Free_Tibet
Oct 16th, 2005, 05:10 AM
China's consumption of meat has doubled in recent years and intensive farming practices will be on the increase. China is fast becoming "THE" world economic power. The USA is in debt to China. Many countries are reliant on unethical trade and are emeshed economically with them.
Animal welfare standards in China are a low priority as are human rights and which international governments make feeble token attempts to challenge them. Primate research will be outsourced to China because of low animal welfare standards as well. This is of great concern.
Below is a portion of this PBS (Public broadcast Service USA) broadcast (Oct
15, 05) about China's economy in a censored environment. It gives an idea of the great difficulties animal activists (and human rights activists) face in China.
PBS.org portion of transcript.
PAUL SOLMAN: In real life, Chinese Communism saved its greatest abuse for its own people. This was the Cultural Revolution of the '60s and '70s, but as
recently as 1989 a protest against government repression and corruption was
brutally crushed, leaving a thousand or more dead in Beijing's Tiananmen
Square.
And yet on the surface, today's China looks about as menacing as a suburban shopping mall.
Behind the scenes, however, there still lurks Big Sibling.
As others regularly document, China remains, in many ways, a police state. As for our own experience, we were forced to hire government minders to approve and accompany every shoot: Very friendly; very present.
Our Internet access and emails were monitored. In our hotel, a CNN report
about the Microsoft Network censoring Chinese bloggers was - censored -- or at least, the TV went blank.
And just last month China ordered that all Internet news sites must be
"directed toward serving the people and socialism."
At Tsinghua University the campus intranet is censored.
PAUL SOLMAN (to bystander): Can you find out anything you want on the
Internet?
PAUL SOLMAN: And we ourselves were nearly censored, when we tried to ask
about such restrictions without a minder.
BYSTANDER: No, why you ask these questions?
PAUL SOLMAN: We pressed on -- but so did our bystander.
Someone reported us to the authorities and, warned not to stray, we called
off a shoot with a pair of student journalists, mainly for fear of getting
them into trouble.
PAUL SOLMAN: Jim McGregor, a Wall Street Journal reporter turned businessman who's worked in China for twenty years, says the classroom control never ends.
JIM McGREGOR: It's hard to innovate and create in a society that controls the media, controls, controls thought in many ways at universities. Chinese
people perform best out of China when it comes to research and development.
PAUL SOLMAN: And those who stay in China to do R&D, like these employees at the company developing Tsinghua University's technology seem oblivious -- or defensive -- about thought control.
I told them about watching the censored CNN report:
PAUL SOLMAN: So the story started and suddenly the TV was blank.
EMPLOYEE: So your view is?
PAUL SOLMAN: That somebody stopped the story --
EMPLOYEE: Not necessarily; might be a technical problem from your side.
PAUL SOLMAN: Well it was, somebody came --
EMPLOYEE: This is a report you got only from CNN journalist, so the view
might not be objective enough. In fact, China is much more open than you can imagine. We are doing fine and we are making progress every single day.
*Government corruption*
PAUL SOLMAN: Wanting to ask about the effects of repression, I wound up
debating its very existence. But why do young Chinese still look the other
way?
DAVID MOSER: Sometimes the people who are the youngest, the most
well-educated, the most Internet savvy are the ones who are least likely to
say anything against the government.
PAUL SOLMAN: American David Moser is something of a celebrity in China,
appearing on TV as a commentator, a talent show judge and occasionally,
Confucius.
DAVID MOSER: Remember another one of my famous sayings --
PAUL SOLMAN: But it's only when he's off Chinese TV, and on PBS, that Moser can criticize uncritical Confucian authority worship, which also leads to a second economic problem he says: unchecked corruption.
DAVID MOSER: One of the biggest problems with the evolving Chinese economy is corruption and that if you don't have a free flow of information you don't have a free press, you really cannot address the issue of corruption, right. That's one thing.
PAUL SOLMAN: Right, because there's nobody to blow the whistle.
DAVID MOSER: There's nobody to blow the whistle, right. And what you have now is a situation where a very small group of people in the government are
making very, very massive and important economic decisions with virtually no
public forum for discussion or for dissent.
PAUL SOLMAN: For example, says Moser --
DAVID MOSER: You've had massive social disruption as the one-child policy
creates this generation of only children. You have all these parents and
grandparents retiring that no longer have the, the guaranteed cradle-to-grave benefits they were suppose to get under, under Marxism. And yet, you don't have the public forum in which this stuff can be talked about.
PAUL SOLMAN: And you can't raise that when you're on one of your shows? You can't kind of work that in, in some clever comedic way?
DAVID MOSER: Let's see. How can I put this? No. (laugh)
*China's younger generation*
PAUL SOLMAN: So repression allows for corruption, for poor economic
policy-making, and, it stultifies innovation. So why do cosmopolitan young
Chinese allow it?
DAVID MOSER: They've made a bargain with the devil here because they, the
young people are the ones who are most set up to benefit from the economic
modernization itself, right?
It's a little distressing to talk with them sometimes, especially during the
recent anniversary of the Tiananmen Square Massacre. A lot of them are not
really aware that, exactly what happened and they don't care. A lot of them
really don't care.
HANDEL LEE: A friend of mine described it as the anaconda in the chandelier.
PAUL SOLMAN: Handel Lee is a very successful Chinese-American businessman who's opening a new nightclub in Beijing.
HANDEL LEE: The anaconda may never come out, but it's up there. Sometimes you can feel it, and a lot of people say, oh, it's a communist. It's not communist. It's Chinese. It's authoritarianism that's very, very Chinese or
Confucian.
PAUL SOLMAN: Confucian, I thought Confucianism was a good influence on
societies like China, Asian societies, with respect for the elders, hard work
--
HANDEL LEE: Well in Confucianism, you don't question authority. I mean,
that's just unheard of in a Chinese household. Governments demand that same sort of respect.
*Future economic development*
PAUL SOLMAN: So where is this unique blend of Communist Party dictatorship, Confucian authoritarianism and a free market free-for-all headed? Pessimists like Labor leader Han Dongfang fear that continuing economic growth simply sustain Communist Party oppression.
HAN DONGFANG: We're basically facing the worst marriage in human history
which is capitalist and communist; and the workers on one hand they have to
deal with this evil critical power that make them cannot open their mouth; on
the other hand you face this huge economical giant which is running around
the globe.
PAUL SOLMAN: But optimists like Liu Chuanzhi, who managed the Chinese buyout of IBM's personal computer business, claim that as the economics develops, so will the politics.
LIU CHUANZHI: In China we have to first to start with the economic one and I think with that kind of person it will be reform in the political area soon.
At the very beginning, it is up to one person, the leader to use his
authority and his power and control the situation, but later on, when
everything is okay, there's no need for the leader to do everything.
PAUL SOLMAN: There remains a third possibility, however, one that we in the
US might find especially hard to swallow: that there won't be political
reform in China anytime soon. Yet economic growth will continue, even to the
next, more advanced stage of development, in which case, some might read a worrisome moral into the story of China's economic success: Perhaps growth can co-exist with corruption and soft authoritarianism. Maybe successful economic decisions can be made by a few at the top; and just possibly, maybe
there can be innovation without representation.
For the complete PBS Transcript
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/textonly/focus2.html
Disclaimer: Please note article is for informational purposes only. This member does not necessarily endorse the contents of article or links provided. ;) :p
Animal welfare standards in China are a low priority as are human rights and which international governments make feeble token attempts to challenge them. Primate research will be outsourced to China because of low animal welfare standards as well. This is of great concern.
Below is a portion of this PBS (Public broadcast Service USA) broadcast (Oct
15, 05) about China's economy in a censored environment. It gives an idea of the great difficulties animal activists (and human rights activists) face in China.
PBS.org portion of transcript.
PAUL SOLMAN: In real life, Chinese Communism saved its greatest abuse for its own people. This was the Cultural Revolution of the '60s and '70s, but as
recently as 1989 a protest against government repression and corruption was
brutally crushed, leaving a thousand or more dead in Beijing's Tiananmen
Square.
And yet on the surface, today's China looks about as menacing as a suburban shopping mall.
Behind the scenes, however, there still lurks Big Sibling.
As others regularly document, China remains, in many ways, a police state. As for our own experience, we were forced to hire government minders to approve and accompany every shoot: Very friendly; very present.
Our Internet access and emails were monitored. In our hotel, a CNN report
about the Microsoft Network censoring Chinese bloggers was - censored -- or at least, the TV went blank.
And just last month China ordered that all Internet news sites must be
"directed toward serving the people and socialism."
At Tsinghua University the campus intranet is censored.
PAUL SOLMAN (to bystander): Can you find out anything you want on the
Internet?
PAUL SOLMAN: And we ourselves were nearly censored, when we tried to ask
about such restrictions without a minder.
BYSTANDER: No, why you ask these questions?
PAUL SOLMAN: We pressed on -- but so did our bystander.
Someone reported us to the authorities and, warned not to stray, we called
off a shoot with a pair of student journalists, mainly for fear of getting
them into trouble.
PAUL SOLMAN: Jim McGregor, a Wall Street Journal reporter turned businessman who's worked in China for twenty years, says the classroom control never ends.
JIM McGREGOR: It's hard to innovate and create in a society that controls the media, controls, controls thought in many ways at universities. Chinese
people perform best out of China when it comes to research and development.
PAUL SOLMAN: And those who stay in China to do R&D, like these employees at the company developing Tsinghua University's technology seem oblivious -- or defensive -- about thought control.
I told them about watching the censored CNN report:
PAUL SOLMAN: So the story started and suddenly the TV was blank.
EMPLOYEE: So your view is?
PAUL SOLMAN: That somebody stopped the story --
EMPLOYEE: Not necessarily; might be a technical problem from your side.
PAUL SOLMAN: Well it was, somebody came --
EMPLOYEE: This is a report you got only from CNN journalist, so the view
might not be objective enough. In fact, China is much more open than you can imagine. We are doing fine and we are making progress every single day.
*Government corruption*
PAUL SOLMAN: Wanting to ask about the effects of repression, I wound up
debating its very existence. But why do young Chinese still look the other
way?
DAVID MOSER: Sometimes the people who are the youngest, the most
well-educated, the most Internet savvy are the ones who are least likely to
say anything against the government.
PAUL SOLMAN: American David Moser is something of a celebrity in China,
appearing on TV as a commentator, a talent show judge and occasionally,
Confucius.
DAVID MOSER: Remember another one of my famous sayings --
PAUL SOLMAN: But it's only when he's off Chinese TV, and on PBS, that Moser can criticize uncritical Confucian authority worship, which also leads to a second economic problem he says: unchecked corruption.
DAVID MOSER: One of the biggest problems with the evolving Chinese economy is corruption and that if you don't have a free flow of information you don't have a free press, you really cannot address the issue of corruption, right. That's one thing.
PAUL SOLMAN: Right, because there's nobody to blow the whistle.
DAVID MOSER: There's nobody to blow the whistle, right. And what you have now is a situation where a very small group of people in the government are
making very, very massive and important economic decisions with virtually no
public forum for discussion or for dissent.
PAUL SOLMAN: For example, says Moser --
DAVID MOSER: You've had massive social disruption as the one-child policy
creates this generation of only children. You have all these parents and
grandparents retiring that no longer have the, the guaranteed cradle-to-grave benefits they were suppose to get under, under Marxism. And yet, you don't have the public forum in which this stuff can be talked about.
PAUL SOLMAN: And you can't raise that when you're on one of your shows? You can't kind of work that in, in some clever comedic way?
DAVID MOSER: Let's see. How can I put this? No. (laugh)
*China's younger generation*
PAUL SOLMAN: So repression allows for corruption, for poor economic
policy-making, and, it stultifies innovation. So why do cosmopolitan young
Chinese allow it?
DAVID MOSER: They've made a bargain with the devil here because they, the
young people are the ones who are most set up to benefit from the economic
modernization itself, right?
It's a little distressing to talk with them sometimes, especially during the
recent anniversary of the Tiananmen Square Massacre. A lot of them are not
really aware that, exactly what happened and they don't care. A lot of them
really don't care.
HANDEL LEE: A friend of mine described it as the anaconda in the chandelier.
PAUL SOLMAN: Handel Lee is a very successful Chinese-American businessman who's opening a new nightclub in Beijing.
HANDEL LEE: The anaconda may never come out, but it's up there. Sometimes you can feel it, and a lot of people say, oh, it's a communist. It's not communist. It's Chinese. It's authoritarianism that's very, very Chinese or
Confucian.
PAUL SOLMAN: Confucian, I thought Confucianism was a good influence on
societies like China, Asian societies, with respect for the elders, hard work
--
HANDEL LEE: Well in Confucianism, you don't question authority. I mean,
that's just unheard of in a Chinese household. Governments demand that same sort of respect.
*Future economic development*
PAUL SOLMAN: So where is this unique blend of Communist Party dictatorship, Confucian authoritarianism and a free market free-for-all headed? Pessimists like Labor leader Han Dongfang fear that continuing economic growth simply sustain Communist Party oppression.
HAN DONGFANG: We're basically facing the worst marriage in human history
which is capitalist and communist; and the workers on one hand they have to
deal with this evil critical power that make them cannot open their mouth; on
the other hand you face this huge economical giant which is running around
the globe.
PAUL SOLMAN: But optimists like Liu Chuanzhi, who managed the Chinese buyout of IBM's personal computer business, claim that as the economics develops, so will the politics.
LIU CHUANZHI: In China we have to first to start with the economic one and I think with that kind of person it will be reform in the political area soon.
At the very beginning, it is up to one person, the leader to use his
authority and his power and control the situation, but later on, when
everything is okay, there's no need for the leader to do everything.
PAUL SOLMAN: There remains a third possibility, however, one that we in the
US might find especially hard to swallow: that there won't be political
reform in China anytime soon. Yet economic growth will continue, even to the
next, more advanced stage of development, in which case, some might read a worrisome moral into the story of China's economic success: Perhaps growth can co-exist with corruption and soft authoritarianism. Maybe successful economic decisions can be made by a few at the top; and just possibly, maybe
there can be innovation without representation.
For the complete PBS Transcript
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/textonly/focus2.html
Disclaimer: Please note article is for informational purposes only. This member does not necessarily endorse the contents of article or links provided. ;) :p