Fruitarian / Fruitarianism

[Korn]

It's a very tragic story. These parents may have had little knowledge about nutrition (they were from Armenia, a country where knowledge about vegan nutrition is practically non-existent) - but I'm sure they did what they did because they wanted the best for their child.

It's tragic that this case is described as 'child cruelty' - and that the judge said that "You will continue to be punished by the consequences of your actions". Maybe it was meant only as an explanation for why they didn't get a kail sentence, but this must have been very difficult for the parents. The mother kept sleeping on the blanket that last held her baby, and was described as a very loving parent. I read that she had been having suicidal thoughts after her baby died in 2000, and was found dead 2003.

[veganesh]

Fruitarian diet includes whatever the plant freely gives
.. from a tree, bush, vine, or plant

This includes seeds, nuts,
lima beans, soybeans, soymilk etc etc.

The BBC ,linked to British beef and promoter of the war in Iraq, is quick to point to this... but negligent in
mentioning the countless tens of thousands of child deaths from leukemia and other
animal product related diseases.

http://fruitarians.blogspot.com

[veganesh]

re Harpy on B 12


Vegan B12 is Hydroxylcobalamin

How does this relate to animals? Scientists paid by animal abuse
corporations maintain that vegans have a B12 problem

Vegan B12 is hydroxylcobalamin
which is more efficient than meateater b12: cyanocobalamin.

Vegan blood looks more purplish...
Vegans' blood has more red blood cells per cubic centimeter.
This is one of many factors in superior vegan athletic ability.
For example, retired Marine Captain Alan Jones holds, IMHO,
the world record for consecutive sit ups: 17,003

Vegan alkaline intestinal tracts regain the ability to manufacture
ones own B12.

The B12 controversy: a dairy and animal flesh industry scam


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[cafejane]

you can try this place too. A LOT of fruitarians there.

www.rawfoodtalk.com (http://www.rawfoodtalk.com)

Sorry if there's an issue with posting this place. I see that it's recommended to buy the book for the 1st month's fasting & stuff, but I was amazed how many ppl are fruitarian there.

[cvC]

Another raw-food forum:

http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/

There's a photo of the Boutenkos here:

http://www.rawfamily.com/

I saw this at the homepage of someone called Anne that has posted on the "Fruit Nut" message board:

http://www.webspawner.com/users/fruitbatanne/raisingachildon.html

This is the website of the "Festival of Life" that has been held in London the last couple of years:

http://www.festivaloflife.net/

[Cairidh]

meat/fowl/fish/seafood - kills the creature
milk - kills the calves and the mother eventually
eggs - kills male chicks and the layers eventually
grains - kills millions of fieldmice/voles/groundnesting birds etc
vegetables - kills plants
beans - no death if cooked. if sprouted kills plants.
nuts/seeds - should be sprouted to release enzyme inhibitors = kills plants
fruit - kills pests and insects if not organic
seaweed - already dead

:confused: :(

what should one eat???
grains are technically just as bad as eggs and milk :(

[kokopelli]

No, grains aren't as bad, because grain is fed to animals, so not only causing the incidental killing you described, but also the intentional killing of the animals. And of course, massive waste of resources.

Guilty feelings can spiral out of control if you lose perspective.

[Mr Flibble]

If you insist on living then become a veganic fruitarian ;)

[Blueshark]

Nuts, fruit and vegetable were designed to be ate by animals. Often the seed or nut passes through the digestive tract and creates a new plant from the resulting faeces.

So eat these foods and sh*t in your garden.

[Mr Flibble]

who designed vegetables to be eaten?

[RedWellies]

If you insist on living then become a veganic fruitarian ;)
But what about the tiny insects and maggots in the fruit?!:p

[Mr Flibble]

rehome them?

[Blueshark]

who designed vegetables to be eaten?

Some chap, forgotten his name now.

[RedWellies]

rehome them?
Oh, that's so cute!

[Yoggy]

We also have to consider that almost all omnis eat fruit, vegetables, grains, beans, nuts, seeds, milk, eggs, and meat, AND are indirectly responsible for the deaths resulting from the tons of grain and legumes fed to the animals they eat (most grains in North America are grown to feed livestock). But vegans only eat fruit, vegetables, grains, beans, nuts and seeds, so are only indirectly responsible for the deaths resulting from cultivation of the plants they themselves eat.

So if omnis want to play the counting game as far as how much harm each diet causes, then they'll lose miserably.

[Korn]

grains are technically just as bad as eggs and milk :(

I couldn't disagree more... :)

[Cairidh]

I couldn't disagree more... :)

could you expand on that? :) :confused:

[Korn]

meat/fowl/fish/seafood - kills the creature
Sure. We all agree.





grains - kills millions of fieldmice/voles/groundnesting birds etc

Eating grains doesn't have to kill field mice, but modern agriculture methods kills some insects and mice due to their 'efficient' methods. People who are bothered with this should IMO try to live a more 'primitive' way, or avoid grains, not conclude with something that could be interpretted as 'you might as well start eating eggs/milk again if you use grains'.


vegetables - kills plants

Do you really equal eating a plant with killing? To me it's totally different. We can't her plants scream. They don't try to run away. They don't have friends or parents who will attack us to protect their mates. They don't look like something I associate with 'kill', like chicken or humans.


nuts/seeds - should be sprouted to release enzyme inhibitors = kills plants If you believe in this, don't eat sprouted nuts/seeds. Anti-vegan trolls have used this kind of logic many times to make people go 'oh well, I'm killing something/someone anyways, so I moght just as well drop being vegan'. We've had several of these trolls here.


fruit - kills pests and insects if not organic So go organic! :)



grains are technically just as bad as eggs and milk :(

I don't consider eating grains or seeds 'killing', 'harming' or exploiting at all. I don't think that way, I don't feel that way, as I wrote above. Nature is always overproducing grains/seeds - most seeds only seem to exist only to be eaten.

[eco]

I've never met a true fruitarian, and to be honest, I'm starting to think it's a bit of an urban legend
I've known four people who have tried fruitarianism, but none of them managed to stick to the diet for long. I think the longest was about a year for a couple of them. One of them craved cooked food quite badly, especially in winter. I know I wouldn't want to go through the winter without hot meals. I couldn't manage to be frutarian because, strange as it seems for a vegan, I don't actually like many fruits or nuts. Pears, apples, bananas, nectarines and grapes are about it for fruit and cashews, almonds and pecans for nuts and I don't like seeds at all. Thankfully I adore all vegetables.

It's been mentioned earlier in the thread about B12 being in fruits. I didn't think that B12 was to be found in any fruits or vegetables. I think it was either Tesco's or Sainsbury's that used to say on the packaging for raspberries that they contained B12, but it's now been removed. I was puzzled by that.

[Korn]

It was Tesco. I think their raspberries were B12-fortified.

[eco]

It was Tesco. I think their raspberries were B12-fortified.
That explains it. I have this vision now of people injecting B12 into each individual raspberry by syringe :D

[Cairidh]

Eating grains doesn't have to kill field mice, but modran agriculture methods kills some insects and mice due to their 'efficient' methods. People who are bothered with this should IMO try to live a more 'primitive' way, or avoid grains, not conclude with something that could be interpretted as 'you might as well start eating eggs/milk again if you use grains'.

You can interpret it as "you might as well start eating eggs/milk again if you use grains" if you wish.
I certainly would never interpret it as that, which should be obvious from the title I gave to the topic - "what's the diet that causes the least harm?" and the question I concluded with : "what should one eat???".

I interpret it as "you shouldn't really eat grains either". Which I don't.

[Cairidh]

grains are technically just as bad as eggs and milk :(



I don't consider eating grains or seeds 'killing', 'harming' or exploiting at all. I don't think that way, I don't feel that way, as I wrote above. Nature is always overproducing grains/seeds - most seeds only seem to exist only to be eaten.

I didn't say "eating grains is as bad as eating eggs and milk because grains are plant embryos"

I said:


grains - kills millions of fieldmice/voles/groundnesting birds etc

[Cairidh]

Does anyone know anything about this vegan diet? Is it possible to do without losing one´s health? It seems that you´re missing some key elements or there are some that are sketchy and experts can´t seem to agree. I´ve looked at a few sights and none of them answer the question about B12 (my main concern). Thanks for the help.

It will ruin your health, try freeganism instead. It actually causes less harm than fruitarianism, and is much healthier/safer. I wish the human body was designed to live on just fruit, but it's not :(

[grant]

Does anyone know anything about this vegan diet? Is it possible to do without losing one´s health? It seems that you´re missing some key elements or there are some that are sketchy and experts can´t seem to agree. I´ve looked at a few sights and none of them answer the question about B12 (my main concern). Thanks for the help.

Fruitianism is similar to veganism, only more strict. The practitioner of (commercial) fruitarianism, has such a love of -nearly- all things living, that he believes only in taking his own life!! I don't recommend it. Add leafy greens (mineral content - extra protein) and it would be more practical. As for b12, that's a problem on a vegan diet so why single out fruitarians?