Atkins

[tails4wagging]

What an irresponsible doctor!!!.

If he eats the right kind of 'good fat' polunsaturated (I think its called) he will be ok. He should demand to see a dietition which the doctor could arrange.

[tails4wagging]

Ps , by the way, I love your username, very clever. :)

[Mystic]

I don't have any advice, I am afraid - but maybe you could inform your friend that Dr Atkins died of heart disease!

[gertvegan]

Former Dieter Will Have His Day in Court, January 5, 2005, PCRM (http://www.pcrm.org/cgi-bin/lists/mail.cgi?flavor=archive&id=20050105140240&list=news)

WEST PALM BEACH, FLORIDA—A Florida judge has just denied Atkins Nutritionals’ second attempt to have a groundbreaking lawsuit against it dismissed. The lawsuit was filed last May by Jody Gorran, a former dieter who developed a life-threatening artery blockage after following the high-fat fad diet for two-and-half years. Palm Beach County judge Susan Lubitz also ruled that Atkins must comply with Gorran’s requests for documents, answers to written questions, and depositions of senior Atkins officials. The rulings mean that the lawsuit will move forward towards trial and the discovery phase will commence, during which Gorran, 53, will seek support for his contention that the privately-held corporation knowingly misled the public about the high-fat diet’s potential dangers.

“The judge’s ruling is good news for the little guy and bad news for unscrupulous companies cashing in on people’s weight problems,” says former dieter Jody Gorran. “This case could be the final nail in the low-carb coffin.” Recent news reports have focused on the decreasing popularity of the diet and the financial troubles of Atkins Nutritionals.

Judge Lubitz denied Atkins Nutritionals’ first motion to dismiss in November soon after hearing oral arguments presented by Dan Kinburn, representing Jody Gorran, and Martin Reeder for Atkins Nutritionals. Kinburn is senior counsel for Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine.

In both attempts to have Gorran’s case thrown out of court, Atkins Nutritionals had argued that the company was protected under the first amendment. But case law strongly supports Gorran’s lawsuit. For example, in U.S. v. Schiff, the U.S. Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit, ruled against the publishers of The Federal Mafia, a book promoting a tax evasion scheme, finding that commercial speech can be enjoined if it is fraudulent. In another well known case, Braun v. Soldier of Fortune Magazine, the court found that advertising murder-for-hire is not accorded free-speech protection.

Gorran argues that the Atkins diet caused him to develop severe coronary disease, including dramatically elevated cholesterol levels, crushing chest pains, and a potentially fatal arterial blockage requiring an angioplasty and a stent. A heart scan done prior to Gorran beginning the diet showed no signs of heart disease. He is asking that all Atkins products and books be required to carry warning labels. He is seeking less than $15,000 in damages.

Previously poste in wrong thread, doh!

[gertvegan]

British dieters' fascination with the Atkins diet could be over, with the company appointing an administrator for the UK arm of its business.

Read all about it, read all about it. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4354279.stm)

So was this, doh! doh!

[feline01]

Garlic lowers cholesterol as does a.....vegan diet!. His doctor is completely irresponsible. Most of the HIV medications have as a side-effect elevated cholesterol and many people with HIV die from massive heart attacks due to elevated cholesterol. His doctor should be advising him to avoid saturated fats, animal proteins and trans-fats. There are loads of books out now dealing with diets and auto-immune deficiency issues. Maybe you could buy your friend one of these books? Maybe something like this: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1560238933/qid=1111245342/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/104-2409774-6991147?v=glance&s=books

[Geoff]

From todays Brisbane Sunday Mail:
'A waiter at a Californian Sizzler was arrested last year following a fight with some Atkins-diet customers over whether vegetables could substitute for potatoes.
Participants in web-based forums sympathised with the young man's saga, although all agreed he took it too far in following the customers home and covering their house in flour, maple syrup and instant mashed potato.'

[Peas'nHominy]

Thanks y'all!! I feel better knowing that I'm not just being...weird, in my being upset over this. :D ..... :( sigh


I WILL check out those books. Maybe I can get some data together on this subject to pass on to him, and then maybe he might be willing to do some reading on it for himself. Unfortunately, he's very hard headed :rolleyes: but so am I ! :p :D

[spo]

Garlic lowers cholesterol as does a.....vegan diet!. His doctor is completely irresponsible. Most of the HIV medications have as a side-effect elevated cholesterol and many people with HIV die from massive heart attacks due to elevated cholesterol. His doctor should be advising him to avoid saturated fats, animal proteins and trans-fats. There are loads of books out now dealing with diets and auto-immune deficiency issues. Maybe you could buy your friend one of these books? Maybe something like this: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1560238933/qid=1111245342/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/104-2409774-6991147?v=glance&s=books

Yes P&H, Feline01 has it right. This is the best advice and boy, let me add that I am shocked, too, by the terrible advice your friend's doctor gave him. BTW, the garlic will help raise his non-specific immunity, too.
I think we can say, with assurance, that the HIV meds are the cause of this troubling elevation in cholesterol. Feline01's book suggestion is good, and eating right, will, not only, help lower cholesterol, but also keep him stronger and healthy.
One more thing, I do think he does probably need a vegan protein supplement to augment the attack on his immune cells. He needs the amino acid building blocks to replace his cells.
spo

[gertvegan]

March 21, 2005, www.pcrm.org (http://www.pcrm.org/cgi-bin/lists/mail.cgi?flavor=archive&id=20050321124243&list=news)

Lawyers for Diet Giant Concede in Court that Diet May Be Dangerous; Attorneys Attempt to Quash Release of Potentially Damaging Documents, Studies on Atkins Diet Safety

PALM BEACH, FLORIDA—Seeking to quash the release of what are sure to be damaging and embarrassing documents on the safety and efficacy of the famed Atkins diet, lawyers for Atkins Nutritionals, Inc., admitted last Monday in court that they are willing to “assume the diet is dangerous”—the first public admission of any kind that dieters following the Atkins Diet may face real and severe health risks.

In a hearing before Palm Beach County Judge Susan Lubitz on March 14, Atkins’ lawyers argued that discovery—the pretrial exchange of information between parties under court supervision—on matters relating to the diet’s safety was unnecessary because they were prepared to concede that the regimen does pose health risks for purposes of an upcoming motion. Atkins’ attorneys sought to avoid discovery, asking the court instead to move directly to arguments as to why the case should be dismissed.

Judge Lubitz rejected Atkins’ argument, ruling that she needed to hear the plaintiff’s discovery requests first. She ordered discovery to proceed as part of the lawsuit filed last year by Jody Gorran, a Florida businessman who developed near-fatal heart disease after two years on the high-fat, low-carbohydrate Atkins Diet.

Attorneys for Atkins now face a March 29 court-ordered deadline to respond to Mr. Gorran’s motion to require Atkins to produce relevant documents and information dealing with the diet’s safety and on the marketing of the Atkins Diet books and food products as safe.

“Atkins’ conspiracy of silence is about to crack wide open,” said Dan Kinburn, Gorran’s lead attorney and senior counsel for the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine. “We contend that Atkins has known for years, if not decades, that the regimen poses a real danger to significant numbers of dieters and has suppressed that information for commercial gain.”

Among the information requested in discovery, said Kinburn, are the complete medical records of the late Dr. Robert Atkins, inventor of the Atkins Diet. Atkins died in April 2003 in a fall outside his New York offices. Medical records taken by the NY medical examiners office show that Atkins was overweight at the time of his death, tipping the scales at nearly 260 pounds, and may have had cardiovascular disease.

There has long been speculation that Atkins suffered from coronary artery disease. A year before his death, he suffered a cardiac arrest while waiting for breakfast. Atkins and his private physician issued statements claiming that the episode was caused by cardiomyopathy, an inflammation of the heart muscle, and not the result of arterial blockage.

[Seaside]

Yay! (http://enews.earthlink.net/article/top?guid=20050731/42ec4cc0_3ca6_1552620050731-145104733)

[Roxy]

Well - perhaps the craze is over! :D

[tails4wagging]

Thank goodness for that!!!! :)

[Tofu Monster]

excellent. stupid unnatural diet.

[Kiran]

Hah!! :) Perhaps we should all bombard them with e-mails embarrasing them and their stupid diet. Atkins was pathetic...

[Mystic]

You know, I kind of like the thought of clogging my arteries with butter, cheese and animal fat, being constipated from lack of fibre and the bad breath that accompanies this diet. No f**king wonder they went broke.

[Kiran]

There were on a mission to make money and kill people.

[veganator]

Read it and cheer:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=509&e=6&u=/ap/20050801/ap_on_bi_ge/atkins_bankruptcy

[Kiran]

High time :)

[librahi]

There were on a mission to make money and kill people.

suits me fine, kill off the meat-eaters, then the vegans take over the new friendly world!

[Kiran]

suits me fine, kill off the meat-eaters, then the vegans take over the new friendly world!

I don't mind the meat eaters dying because they eat animals. It is the animals killed that I am worried about. ;)

[coconut]

That's a surprise. The Atkins diet is virtually a household name. Odd that they've lost all their money. Still I'm glad to see them go. Anyone who takes advantage of peoples low self-esteem deserves all they get. Next I hope they file for super-duper bankruptcy :)

[rainbow]

Good bloody riddance. I think the Atkins diet is an exemplary example of how badly some people understand nutrition. (The same people that then turn round and ask me if I'm anaemic/undernourished/at death's door for eating my healthy, well-balanced vegan diet). Not to mention the fact that it's absolutely disgusting! :eek:

[mophoto]

i heard on npr that the adkins company is filing for bankruptcy (i can't spell)


i was so excited to hear that. i flipped through an adkins book and it said that if you are a vegetarian that you may want to rethink it, to loose weight.

hate that bastard.

i had to go out and buy new jeans today because i lost a whole size!!! only being vegan for a month.

i should write an anti adkins vegan diet book once i loose all my cheese and egg weight.

[Kim[ba]]

Well, I don't really disagree with that statement. If your vegetarian to loose weight then maybe you should re-think it. We should all think and re-think about what and why we eat the foods we choose. We live in the 21st century and have access to foods from all over the world. Also that statement has some merit, vegetarians eat cheese and eggs, so if someone becomes vegetarian to loose weight and starts going nuts on eggs, cheese and milk then chances are they will gain weight. It's also possible, but I think more difficult to become overweight on a vegan diet. There are multiple factors and mind sets that effect our eating, not just the elimination of certain foods.

Wow, that was a mouthful wasn't it lol. That being said, I'm not really surprised the whole using a calculator to see if you could eat a cheese bagel thing died out. I knew it eventually would but I'm surprised it's come this early. People are becoming more aware of what they eat, and I pray that they let their hearts, and not their calculators guide them. :)