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Aug 6th, 2004, 08:19 PM
Apparently, these children's constipation was a result of a severe milk allergy.
Long story short, my daughter has this. She suffered for over three years (and she is only just under four years old) with severe problems, crying for hours, etc. She went through all kinds of tests and medication and pain because they didn't know what was wrong with her ... Finally one stray doctor thought to mention that maybe, just maybe, it was a milk allergy ... We removed milk from her diet, and she is completely better. I cannot believe what a difference it has made.

All of the various 'milk is good' type adverts just make me cringe now.

Aug 10th, 2004, 01:45 AM
From what I have read, the calcium that is in milk is in a portion of the milk that is indigestion and basically comes out without being fully absorbed. The calcium in milk is kind of similar to the protein in meat- it's high in that nutrient, but when you balance that with the amount of fat, cholesterol, etc., it's really not that healthy. There are ways to get your calcium and protein in much healthier forms (ie oh-so-lovely soy, green veggies, nuts, etc).
When people don't understand that humans are not meant to consume dairy, I give them this example. Vets tell pet owners to not let their cats or dogs consume dairy, because dairy will give them diarrhea. As most people know, cats and dogs still *love* the taste of dairy, and drink/eat it even though it's not digestible or healthy for them. The same goes for humans. We started consuming it because it was yummy, not because it served any healthful purpose. The "consuming dairy is natural" argument doesn't even have as much of a basis as the "eating meat is natural" argument.

Kiva Dancer
Aug 10th, 2004, 05:10 PM
I think that cow milk is nothing more than white death. The more I read about milk, the more I know that my feelings are correct.

Aug 14th, 2004, 12:10 PM
"I know hundreds of people who have spent years and thousands of dollars on tests looking for ulcers or spastic bowels. I tell them to lay off all dairy products for two weeks. The results are usually so striking that it changes thier lives." - David Jacobs

Aug 14th, 2004, 12:12 PM
I think drinking other species breast milk punishes itself!

Aug 14th, 2004, 12:20 PM
Look at this

"In Greece the average milk consumption doubled from 1961 to 1977 (21) (and was even higher in 1985), and during the period 1977 - 1985 the age adjusted osteoporosis incidence almost doubled too. (22)

In Hong Kong in 1989 twice as much dairy products were consumed as in 1966 (21) and osteoporosis incidence tripled in the same period. (23) Now their milk consumption level is almost "European", and so is osteoporosis incidence. (24)

It is very simple: where the most milk is consumed, the osteoporosis incidence is highest. Compared to other countries, the most milk is consumed in Sweden, Finland, Switzerland and The Netherlands (300 to 400 kg / cap / year), and osteoporosis incidence in these countries has sky rocketed. (25)

Like Australians and New Zealanders, (26) Americans consume three fold more milk than the Japanese, and hip-fracture incidence in Americans is therefore 2 1/2 fold higher. (27) Among those within America that consume less milk, such as the Mexican-Americans and Black Americans, osteoporosis incidence is two-fold lower than in white Americans, (28) which is not due to genetic differences. (29)

In Venezuela and Chile much less milk is consumed than in the US, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland, while the hip fracture incidence in Venezuela and Chile is over 3 fold lower. (61)

Chinese consume very little milk (8 kg / year),¾ and hip-fracture incidence, therefore, is among the lowest in the world; hip-fracture incidence in Chinese women is 6 fold lower than in the US. (30) (The average American consumes 254 kg milk / year)

The less milk consumed, the lower is the osteoporosis rate. (31)In other countries where very little milk is consumed, on the average, as in Congo (32), Guinea (33) and¾ Togo (34) (6 kg / year) osteoporosis is extremely rare too.

In the Dem. Rep. Congo, Liberia, Ghana, Laos and Cambodia even less milk is consumed (average person: 1 to 3 kg a year !!), and they've never even heard of age-related hip fracture."


I don't think they have made these statistics up or something...? So could anyone help me out??

Aug 14th, 2004, 12:24 PM
I don't know what to believe!!

DontJustDoSomething, SitThere
Aug 14th, 2004, 07:04 PM
Hi animalsvoice, I've heard the same thing always - that countries that consume a lot of dairy products have a lot more of these problems than people who consume no or little cow milk. I see no reason to suspect the numbers you quoted to be false?

Aug 16th, 2004, 11:36 AM
Neither do I.. But why do people ("vegetarians") keep drinking milk etc? Most people think this article is a joke or something, and we need lots of calcium... I don't think so, but I don't know either. I just find what they're saying in the article very probable.

DontJustDoSomething, SitThere
Aug 16th, 2004, 12:17 PM
But why do people ("vegetarians") keep drinking milk etc? Yeah, that's a very good question. This (http://www.all-creatures.org/mfz/health-foodseduction.html) could partially explain it.

DontJustDoSomething, SitThere
Aug 17th, 2004, 08:51 PM
Maybe I should mention that I've been rather addicted to dairy products myself, I know what it feels like to crave melted cheese! It's weird how the cravings just disappear after a little while, to me, this confirms Dr. Barnard's theory about the addictiveness of cow milk. After I quit dairy for good, I've never wanted to go back. Just like human babies and their mother's breasts :)

Oct 31st, 2004, 12:23 AM
[QUOTE=Veggie4Life139]What do you all think about milk? I know that you are all vegans, but do you really think milk is bad for you? Or do you think it's good for you but it's against your beliefs? (I'm not sure if that's true for any of you, I just want your opinion.)

Yes, I do think milk is bad for a person's health. It caused my son to have recurrent ear infections, colds, eczema, constipation, and god only knows what else it did to the rest of his body that I wasn't aware of. Cow's milk is the number one cause of anemia in children because it causes your stomach and intestines to bleed, and it is filled with saturated fat and cholestoral not to mention the hormones and pus. Also 80% of the cows in America that are providing humans with milk are infected with bovine lukemia, I imagine that can't be a good thing...

Oct 31st, 2004, 12:33 AM
Cow's milk is designed for cows. It's sad to see mothers feeding another species milk to their babies, instead of their own.
Also, the dairy industry is inextricably connected to the meat industry.
Go Robert Cohen and his Notmilk site! :)

Oct 31st, 2004, 03:53 AM
Breaking the Food Seduction by Dr Barnard is one of the best books around, and if a reader is not convinced, well pity for them.

Oct 31st, 2004, 03:56 AM
I just bought this book: "The Weaning of America: The Case Against Dairy Products and 12 Other Essays on Ethics, Animals, and Planetary Survival"
Don Lutz.

I think it's going to be a good one! I love the title. LOL ;)

Oct 31st, 2004, 05:40 AM
I just bought this book: "The Weaning of America: The Case Against Dairy Products and 12 Other Essays on Ethics, Animals, and Planetary Survival"
Don Lutz.

I think it's going to be a good one! I love the title. LOL ;)

I do, too. Where did you get it, online? I know I wouldn't be able to get it at my library.

Oct 31st, 2004, 08:10 AM
Most people just accept that milk is a 'normal', 'healthy' food stuff, don't they?
They just don't think about it's real purpose atall.
Only the other day my son was told by his teacher how good cheese is for him. :mad:
I am sure a lot of bone problems stem from lack of exercise, overweight, unhealthy lifestyles and unsuitable work environments.

Oct 31st, 2004, 02:25 PM
Yes, I got it on Amazon! :)

It's my understanding that bone problems also stem from an omnivorous diet. The body releases calcium from the bones in response to all of that excess protein consumption.

Nov 1st, 2004, 01:39 AM
Yes, I got it on Amazon! :)

It's my understanding that bone problems also stem from an omnivorous diet. The body releases calcium from the bones in response to all of that excess protein consumption.

Well, the 'protein' isn't really the reason, it's a pH imbalance (although dairy and dead animals have all sorts of other negative health issues). The human digestive system can't deal with the acidic nature of dairy or dead animal flesh. It's not discussed often, but the human stomach and digestive system is only good at neutralizing plant acids, and the human body has a pH in line with other fruit and succulent vegetable consuming herbivores (7.4). When you eat a highly acidic diet like one with animal products, grains, and refined sugar, your body spends massive amounts of calcium trying to equalize your blood pH. This never really stops with people who consume dialy meals with animal products, so osteoporosis is a result. If you eat a highly acidic vegetarian diet (say tons of sugars and grains), then you will not only suffer a similar fate, but will also suffer from malnutrition like most dead animal eaters. Of course it's impossible to eat an alkaline cadaver and pus dominated diet, where it's really easy to eat an alkaline plant based diet.


Nov 1st, 2004, 06:13 AM
This is very interesting, as it's a problem for women in my family, - another good reason for me to cut out sugar. I will try again, thanks!!

Nov 1st, 2004, 03:08 PM
The best answer I have heard regarding Cows Milk is the one Gareth Zeal gave this weekend at the Bristol Vegan Fayre - Humans are not supposed to drink cows milk, Cows Don't even drink cows milk only growing calves for about 8 weeks.

Then they move on to a vegan diet of grass, apart from factory farmed cows the organic kept cows always look very well.....with out drinking their own milk.

Apart from that the Use of Posimatt Step 2 in 99% of UK milk is enough to make any milk drinker think twice.

Nov 5th, 2004, 06:15 AM
I think what you are saying is true, Artichoke, and you, too Phillip888, because animal proteins are much higher in sulphur and this makes human blood acidic (a weak form of sulphuric acid) which then causes the calcium loss from the bones.

Nov 5th, 2004, 09:03 AM
I'd say I'm 27% more right than Artichoke47 :D

Dec 7th, 2004, 07:36 PM
People drinking cow's milk is like cows drinking people's milk. It's totally unnatural.....Has anyone ever wondered who the first person was who discovered that cow's milk tasted good? Do you think somebody just stuck their heads under the cow's teat, and started sucking on it? (lol) Just a thought.....

Dec 7th, 2004, 09:02 PM
I was just thinking this today - who had the bright idea to eat another animal, or an egg, or some teat milk??? Ugghhh! :mad:
(Had to be a man who invented that last one! :D )