Things meat eaters say and do

[Tishy]

I've had people say similar things to me. One thing that a meateater said that annoyed me was about the baby formula that was made up from soy, "It's so wrong to force those diets on to children". Personally if I ever have children I plan to breastfeed, although I know how hard that can be. And I also do not know if one formula is healthier/better then the other but I don't believe that was the point she was making, rather she was referring to my diet choice. I couldn't help but wonder isn't not letting your child eat specific foods not forcing it on to them but allowing them the future opportunity to choose? Knowing all the animal, health and environmental problems caused by meat, it is something that does not only affect animals but everyone and something which affects you personally. I replied to her saying, "but it can be seen as not forcing animal products onto your child". She just laughed it off.

You are what you eat, and if I ever have children I do not want my children eating products based from cruelty, torture and a life created only for death.

[megrainbows]

I was in a supermarket with one of my bestfriends and her mother, and her mother was buying lamb and she said to me 'it's not a little cute baby lamb, it is an older one; if that makes you feel any better' I was like :|
I just kind of laughed in a scared way and said 'erm, no it doesnt.'
As if the animal being cute makes any difference!

[harpy]

I was in a supermarket with one of my bestfriends and her mother, and her mother was buying lamb and she said to me 'it's not a little cute baby lamb, it is an older one; if that makes you feel any better' I was like :|


:rolleyes: That speaks volumes about an omnivore perpsective though doesn't it - it's OK to eat creatures as long as they're not cute, like cats, dogs, lambs (below a certain size) etc

Hello, by the way!

[Elfwin]

My boyfriend's mum asked me the other day why i didn't drink milk, she already knows i'm vegan and i thought most people understood what that meant. She said. " but they produce it naturally" so i told her that yes they did, but to cater to people's needs they're constantly pregnant & their male calves are killed for veal. The annoying thing was she had this stupid smile on her face like i was some kinda crazy person who didn't realise that cows produce milk! I was a little bit sharp with her, which probably didn't help but sometimes you can't help yourself!

[RubyDuby]

"It's so wrong to force those diets on to children".
:confused: Couldn't the same be said for "forcing" them to drink milk from a different species?

[megrainbows]

:rolleyes: That speaks volumes about an omnivore perpsective though doesn't it - it's OK to eat creatures as long as they're not cute, like cats, dogs, lambs (below a certain size) etc

Hello, by the way!

Yes it does! It's really funny actually, how anyone could think like that. It borders on the same veiws as racism - only being nice to people that look a certain way or are of a certain race.

[harpy]

Yes it does! It's really funny actually, how anyone could think like that. It borders on the same veiws as racism - only being nice to people that look a certain way or are of a certain race.

I think it's what psychologists sometimes call a "cognitive shortcut" - you group things together to save time figuring out individual cases, e.g. you classify types of things (such as un-cuddly animals) as edible so you don't have to waste time every time you want to eat something.

It's quite difficult to get people to question those classifications but that's what we pesky vegans are here for ;)

[vorpal]

I am incredibley sick of people asking me what I eat!!!!!!!! This week I have had like 4 people ask me!!!! I'm so mad about it! What am I meant to say back to them? List off of all the recipes I cook regularly?!?!? Tell them every single ingredient I use?!!??!?! Argh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad::m ad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

I eat nothing that casts a shadow...

[Shepherd Mom]

When my grandmother found out I was vegan she asked "what, you don't eat chicken then?" i was like "well, obviously, chicken is an animal" and she said "what, not even a little bit?" i just burst out laughing really. yeah, i'm vegan, but i DO eat a little bit of chicken once in a while. come on, gran :D
i also once went to a party where i didn't know anyone apart from the person i came with and the folks there weren't exactly 'my type of people' - all meat-eaters, obsessed with getting rich and famous and powerful, violent and rude, and also not very smart. you know the type. and there was food like little sandwiches and pizza and stuff. i was a bit hungry so i asked people who were eating those what they were (especially the sandwiches - couldn't tell what was inside). and then i tried a little experiment. if people would say, for example, this was a ham and cheese sandwich and if i wanted one, i would say no, i'm vegan and they would get all weird and snotty about it, but when i said no, i'm intolerant to cholesterol they wouldn't be snotty at all and would just say 'oh ok' and move on. That was a funny, i think.

the most hurtful comment to me from meat-eaters is "well, you know you're not going to change anything, don't you?" to which i say that if everyone had attitude like theirs well then yeah, and we would be still living like our ancestors the cavemen (and women :) ) because no one would even try to change anything. they usually shut up after this, but it still is very bad to hear that most people think that way.



Don't believe them! I really believe that someday humans will look back and be appalled at the way their ancestors treated animals. All humans will find the thought of eating another creature disgusting and horrific.

When people ask me what I CAN eat (my neighbor asks me this weekly) I now just say "lettuce". Another neighbor told me yesterday that eating bacon makes her "heart sing". I told her that bacon is doing something to her heart but it's not singing, haha. Some people are so incredibly stupid it actually makes my head hurt.

[Tishy]

Another neighbor told me yesterday that eating bacon makes her "heart sing". I told her that bacon is doing something to her heart but it's not singing, haha. Some people are so incredibly stupid it actually makes my head hurt.

Hehehe, that made me chuckle. It kind of grosses me out how reliant people are on meats like bacon. Not trying to be self-righteous or anything, but when I hear anyone going "Oh I just couldn't live without (insert fatty food)", I just feel like they're a slob...But then, I think that's a kinda mean thought for me to have...:rolleyes:

[MCMLXXXVI]

I told her that bacon is doing something to her heart but it's not singing, haha. Some people are so incredibly stupid it actually makes my head hurt.[/QUOTE]


Bahaha! That made me laugh, what a great call.

I know that we usually have negative things to say on this thread but today I am a proud woman!...While having a family dinner that included lots of vegan/vegetarian food because of me and my boyfriend(vegetarian) being present, a family member stated 'I actually really enjoy this vegetarian food, I think I could go vegetarian for a while'. How good is that?! It seems that purely from associating with non-meat foods due to my beliefs they're starting to see how nice it is and how unnecessary a hunk of flesh is at every single meal.

[Shepherd Mom]

Hehehe, that made me chuckle. It kind of grosses me out how reliant people are on meats like bacon. Not trying to be self-righteous or anything, but when I hear anyone going "Oh I just couldn't live without (insert fatty food)", I just feel like they're a slob...But then, I think that's a kinda mean thought for me to have...:rolleyes:

I do the same thing, I think to myself "what a total slob". So many people are morally lazy and the thing that drives me insane is when they are actually presented with information regarding cruelty to animals, the benefits of a plant-based diet, etc, and STILL choose to continue their destructive habits.

[Back-Space]

I do the same thing, I think to myself "what a total slob". So many people are morally lazy and the thing that drives me insane is when they are actually presented with information regarding cruelty to animals, the benefits of a plant-based diet, etc, and STILL choose to continue their destructive habits.

I think it's laziness... I used to eat terribly just because it meant saving me a few minutes. If healthier foods were more readily available, and not so time consuming to prepare, I would have considered a healthier diet. After I did my reading, I wanted became vegan. Still trying to find a few quick meal ideas and definitely some snacks :p I've just been eating Lays chips because even the dark chocolate I've found contains milk ingredients :(

[Tishy]

Yes, I am so happy that people feel the same!! Personally, I hate it the most when people like, "what you can't eat junkfood?!?!?!" It's just like why would I want junkfood when I can have my beautiful wholesome home-made food? Or calling me a health freak and how I must not have any fun in my diet!! :dizzy: I'm so happy I'm healthy!!!! Compared to some of my friends who will guarantee have heart disease and be overweight by the time they are 50!

End rant! :p

[Back-Space]

I still like the junk food myself :p Nothings quite as good as some deep fried french fries with lots of salt and pepper :D Although I've cut back alot... I need junk once every couple of days though. Been noticing a bit of an energy loss. Maybe just need some more meal ideas :p

[MCMLXXXVI]

Slightly off topic...I go through phases of being super healthy and then wanting junk. It's good that what constitutes 'junk' for us is nowhere near as bad as it is for omnivores though. For example, sometimes I crave chocolate bars really badly but won't break my moral code to consume one, whereas previously I would have stuffed my face with 2 or 3, so I revert to 'sweets' such as 'special' fruits. Like last night I really wanted something junky but ended up buying a really expensive packet of strawberries. I know they're out of season and probably were transported very far but surely that has to be better than fully processed crap. (?). I really, really, really miss lollies though, like chicos and strawberry creams, all brands that I've come across still have gelatine in them. Plain chips are just about the only real junk I can have these days because all the flavoured chips (crisps) have milk product in them.

[Back-Space]

Slightly off topic...I go through phases of being super healthy and then wanting junk. It's good that what constitutes 'junk' for us is nowhere near as bad as it is for omnivores though. For example, sometimes I crave chocolate bars really badly but won't break my moral code to consume one, whereas previously I would have stuffed my face with 2 or 3, so I revert to 'sweets' such as 'special' fruits. Like last night I really wanted something junky but ended up buying a really expensive packet of strawberries. I know they're out of season and probably were transported very far but surely that has to be better than fully processed crap. (?). I really, really, really miss lollies though, like chicos and strawberry creams, all brands that I've come across still have gelatine in them. Plain chips are just about the only real junk I can have these days because all the flavoured chips (crisps) have milk product in them.

Lol, strawberries are a pretty healthy junk food :p I miss chocolate bars too. I was never really big into eating them. You just feel like you need one once in a while. I hear people saying that alot of dark chocolate is vegan, but I haven't been able to find any that doesn't say "contains milk ingredients". And lays potato chips are the best :D Potatoes, vegetable oil, salt... I've never seen such a short ingredients list :p

[Back-Space]

And most of what I've heard comes from my friends trying to prove me wrong.... I don't start arguments because I don't enjoy having to defend my choice, but when I hear someone insulting me with a bunch of ill educated comments, I have to say something.

They basically say that you need meat in your diet to be healthy, despite the fact that their diet consists of fast food 3 times a week, and no liquids that haven't been carbonated.... Then they get on their laptop and search up all the cons to being vegan, and list them all off :umm: I don't see them searching up the pros and cons to eating meat. So do they actually believe you need meat to be healthy, or are they just trying to justify their sick diets?

And I like this thread :) It will come in handy later :p

http://www.veganforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22936&highlight=vegan+responses

[MCMLXXXVI]

I think it's reasonable to state that you thoroughly researched the sources of nutrients you require as a vegan and then ask them if they've ever researched any basis for their diet or if they're just copying the habits their Western culture has instilled in them. I've told many people that fried meat is a known carcinogen (taught in my Medical science degree so it is a credible source should they use that argument) and I'm glad to not be eating it anymore and they usually say something fucking ignorant like they have to die of something...well I'd rather not have to get a colectomy and use a colostomy bag at the age of 60 thank you very much. By the way, I'm getting way more iron and B12 in my diet now because I'm taking a supplement and eating more green vegetables, whereas before I ate meat once a month and didn't take a supplement because I wasn't technically a vegetarian. It's a really common case with young women my age. That's a pretty good defense!

I know of some vegan dark chocolates but they are really dark, like amazingly bitter-can only have one piece a day kind of dark. At least dark chocolate has potent antioxidants I suppose. See, even most of our junk food is health!

[Tishy]

Chocolate is my junkfood, there's all sorts where I live. Like those vegan bars which are like Mars Bars and Milky Ways (but I can only eat one of them like a month!!! sooooo sugary!). There's this brand which basically every supermarket has which is just like dairy milk chocolate but without the dairy milk! And for dark chocolate I usually go for Lindt! Oh, and there's wonderful little Larabar Jocolat! Noms! :tongue_ani: But since going vegan, I realised how addicted I had been to sugar! When I eat heaps of sugar now, I get a tingley feeling and then just crave it more...:surprised_ani: But I have stood firm and now resist the sugary temptations, except maybe once every two weeks...:)

One of the most silliest things I've heard from an omnis mouth was, "yeah I don't agree with vegetarianism but I'm so against animal cruelty!!". I was just like "whhhha????", have you gone balmy?

[Back-Space]

I think it's reasonable to state that you thoroughly researched the sources of nutrients you require as a vegan and then ask them if they've ever researched any basis for their diet or if they're just copying the habits their Western culture has instilled in them. I've told many people that fried meat is a known carcinogen (taught in my Medical science degree so it is a credible source should they use that argument) and I'm glad to not be eating it anymore and they usually say something fucking ignorant like they have to die of something...well I'd rather not have to get a colectomy and use a colostomy bag at the age of 60 thank you very much. By the way, I'm getting way more iron and B12 in my diet now because I'm taking a supplement and eating more green vegetables, whereas before I ate meat once a month and didn't take a supplement because I wasn't technically a vegetarian. It's a really common case with young women my age. That's a pretty good defense!

I know of some vegan dark chocolates but they are really dark, like amazingly bitter-can only have one piece a day kind of dark. At least dark chocolate has potent antioxidants I suppose. See, even most of our junk food is health!

I've done lots of research, and that's what I told one of my friends. He started talking and I interrupted him. I've done like 2 hours of reading everyday on the subject for the past 2 weeks. Who do you think you're arguing with? Then he starts pulling all these statistics and facts out of his ass. Oh well vegans don't live as long because they don't get the nutrients they need from meat, and we're at a higher risk for cancer, and animals don't go through pain and suffering, I'm just over-reacting... Well I wouldn't eat them even if they didn't suffer. I can't stand people who can sit there lieing to my face, then call me an idiot!

I take a B12 supplement at the moment, but that's it. I'm also trying to get more of a variety of foods and snacks. I'm going to try making some chocolate coconut treats tonight if I can find some chocolate. Add a bit of lemon too :) We used to have these things at the restaurant that were a layer of coconut, lemon, then chocolate and they were amazing :D



Chocolate is my junkfood, there's all sorts where I live. Like those vegan bars which are like Mars Bars and Milky Ways (but I can only eat one of them like a month!!! sooooo sugary!). There's this brand which basically every supermarket has which is just like dairy milk chocolate but without the dairy milk! And for dark chocolate I usually go for Lindt! Oh, and there's wonderful little Larabar Jocolat! Noms! :tongue_ani: But since going vegan, I realised how addicted I had been to sugar! When I eat heaps of sugar now, I get a tingley feeling and then just crave it more...:surprised_ani: But I have stood firm and now resist the sugary temptations, except maybe once every two weeks...:)

One of the most silliest things I've heard from an omnis mouth was, "yeah I don't agree with vegetarianism but I'm so against animal cruelty!!". I was just like "whhhha????", have you gone balmy?

I was looking at chocolate bars at the store yesterday, and all the dark chocolate had milk ingredients. I wish Nestle would offer a little more in the vegan variety :p I think their syrups are vegan though. I found a PETA link that was along the lines of "I can't believe it's vegan", and it had a list of some name brand supermarket foods that were vegan :) I'll try and find it here.

http://www.peta.org/accidentallyvegan/ - There's not alot, but it gave me some ideas

[Annie M. Green]

Don't believe them! I really believe that someday humans will look back and be appalled at the way their ancestors treated animals. All humans will find the thought of eating another creature disgusting and horrific.

I never do. I believe an overall change will come sooner or later, if only all of us would get off our arses and actually change towards a better future. For now it's just about a little bunch of eccentrics calling themselves vegan who should be out there promoting our lifestyles and providing people with information and just working together to try to make a transition to veganism easier and more appealing.

I was just talking with a friend of mine after I sent him this article to read: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jun/02/un-report-meat-free-diet (which is a good article in any case). He said that he would rather if the population didn't grow any more. I said that it's not really up to him, is it? He said that he didn't want it to grow because there wouldn't be enough resources to feed everyone and -he- did not want himself to starve . this greedy "me!me!me!" attitude is what gets me down with meat-eaters really. i mean, yeah, we are all selfish to some extent and egocentric, but i think that if we would all be a little more altruistic (although some people need to be much more altruistic) the world would be a better place.
it's like just yesterday i went to a big supermarket near my house and it was 40 mins before they were closing, so they had all those "reduced to clear" items that expire today for much cheaper than usual. I normally get a lot of veg and bread this way and they never seem to have a lot of meat there. but this time there were no veg reduced but lots of meat. people just went mad trying to get hold of more cheap meat, they were almost fighting each other for it! I was observing with a mixed feeling of amusement and enragement. This probably goes under the category "things meat-eaters do", but nonetheless :)
p.s. wow that's a long message :)

[MCMLXXXVI]

@Back-Space, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard! It's well documented that vegetarians on average live at least 5 years longer than non-vegetarians and in the scientific literature it is well proven that fried or BBQ'd meats produce heterocyclic amines which are carcinogenic DNA base substitutes and many blame the epidemic of colon cancers in the Western world on this fact. How does a vegan diet put you at higher risk of cancer when it is generally higher in fibre, lower in sugar, higher in fruit in vegetable and not to mention the fact that most vegan cosmetics and washing liquids are usually free of harsh chemicals also which are attributed to cancer and autoimmune disease??? Ignorant meat-eaters are the WORST!!

[MCMLXXXVI]

@Annie M. Green, thanks for the article! I emailed it to a few of my family members who are 3 x meat-meals-a-day kind of people. Their replies may be interesting...

[Back-Space]

@Back-Space, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard! It's well documented that vegetarians on average live at least 5 years longer than non-vegetarians and in the scientific literature it is well proven that fried or BBQ'd meats produce heterocyclic amines which are carcinogenic DNA base substitutes and many blame the epidemic of colon cancers in the Western world on this fact. How does a vegan diet put you at higher risk of cancer when it is generally higher in fibre, lower in sugar, higher in fruit in vegetable and not to mention the fact that most vegan cosmetics and washing liquids are usually free of harsh chemicals also which are attributed to cancer and autoimmune disease??? Ignorant meat-eaters are the WORST!!

Lol, well you should try talking to this guy. Almost everything he says is BS :p I think I pissed him off. We were arguing back when I was vegetarian aswell and he told me that the cheese pizza I was eating had meat in the tomato sauce. I told him they didn't, but he stood by it. So we called the pizza place and they said they don't put meat in the tomato sauce and that a cheese pizza was vegetarian... He said they must have recently changed it :rolleyes: He's the type of person you just have to nod and smile at :p Good guy, just misinformed.

Once he started arguing with me about vegan health, I messaged him some pictures of some real stats and facts once I got home. He didn't message me back... I couldn't just let someone walk away with the wrong information.