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Kerio
Jan 18th, 2006, 09:52 AM
People just keep making up more and more terms to change the term "vegetarian". It's like saying :"I'm vegetarian and only eat fruits and vegetables, including fish."

Like, what the heck?! Last I checked fish wasn't a vegetable. :rolleyes:

veganrockchick
Jan 18th, 2006, 09:43 PM
The 'semi vegetarians' have other caterogories like lacto-vegetarianism. I just wish they didnt use the word vegetarian!

KarmaGirl
Jan 20th, 2006, 06:53 PM
My mother just gave me a vegetarian cook book and it actually says there are a variety of semi-vegetarians. One is called a mollo-vegetarian, which is a vegetarian who consumes clams, scallops, oysters and other mollusks. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

"Vegetarian Times Complete Cookbook" page 15

I was actually reading a "healthy" vegetarian site that suggested eating fish for the healthy fat. I thought "WHAT??????" It seems like there are many people confused on what a vegetarian (and especially vegan) should eat.

I really hate the term "semi-vegetarian". It's like saying you are a "semi-serial killer".

Yoggy
Jan 20th, 2006, 07:32 PM
I really hate the term "semi-vegetarian". It's like saying you are a "semi-serial killer".
LOL :D

xwitchymagicx
Jan 24th, 2006, 09:06 PM
People just keep making up more and more terms to change the term "vegetarian". It's like saying :"I'm vegetarian and only eat fruits and vegetables, including fish."

Like, what the heck?! Last I checked fish wasn't a vegetable. :rolleyes:

Wow? I'd never have realised a fish wasn't a vegetable!! :rolleyes: lol I've never understood how one can be a vegetarian but eat fish...fish are living animals. :confused: Oh well I'll be confused forever. :rolleyes:

rujoon
Jan 25th, 2006, 09:34 AM
Some info on mollusks... if anyone bothers to read :D
http://sps.k12.ar.us/massengale/mollusk_notes_b1.htm

Seaside
Jan 25th, 2006, 08:09 PM
Some info on mollusks... if anyone bothers to read :D
http://sps.k12.ar.us/massengale/mollusk_notes_b1.htm
Thanks Rujoon, I did! I love the beautiful pictures on that site. Though I could never study biology, on account of using live specimens, I loved palaeontology, which is the study of fossils. Sea life fascinates me! :)

rujoon
Jan 26th, 2006, 01:16 PM
:) I am glad u like it. I like palaeontology too when I was young, I was fascinated by dinosaurs and wanted to be a palaeontologist back then. :D

Cairidh
Mar 26th, 2006, 10:22 AM
Wild mussells are dredged which harms the environment and kills other sealife. Make sure you buy farmed mussells.

No you're not vegan if you eat shellfish but its his choice to eat them. He doesnt think they're conscious so his conscience is clear. Maybe he's right, maybe it's the same as eating plants. I disagree - I think they are conscious creatures and I'd never in a million years eat them. But I can understand him eating them if he thinks they're the same level of life as plants.
But it isnt fair to call yourself vegan if you eat shellfish because it breeds misunderstanding among meateaters.

Everyone has to draw the line somewhere. I draw it at bacteria in spirit and at plants in practise because I've tried to be fruitarian and failed. :(

Seaside
Mar 26th, 2006, 09:53 PM
No you're not vegan if you eat shellfish but its his choice to eat them. He doesnt think they're conscious so his conscience is clear.
No, its not his choice, any more than it is my choice to go to the hospital and carve a steak off a brain dead human on life support.

Happiness
Mar 27th, 2006, 08:49 PM
Wild mussells are dredged which harms the environment and kills other sealife. Make sure you buy farmed mussells.

I just have to throw this in...don't buy, eat, support farmed mussels either. They are just as disastrous on the environment as dredging for wild ones. Nitrous waste run-off, changing the flow of the river, changing the pH of the water, changing the formation of the river bed...the list runs on and on. So....that's my two and three cents.

Cairidh
Mar 28th, 2006, 03:03 AM
Oh :(
I just read an article about which is the best seafood for the environment and it said farmed mussells and scallops.
So I dread to think what the others are like!!!!!!!
:(

herbwormwood
Mar 28th, 2006, 01:04 PM
Could you say where the article was which you read so we can read it too and see if it is correct? Because I have read very bad things about the environmental consequences of shrimp farming and salmon farming. I would like to see the article you read. A web link would be ideal if you could do that.

satirecafe
Jan 17th, 2007, 11:22 PM
someone told me that clams don't have a central nervous system and aren't even considered animals. is this true??:confused: i tried to google clams but there really isn't anything useful. just recipes for cooking them.

fiamma
Jan 17th, 2007, 11:27 PM
Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clam)is your friend ;) .

Clams are shelled marine or freshwater mollusks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mollusk) belonging to the class Bivalvia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bivalvia) (Kingdom Animalia, Phylum Mollusca[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clam#_note-0)). While the term "clam" has no taxonomic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxonomy) significance in biology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology), in general use, the term clam refers to a bivalve (a mollusk whose body is protected by two symmetrical shells) that is not an oyster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyster), mussel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mussel), or a scallop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scallop), and that has a more-or-less oval shape, or alternately, to a freshwater mussel (Merriam-Webster Dictionary (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary).). Clams are invertebrates, with shells divided into two pieces called valves. These pieces are joined with a hinge joint, and with two adductor muscles that open and close the shells. Clams have a heart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart), blood vessels, and kidneys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidneys). An exception to the oval shape is the razor clam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Razor_Clam), which has an elongate shell suggesting a straight razor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_razor). Some quahogs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quahog) on the Eastern American Coast may be 200 years old.

karmadust
Jan 17th, 2007, 11:40 PM
clams are animals because they eat other organisms. plants make their own food, animals obtain it from an outside source.

which, when considered from an entirely outside ethical perspective with no knowledge of the way the world "really" works, seems kind of ironic. you'd think vegans would be against eating creatures which harm none (plants) and for eating creatures which readily murder others (animals). not that i'm advocating this, haha. but you'd think we'd be all for honoring the peaceful species! i wonder if there is a diet out there which only consumes carnivores.....

herbwormwood
Jan 19th, 2007, 01:38 PM
someone told me that clams don't have a central nervous system and aren't even considered animals. is this true??:confused: i tried to google clams but there really isn't anything useful. just recipes for cooking them.

They have a nervous system.
Here is a diagram of it.
http://www.manandmollusc.net/advanced_introduction/bivalve_ns.html
Clams are bivalves.
And yes, they are animals.
see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bivalvia
look on the right hand side of the page and see they are in the "kingdom" animalia.

herbwormwood
Jan 19th, 2007, 01:52 PM
clams are animals because they eat other organisms. plants make their own food, animals obtain it from an outside source.

which, when considered from an entirely outside ethical perspective with no knowledge of the way the world "really" works, seems kind of ironic. you'd think vegans would be against eating creatures which harm none (plants) and for eating creatures which readily murder others (animals). not that i'm advocating this, haha. but you'd think we'd be all for honoring the peaceful species! i wonder if there is a diet out there which only consumes carnivores.....


Wikipedia has a good explanation of what makes a plant a plant rather than an animal.
You may find it useful;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant#Classification

Haniska
Jan 23rd, 2007, 03:54 PM
I ate clams as a young "vegetarian" but my fiance told me one day that they "have a little foot and use it to escape" so I stopped. Anything that can run from danger is inedible in my book.

humansituation
May 8th, 2008, 03:41 PM
Apparantly it's ethically sound to eat oysters because they don't have a brain or a nervous system. Despite such news I'm certainly not about to start.
What are your thoughts on the matter?

Please note that I have never, nor shall ever eat an oyster

RedWellies
May 8th, 2008, 03:45 PM
Apparantly it's ethically sound to eat oysters Says who? No-one on here I wouldn't think!:)

Risker
May 8th, 2008, 03:47 PM
Here's a thread on it - http://www.veganforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3493

The guy that started the whole thing seems to have deleted all his posts last month for some reason though...

Cumin
May 8th, 2008, 03:47 PM
Oysters are part of the animal kingdom.
What more do you need to know?

harpy
May 8th, 2008, 03:48 PM
Sorry to contradict, but as I understand it they do have a nervous system - they just don't have a central nervous system (brain and spinal cord - well obviously they don't have a spinal cord!).

Wikipedia has a description of the nervous system they do have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bivalve

I have seen people asserting that they don't feel pain but I don't think that follows from the fact that their nervous system isn't much like ours.

Sarah_
May 9th, 2008, 01:39 AM
Well I ain't eating any oysters.