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May 14th, 2005, 11:33 PM
Ta daa (http://www.veganforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=520&highlight=leather)

May 15th, 2005, 12:14 AM
I agree with Dianecrna. I did take a couple of woolly things to the charity shop when I became vegan, but even though I have been vegan for over 4 years I still have a pair of leather walking boots and a pair of leather shoes. I would still consider myself to be vegan though, even when I'm in the shoes. I think that it's far better environmentally to wear them out and then replace them with synthetic boots/shoes. I am a little concerned about the impression that it gives others, but in my experience no-one actually notices, and if they do I tell them I don't buy leather anymore. I console myself with the knowledge that every time I wear leather that I am actually thinking about it at all and not taking it for granted.

May 15th, 2005, 12:35 AM
I can't remember where it is, because I think it has been moved, or merged, or something, but there is a thread on just this subject, ie what to do with your non-vegan personal care and clothing items. :) I can't remember the title, though. :confused:

You wanna join me at the Alzheimers Support Group, Seaside? :)

May 15th, 2005, 02:14 AM
Why, yes, I'd love to, Bob,.......uh, I mean Joe, er........? ;)

May 15th, 2005, 02:43 AM
Thanks for that link, gertvegan! :)

May 15th, 2005, 08:47 AM
Thanks very much people. For the link... sorry I started a new thread without finding the already existing one first! I'm going to use up the stuff that I have. About the jacket, I'm undecided. I do not feel good wearing it. We'll see. I'm going to do what feels right, I just don't know what is right yet!

adam antichrist
May 15th, 2005, 01:23 PM
you could always give the jacket a decent burial, more than the rest of the animal would have gotten.
I don't think you can be vegan for a long time before the idea of wearing something like that would become unappealing to you. You've got to take into consideration that veganism is not a diet, it's a lifestyle; and how strictly you adhere to that lifestyle is something you can only set for yourself. I was ok with wearing my leather work boots until I had enough money to buy the extra special vegan ones, that I had custom made (and cost me one arm, both legs and a nugget).

May 15th, 2005, 02:46 PM
Ouch! That nugget must have hurt.

May 16th, 2005, 02:40 AM
I know a friend who got $10,000 for his nugget. Honest. For research I believe. :D

May 16th, 2005, 04:29 AM
Is a nuggett a testicle?

adam antichrist
May 16th, 2005, 08:42 AM
and yes.

May 25th, 2005, 10:55 PM
I bought some nice smart vegan shoes the other day so I don't need my leather ones anymore. They're completely worn out and have been giving me blisters for ages. Next week I'm going to leave them out for the nice recycling people to take them away. No one can wear them in their present state so perhaps they'll be broken down and reassembled into something else. I know it's leather, but it might as well be put to some further use. It's better than sending it to a landfill site.

May 26th, 2005, 07:04 AM
I think that it's far better environmentally to wear them out and then replace them with synthetic boots/shoes. I am a little concerned about the impression that it gives others.

I feel exactly the same. I do not have so many "nasties" as I am allergic to wool and always have avoided leather, but as long as you don`t feel really, really bad about wearing these things I feel you have to think economically, too. I have got one leather jacket with sentimental value and two or three pairs of leather shoes which I will wear as long as they do the job, but in the future, I will take greater care in what to buy.


May 27th, 2005, 02:49 PM
I didn't read the whole thread, but I have this same problem. I bought a new car in Sept that has leather seats, and I bought a new couch a year ago that is leather. I would never buy these items again, but I figure the poor cow already died and suffered for my stupidity so I should at least make use of them. We did go through the house, cabinets, fridge, etc.. and we donated all of the the non vergan stuff for the most part. Anyway, that's just what I did. Not sure if it's the right thing, but I think I'm ok with it.

Jun 2nd, 2005, 12:06 PM
When I turned vegan I sold my leather boots on ebay (I hadn't worn them for years anyway) so I could get some money back on them and I used up or gave away anything else which contained beeswax etc. The only non-vegan item of clothing I have is a wooly cardigan (2nd hand, I think my Gran gave me it) but I rarely wear it. The only reason it's still there is that I'd feel bad binning it and no-one else wants it and it's got dried paint on it so I can't sell it. I keep it for 'emergencies' as we have no central heating yet and it gets unbelievably cold at times. :(

If anyone knows where I could get a nice vegan 'wooly' thing to keep me warm then please let me know :)

Jun 2nd, 2005, 12:18 PM
By the way, what is that 'ecological leather' all about? I don't get it. :confused: If the animal is killed for it's meat rather than just for it's skin, then couldn't you say that about most commercially produced leather? After all, the usual pro-leather argument is that it's just a by-product of the meat industry, surely there aren't many animals that are killed only for their hide and the rest left to waste?

Seems a bit of a false statement to me, not to mention the fact that leather is not a by-product anyway - it makes up about 10% of the total profit from the animal's corpse and helps to subsidise the meat industry. I just can't understand how any commercially produced leather could be classed as 'ecological', implying that it's cruelty free! :eek:

I personally don't wear any leather as it makes me uncomfortable, but I can understand other people's reasons for wearing 2nd hand stuff.

I've bought some vegan leather boots before which have out-lasted any leather ones I've had and I've also found cheap synthetics in ordinary shoe shops (although I don't know what the glues are made of :( ).

Jun 2nd, 2005, 12:45 PM
personally, i agree with korn's sentiments on this thread (http://www.veganforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4103) post #7.
we probably do 'almost as must as is possible' and im ok with that.

what i dont like is seeing lots of 'confessions' by folk to see these followed with 'how you could do it better'. of course there is often a better way but we only can walk in our own shoes no one elses and it saddens me that people feel awkward about saying they still own this or that, or use this or that. thats fine! :) its where you are now! im sure, in fact i know there are still lots of bits and bobs around that i need to deal with/replace/address but what matters to me is not the timescale or even items, what matters to me is my INTEGRITY with dealing with these issues. i may replace these boots when they wear out but someone else may choose to sell/throw them now and invest in a vegan pair - both are correct - the paths to the end are just different.

when i can, i do and untill then i have my own integrity and conscience to deal with, and that is enough. we shouldnt be made to feel wrong, stupid, un-vegan or uncaring if we are sincerely doing our best with our own situation.

lets encourage not discourage :D

Jun 3rd, 2005, 07:19 AM
Here Here!

Jun 3rd, 2005, 03:04 PM
I still own and wear 3 wool items. A hat, a jumper and cardigan, and thats because my auntie knitted them all for me.

She passed away and i dont like the idea of them being thrown away or going to someone else who wont value them as much. The hat ive actually had since i was a baby, its stretched a lot over the years... :rolleyes:

Jun 3rd, 2005, 04:31 PM
I won't buy wool, silk or leather and avoided even wearing my old leather shoes for a while but I've had trouble with the vegan pairs I've bought. At the moment I'm wearing 2nd hand shoes c/o my mum! :D

adam antichrist
Jun 3rd, 2005, 06:18 PM
By the way, what is that 'ecological leather' all about? I don't get it. :confused:

I know lots of environmental activists who prefer leather rather than microfibre materials as in their opinion they are more harmful to the environment. I found this to be a bit bizzare since cattle farming does massive damage to the environment.

"It takes more than 100 000 litres of water to produce 1 kilogram of beef, and requires 8 times the fossil fuel sourced energy than plant crops need. Farmed animals produce 130 times more fecal waste than humans, which is generally unrecycled and dumped into waterways, causing ammonia, nitrates, phosphates and bacteria levels to increase; and add to global warming by the release of up to 80 million tons of methane into the atmosphere every year."

Paraphrased from Introduction to Animal Rights, Gary Francione, p15-16.

I've had friendly arguments with these environmental activists over the use of skins from roadkill or other natural deaths. Personally, I think it isn't so bad... but as a vegan:
Recycled, second hand, roadkill; still an animal skin.

I actually began seeking leather alternatives long before I stopped consuming dairy and cattle byproducts such as gelatine. I have one guitar strap with leather ends attaching the canvas strap to the guitar, but vegan wares sell vegan guitar straps, so it's going to be replaced sooner rather than later!

Jun 3rd, 2005, 07:02 PM
I actually began seeking leather alternatives long before I stopped consuming dairy
Me too!

Jul 4th, 2005, 04:26 PM
Just for those who suggested burning/burying leather goods and the person who suggested that leather is more organic and eco-friendly than synthetic vegan fibres, it's fallacious on both counts.
Leather undergoes many chemical processes in "tanneries" and is as such riddled with toxins. Luckily for the factories who do this task they often situate next to rivers so they can dump the chemical runoff straight into water supply, facing at most some occasional fines.

So no burying in soil would poison land and burning would poison atmosphere. There really is no good way of disposing of these items but suffice to say once you have you will never do it again, a one time liberation.

I'd personally lean towards selling the items for as much as possible and reinvesting in vegan product/animal rights charities to neutralise the act.

Jul 7th, 2005, 10:58 PM
i think it's hard when one is first starting out being vegan, there's so much fear of doing things "the wrong way". i remember when i went vegan, there was so much to keep track of at once. (i went from omni to vegan overnight.) i do still have a few things left from my previous lifestyle but they are only still around 'cause i never wear them. luckily i had no fur or leather coats but i had a lot of wool (i used to live in new hampshire!). btw, if anyone wants vegan warm weather wear suggestions, PM me and i'll tell you my tricks.

re the leather shoes... some of the imitations are SO good that i've looked at friends and gone "no way" and vice versa. i've had to take off my shoes to prove it a few times :rolleyes: but if i did have some leather shoes that had survived all this time, i WOULD wear them 'cause unless the shoes have a big nike sign or something, you really can't tell. btw, it feels so good when someone says "i love your shoes" and you get to say that they're cruelty free. same thing with toiletries. why be wasteful? my solution was to overlap so that if something new didn't work, i still had some of the old stuff leftover.

now, the nonveg food, on the other hand... that stuff had to go!

Sep 4th, 2005, 12:52 PM

Would you still say someone is a vegan if they have been vegan for years and since going vegan not brought any animal products or anything but still have a leather sofa? My view is if someone has stayed clear of animal products for years but still have things that are leather but brought these before they went vegan then that person is still vegan because at the end of the day if you chuck out your sofa coat or what ever itís not going to help the cows now is it? I donít really see the point in getting rid of something when itís not going to help anyone or anything now, But I guess it just comes down to individual choice. My self I donít buy any animal products for years but still have some things that are leather,
not sofa that was just used as an example above. I still class my self as full vegan well as vegan as anyone can ever be and I think thatís 95% I donít think anyone in todayís society can be 100% vegan but we can all do our part and together as a team we can make that difference to the lives of the animals. not only do I not buy animal products, but im also trying now to avoid all tested animal products and boycotting the companies who do. also getting more into protesting, done leafleting, and give stick to the companyís that cant label there stuff vegan. thatís one thing that really P me off say, you buy something from the supermarket that is vegan but its not labelled vegan that does get to me because if its vegan why cant the dam companies label it vegan. It saves my time, there time, saves a phone call, and saves all the other vegans out there messing around with a phone call. most of the ones I ring have always come back saying oh well we are very limited on space on the tin. i think thatís just there way of saying they donít want to label it or they cant be ass two. why cant people see that going vegan is not just about the animals but a lot more about your health as well. after you stop eating all that muck its no doubt your going to feel better eating all that muck and them drugged up birds along with the hormones they are pumped with cant be no good for anyone. no doubt your going to feel loads better, wonder why I feel 100 times better since making that change.