th, 2005, 02:17 PM
:confused: I agree that it is really confusing when it comes to buying clothes! Basically it is safe to say that all high street shops use sweat shops to some extent but some are worse than others. I mentioned the GAP as being a culprit but in fact shops like Topshop have in the past used a company in London who employed illegal immigrants and therefore the manufacturing company didnít treat them well. It is not just when you see that it was manufactured in places like china, if it says any country that doesnít have money such as Romania or the Ukraine you have to be very suspicious.

I tend to try buy second hand clothes or get cast offs from friends and in general just not buy many clothes. Itís a bit strange because I am doing a degree in the hope of entering the fashion and textile industry. I do my best to avoid the really big companies but sometimes I just have to buy some clothes so I will occasionally go so say H&M, I might go more than 6months before I buy from there. I am sure they use some sweat shops but hopefully not to the extent of say the GAP. (I am so ashamed that I do this but sometimes I have little choice)

It is tragic that in todayís current climate of consumers demanding cheap clothing that some small companies (not big chains) have no choice but to consider sweat shops. However big shops do have choice, they could pay the workers more and only lose a little of their huge profits. Donít forget that it is a good thing to have garments manufactured in small countries as long as they get paid fairly. :)

I also now boycott Converse shoes as they are now owned by Nike and they defiantly use sweat shops. Check out this link for an ethical alternative. :(

http://adbusters.org/home/

This is another good link that you can use to weigh up the pros and cons of each business.

http://www.ethicalconsumer.org/

Trendygirl
Jan 11th, 2005, 02:26 PM
I also try to make things, normally only bags and cushions as clothes just take far too long. To jazz clothes up I often buy second hand scarves and shawls to tie around my waste over jeans or skirts.

feline01
Jan 11th, 2005, 03:24 PM
I despise Walmart, they have destroyed small towns throughout the USA and treat their workers deplorably. Their work conditions are what has single-handlely lead to an increase in Medicaid (government subsidised medical coverage) and food stamps rolls. I also hate all oil companies but I do buy gas from BP. Hate Monsantano (GMO's/animal-testing), Proctor-Gamble (animal-testing), really any major corporation. Not many good ones out there. My main concern has always been my clothing. Since I'm a big woman, I don't have many options regarding where my clothes come from and I'm sure they are made in sweatshops. The only option I have is to make my own clothes. I don't know how to sew, took a class in grade school and paid a seamstress to make my outfit because I did such a horrible job.

kriz
Jan 11th, 2005, 04:37 PM
As I mentioned in my previous post they have sweatshops here in downtown Los Angeles. I've heard it is as bad conditions there as in some third world countries. But of course the label says 'made in USA' and we assume that it is produced under higher ethical standards.
I've talked to people who have witnessed the deplorable conditions in these factories and they were shocked that this is going on in our own city.
:mad: Well, we seem to have the highest homeless popualtion right here in Santa Monica too, but that's a whole other story............

bulletproof
Jan 12th, 2005, 12:08 AM
i don't like globalisation, especially when it comes to fast food chains like McDonalds and KFC- it is sick the way almost every country, no matter how beautiful, is now tainted by these. they suck away the culture and individuality of a place. also they are horrible and greedy corporations who exploit animals, the environment, and the hungryness of people who don't know better.

i don't drive but if i did i would boycott esso, for their greed and disrespect of the world and future generations.

nike because of the sweatshops (what gets to me the most is when i see all the indie/emo/rock kids with their converse, blegh, don't they know??).

any product made by proctor and gamble because they test on animals.

nestle for bringing their milk formula into third world countries and making a lot of babies very poorly.

John
Jan 12th, 2005, 12:20 AM
The evil-doers:
http://www.boycottbush.net/consumers.htm

PinkFluffyCloud
Jan 12th, 2005, 06:45 AM
I agree with all the above, but I think supermarkets are among the worst offenders. :mad:
Not only are they responsible for a hell of a lot of factory farming, and GMO crops, they have also driven many small outlets out of business.
Unfortunately, where I live, it would be difficult not to use a supermarket for buying Vegan stuff, which is one of the reasons I was so interested in going 'Raw'. I could just about manage to avoid the supermarkets for my own food, then, but would probably still have to use them for the rest of the family. :o

Gorilla
Jan 12th, 2005, 01:35 PM
thought this website might be interesting: www.nosweat.org.uk - a fair trade anti-sweatshop organisation with their own brand of t-shirts and other merchandise.

Gorilla
Jan 12th, 2005, 01:45 PM
oh yeah hemp clothes are usually pretty ethical - good for the environment, and fairly traded. there's a branch of the Hemp Shop in Brighton which sells some lovely clothes (although admittedly they aren't cheap) - and they're not just for hippies either ;) their website is www.thehempshop.co.uk :)

TheFirstBus
Jan 12th, 2005, 01:56 PM
In the time I have been vegan I have not had a chance to pick up any new clothes, so I will have to think long and hard about that when some cash comes in. I boycott tim hortons just because I used to work there and just despise them besides they are trying to make themsleves representers of Cananda. I don't want tim hortons to be the first thing that comes to mind when Canada is heard thats just sad. McDonalds of course. Now that I am sitting here reading and posting I may just add walmart to my list. I don't shop there often anyway but its like the only department store we have in town, its eating up a small town as we speak. If we had a little independantly owned grocery store here I would go there but until then you can find my in safeway reading the ingredients on every product I see.

feline01
Jan 12th, 2005, 04:11 PM
Here's a link (http://www.walmartsucks.org/) to some of the horror stories about Walmart. I really hate that store. They come under both discount crap store chain and grocery store since in many towns, they sell both and have eliminated all competition.

bulletproof
Jan 12th, 2005, 06:48 PM
the thing with supermarkets though is that the prices are better and they are easier to find therefore more convenient, especially when they deliver to your door- for example, most of the supermarkets now do vegan chocolate, biscuits and other free from foods as well as soya milk and chocolate soya milk all at FAR lower prices than what holland and barrett (sp?) sell them for.. hasn't been the best example because off the top of my head i am not sure on the exact difference in price but there definetely is one

PinkFluffyCloud
Jan 12th, 2005, 06:54 PM
I agree with you, Bulletproof, but I feel that buying from such places is at odds with the other things I do/don't do - buying from companies that make profit out of animal suffering. Just another reason to become 'self-reliant' if possible. :)
I like your (very large) avatar, Bulletproof, it's cute!.

bulletproof
Jan 12th, 2005, 07:05 PM
hihi thanks ^_^ it's a smilie from another forum

lvhatkent
Jan 13th, 2005, 02:47 AM
Let me think ... basically all of the "big guns" like Proctor & Gamble (you have to really watch them, they make a LOT of stuff from coffee to laundry detergent to cosmetics & otc pharmaceuticals). I only take medications if absolutely necessary because the US government won't allow any of them to be released without animal testing. When I buy cosmetics, I watch for cruelty-free companies. And, of course, I don't ever spend my hard earned cash at fast food places like McDonald's, BK, etc. If anyone is having a hard time giving that up, check out Supersize Me ... I rented it from the video store. You'll never eat at McD's again.

I try to keep tabs on the updates from PETA so I have pretty accurate information on who's vivisecting & who isn't & who won't commit one way or the other. I consider the "non-commited" automatic "no's" even if they aren't currently testing on animals. As for food, I buy almost exclusively organics except for the stuff I buy in summer from locals who grow them in their back yard & sell them in front of their houses. Then, I buy as much as I can and freeze it for winter. I make my own bread & other baked goods and with not buying meats or cheeses, that doesn't leave much left. I do almost all of my shopping at my local health food store, which is run by vegans so they only stock appropriate products. I guess I'm lucky that way. How about everyone else?

Leah