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Top Produce to buy Organic
http://www.deliciousorganics.com/Con...optobuyorg.htm
Top Produce to Buy Organic
Latest list of foods highly contaminated with pesticides.
Therefore this is a list of the produce we should ALWAYS buy organic or skip altogether.
FRUIT VEGETABLES
- Strawberries - the most pesticide laden food of all and so scrumptious and not easy to wash because they are small and sweet, like Raspberries, so choose organic to be safe and keep your family safe
- Raspberries
- Apples
- Grapes(& therefore
- Raisins and
- Juice! - many kinds of juices have Grape Juice in them)
- Peaches
- Nectarines
- Apricots
- Pears
- Cherries
- Lemons- especially if zesting, should definitely use organic
- Limes
- Bananas - heavy chemicals for the trip to America including Thiabendazole which Damages the Brain and Nervous System. Especially troubling since this is the first food we can feed our babies!
- Kiwis
- Pineapple depending from where
- Cantaloupe from Mexico
- Tomatoes - yes, they're a fruit
Also important to buy organic:
*edited to remove animal foods*
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I can't get over half of those things in organic around here.
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:( I like to buy my apples in a bag and I get a whole bunch for only $3.99 or something. If I buy them organic, they are usually $3-something per pound! Boo.
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They say apples and carrots are the worst for pesticides. And cotton.
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Potatoes are pretty bad too. A ton of pesticides and chemical fertilizers are used.
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One of my grandmother's friends grew up on a farm where pesticides were used and she's sick now. Has black gunk coming out of her eyes when they water and out of her nose when it gets runny and stuff. She's got plenty of other issues, as well, but those are the ones that stick out to me because it grosses me out.
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Wow Limey, is that the reason?
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Yeah. Well, she was clearly exposed to pesticides a ridiculous amount more than the average person. :( Poor thing. She's had a hard life and is such a sweet, hardworking woman.
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how funny (not really)- i just read in my local paper the other day that bananas are somewhat safe to eat when not gown organic.. i hate the macomb daily!!
thanks for the info:)
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organic vs non-organic
One of my wife's friends is tying to convience her husband to buy organic products instead of the non-organic stuff they buy now. They aren't vegetarian. Does anyone have any good info on the benefits of organic produce for example over "regular" produce that I could give her. I know in either the The Food Revolution or Diet for a new america Robbins gave percentages of how much more nutrients were in organic foods, but I can't find the chart.
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In my opinion we need to have vegan commercial production.Organic farming harms more animals than modern "science-informed" farming. Animal feces in food also adds off-flavors; bacterial metabilic products are absorbed by the plants, through their roots. And it, and animal body parts, also causes disease. See Jared Diamond's books. Many of our diseases are the result of living in close proximity to animals. Including anthrax and tetanus. The micro-organisms that grow on plants are unlikely to find a good habitat on people; the micro-organisms that grow in animals, are more likely to.
There are advantages and disadvantages to using cows' gastro-intestinal systems in place of plain wooden compost bins. But as animal agriculture becomes a thing of the past, so will the ready availablity of animal excrement. I believe we should be preparing ahead, now, for this future that we all hope will happen, by using sustainable vegan agriculture instead of modern commercial, or organic.
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I saw an interview with Terje Håkonsen (snowboarder) recently. He's about to start an organic cafe, and the reporter talked with him about the definition of organic. Håkonsen's reply was that organic food is 'normal' food, in the sense that it is food in it's normal, natural state, not processed by anything artificial. I believe many people think of organic food as 'special' food, and forget that human food has been organic for thousands of years...
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I completely agree. Last week I decided that the expense of organic fruit and vegetables is not a good enough reason to avoid them! My savings will go down in the short term but I believe that you can't put a price on your health! The big shame is that it is really hard to get much variety - I thought it would be more readily available in Sydney, so I am probably only about 70% organic now for nutrient reasons.
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I believe many people think of organic food as 'special' food, and forget that human food has been organic for thousands of years...
But until the prices come down, I'm unable to see it as "normal" food. Veggies are pricey enough here as it is. I don't buy organic for that simple reason.
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Organic produce is not covered in a cocktail of poisonous chemicals. The average conventionally-grown apple has 20-30 artificial poisons on its skin, even after rinsing. Trust your instincts, and go organic!
Not all non-organic produce is extensively treated with chemicals either. Some farmers use pesticides and commercial plant food sparingly.
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Fresh organic produce contains on average 50% more vitamins, minerals, enzymes and other micro-nutrients than intensively farmed produce. Science says that it's good for you.
Fresh produce grown with good farming methods that are not necessarily strictly organic, also contain more micronutrients and more flavor than produce grown with poor methods.
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Going organic is the only practical way to avoid eating genetically modified (GM) food. And by buying organic food, you are registering your mistrust of GMO's and doing your bit to protest against them.
Huh? It is quite possible to get food that is neither organically grown nor genetically engineered. I think this "protest" you are talking about is going to fall on deaf ears.
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If you eat dairy or meat products, going organic has never been more essential to safeguard you and your family's health. Intensively-reared dairy cows and farm animals are fed a dangerous cocktail of anti-biotics, hormones, anti-parasite drugs and many other medicines on a daily basis, whether they have an illness or not. These drugs are passed directly onto the consumers of their dairy produce or meat., which must be a contributing factor to meat-related diseases like coronaries and high blood pressure.
Non-organic is not necessarily the same as intensively reared or factory farmed.
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About 99% of non-organic farm animals in the UK are now fed GM soya. And there has never been a reported case of BSE in organic cattle in the UK. Common sense says that organic is safe food.
There is always a danger from food if plants or animals are surrounded by a sea of excrement, as if usually the case with organically grown plants and animals.
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Organic produce simply tastes so much better. Fruit and vegetables full of juice and flavour, and so many different varieties to try! There are about 100 different kinds of organic potatoes in production in the UK, and that's just potatoes!
so do properly grown plants that are not strictly organic.
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Organic farms support and nurture our beautiful and diverse wildlife. Over the last thirty years, intensive farming in the UK has led to dramatic erosion of the soil, a fall of up to 70% of wild birds in some areas, the destruction of ancient hedgerows, and the near extinction of some of the most beautiful species of butterflies, frogs, grass-snakes and wild mammals.
This is simply not true. Organic growers have been known to shoot predators and wild animals that become pests that eat agricultural plants. Use of excrement in soil has the same affect of eutrophication of rivers and streams as does use of industrially produced nitrogen plant food.
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Organic food is not really more expensive than intensively farmed foods, as we pay for conventional foods through our taxes. We spend billion of pounds every year cleaning up the mess that agro-chemicals make to our natural water supply. And the BSE crisis cost us 4 billion pounds. Go organic for a genuine more cost-effective future.
Huh?
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Intensive farming can seriously damage farm workers' health. There are much higher instances of cancer, respiratory problems and other major diseases in farm workers from non-organic farms. This is particularly true in developing countries, and for agrochemical farms growing cotton. So go organic if you care about other people.
It is not true in all cases.
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And if you simply like the idea of your children and grandchildren being able to visit the countryside and play in the forests and fields just like we did when we were young, go organic for the sake of all of our futures.
There is nothing to prevent organic growers from clear-cutting forests to plant organic crops.
It is essential that we end the cycle of plant production that depends on animal waste, and animal production that depends on plant agriculture. We must divorce plant agriculture from animal agriculture. Organic plant husbandry is more closely tied to this cycle, and to animal husbandry, than either ordinary commercial farming or vegan farming.
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it was in the news a few days ago (in the UK) that anything with an up too 1% GM percentage can now be sold as organic D:
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I completely agree. Last week I decided that the expense of organic fruit and vegetables is not a good enough reason to avoid them! My savings will go down in the short term but I believe that you can't put a price on your health! The big shame is that it is really hard to get much variety - I thought it would be more readily available in Sydney, so I am probably only about 70% organic now for nutrient reasons.
I am not rich (in fact, I'm even classified as poor), but I buy organic whenever I can; I think it's false economy to buy "conventional" (the label Whole Foods puts on sprayed produce.)
Considering that you're putting nerve toxins in your system with every pesticide-laden apple you eat, it's best to minimize this wherever you can. The tricky thing is that I'd far prefer to eat minimally-sprayed local apples--and wash them with Fruit and Vegetable Wash--than buy organic apples from South America.
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I believe this study has been cited in some other thread on our forum, but here it is again:
Organic food is healthier: study
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Early results from a £12m study showed that organic fruit and vegetables contained up to 40% more antioxidants than non-organic varieties, according to Professor Carlo Leifert at Newcastle University, who leads the EU-funded Quality Low Input Food project.
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Yeah, it's never bothered me, either. But, you know how people are when they buy their produce- if it's not 100% perfect, they don't buy it. Too many people are too far removed from nature that they expect perfection in everything. I have had people tell me I was "insane" for keeping my veggie and fruit scraps from lunch to take home for our compost. They just have no idea how to reuse our resources.
Enjoying the posts on organic food and gardening. This particular post reminded me of the wonderful compost pile we had two years ago and the very healthy garden last year only to find out that rats were invading the compost and had set up residence under our house. We were horrified and stopped the composting. I hate to think what our garden will be like this year. Has anyone else had similar problems and what did you do?
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There was a mouse in our compost once but I've never seen a rat in it, even though my cat tells me that there are rats around the place.
This http://www.recyclenow.com/home_compo...mpost_bin.html has some tips for making the compost inhospitable to rats - don't know if it's any use.
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I <3 organic food! Bananas are the biggest difference for me, I cannot eat non organic (taste like chemicals) bananas anymore. And organic berries are a lot better than non organic! I think having organic greens is really important, too!
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Organic Food Myths
Organic Food Myths
Skeptoid #19
January 05, 2007
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Today we're going to put on our tie dyed shirt, grow our hair long and dirty, claim hatred for science and corporate America, then walk into the most expensive specialty supermarket in town and purchase one of the most overpriced products on the market today: Organic food.
Organic food is a conventional food crop (genetically exactly the same plant variety as the regular version) but grown according to a different set of standards. In this sense, organic food is really the same thing as kosher food. The food itself is identical, but it's prepared in such a way to conform to different philosophical standards. Just as kosher standards are defined by rabbinical authorities, the USDA's National Organic Program sets the requirements for foods to bear a "certified organic" label. Basically it forbids the use of modern synthetic fertilizers and pesticides in favor of organic equivalents, and for animals it requires that they have not been kept healthy through the use of antibiotics. There are other rules too, and the basic goal is to require the use of only natural products throughout the growth, preparation, and preservation stages.
Organic food is more expensive than conventional food, due not only to its lower crop yields and more expensive organic fertilizers and pesticides in larger quantities, but mainly because it's such a big fad right now and is in such high demand.
Why is that? Is organic food healthier? Does it make an important political statement? The usual arguments boil down to three: that it benefits small farmers rather than big evil companies; that it's somehow healthier to eat; and that the cultivation method is better for the environment. Rather than accepting these emotionally satisfying benefits at face value, let's instead take a skeptical look and see what the data actually show. Let's take these three claimed benefits one at a time.
Buying organic food benefits small farmers, and represents a blow to the big food corporations.
All right, let's take for granted the position that major food producers deserve to be struck with a blow. I'm sure the starving millions in Africa appreciate the sentiment.
Make no mistake, organic food is big, big business. The days when the organic produce section of the supermarket represented the product of a small local farmer are long gone. California alone produces over $600 million in organic produce, most of it coming from just five farms, who are also the same producers of most non-organic food in the state. 70 percent of all organic milk is controlled by just one major milk producer.
Five or ten years ago, when the major food producers saw that organic food was coming into vogue, what do you think they did? They smelled higher prices charged for less product, and started producing organic crops. Nearly all organic crops in the United States are either grown, distributed, or sold by exactly the same companies who produce conventional crops. They don't care which one you buy. You're not striking a blow at anyone, except at your own pocketbook.
Trader Joe's is a supermarket chain specializing in organic, vegetarian, and alternative foods with hundreds of locations throughout the United States, centered in organic-happy Southern California. Shoppers appreciate its image of healthful food in a small-business family atmosphere. Really? In 2005 alone, Trader Joe's racked up sales estimated at $4.5 billion. The company is owned by a family trust set up by German billionaire Theo Albrecht, ranked the 22nd richest man in the world by Forbes in 2004. He's the co-founder and CEO of German multi-national ALDI, with global revenue in grocery sales at $37 billion. According to Business Week, the decade of the 1990's saw Trader Joe's increase its profits by 1000%. Trader Joe's also compensates its employees aggressively, with starting salaries for supervisors at $40,000. They hire only non-union workers. Now, to any capitalist or business-minded person, there's nothing wrong with any of that (unless you're pro-union or anti-big business). It's a great company, and very successful. Trader Joe's customers are willing to pay their premium prices to get that healthful image. But they should not kid themselves that they're striking a blow at big business and supporting the little guy.
I'm not exactly sure why anticorporatism wound up on the organic food agenda, since it's so counterintuitive. The irony is that the organic food companies supply a smaller amount of food per acre planted, and enjoy dramatically higher profits, which is why anticorporatists hate corporations in the first place.
For more information about organic food as big business, go to consumerfreedom.com and do a search for organic foods.
Organic foods are healthier to eat.
Did you ever wonder why Chinese drink only hot tea? They boil it to kill the bacteria. Most local Chinese farming uses organic methods, in that the only fertilizers used are human and animal waste: Without being boiled, it's basically a nice cup of E. coli. In the case of China and other poor Asian nations, the reason for organic farming has less to do with ideology and more to do with lack of access to modern farming technology.
The National Review reports that Americans believe organic food is healthier by a 2-1 margin, despite the lack of any evidence supporting this. When you take the exact same strain of a plant and grow it in two different ways, its chemical and genetic makeup remain the same. One may be larger than the other if one growing method was more efficient, but its fundamental makeup and biochemical content is defined by its genes, not by the way it was grown. Consumer Reports found no consistent difference in appearance, flavor, or texture. A blanket statement like "organic cultivation results in a crop with superior nutritional value" has no logical or factual basis.
Some supporters of organic growing claim that the danger of non-organic food lies in the residues of chemical pesticides. This claim is even more ridiculous: Since the organic pesticides and fungicides are less efficient than their modern synthetic counterparts, up to seven times as much of it must be used. Organic pesticides include rotenone, which has been shown to cause the symptoms of Parkinson's Disease and is a natural poison used in hunting by some native tribes; pyrethrum, which is carcinogenic; sabadilla, which is highly toxic to honeybees; and fermented urine, which I don't want on my food whether it causes any diseases or not. Supporters of organics claim that the much larger amounts of chemicals they use is OK because those chemicals are all-natural. But just because something is natural doesn't mean that it's safe or healthy — consider the examples of hemlock, mercury, lead, toadstools, box jellyfish neurotoxin, asbestos — not to mention a nearly infinite number of toxic bacteria and viruses (E. coli, salmonella, bubonic plague, smallpox). When you hear any product claim to be healthy because its ingredients are all natural, be skeptical. By no definition can "all natural" mean that a product is healthful.
Consider the logical absurdity proposed by those who claim conventional growers produce less healthful food. To the organically minded, conventional growers are evil greedy corporations interested only in their profit margin. What's the best way to improve the profit margin? To buy less pesticides and fertilizer. This means they must use far more advanced and efficient products. The idea that pesticides leave dangerous residues is many decades out of date. Food production is among the most regulated and scrutinized of processes, and today's synthetic pesticides and fertilizers are completely biodegradable. They're supported by decades of studies that demonstrate their total safety.
In the United States, 2006 brought two major outbreaks of E. coli, both resulting in deaths and numerous illnesses, ultimately traced to organically grown spinach and lettuce. According to the Center for Global Food Issues, organic foods make up about 1% of all the food sold in the United States, but it accounts for 8% of E. coli cases.
Organic growing methods are better for the environment.
Organic methods require about twice the acreage to produce the same crop, thus directly resulting in the destruction of undeveloped land. During a recent Girl Scout field trip to Tanaka Farms in Irvine, California, one of the owners told us his dirty little secret that contradicts what you'll find on his web site. Market conditions compelled them to switch to organic a few years ago, and he absolutely hates it. The per-acre yield has been slashed. Organic farming produces less food, and requires more acreage.
Many so-called environmentalists generally favor organic farming, at the same time that they protest deforestation to make room for more agriculture. How do they reconcile these directly conflicting views? If you want to feed a growing population, you cannot do both, and soon won't be able to do either. If you support rainforest preservation, logically you should oppose organic farming, particularly in the developing world. On the other hand, if you demand organic soybeans, then you should have the courage to stand up and say that you don't care whether black and brown people around the world have enough to eat or not.
I'm not making this stuff up. For every dreadlocked white kid beating a bongo drum in favor of organics, there is a Ph.D. agriculturist warning about its short sightedness and urging efficient modern agriculture to feed our growing population. Personally I like forests and natural areas, so I favor using the farmlands that we already have as efficiently as possible. This benefits everyone. I say we dump the useless paranormal objections to foods freighted with evil corporate hate energy, and instead use our brains to our advantage for once. When we find a better way to grow the same crop faster, stronger, healthier, and on less acreage, let's do it. We all benefit.
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4019
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organic growing methods short-sighted? hah
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organic growing methods short-sighted? hah
Why do you say that? I assume you don't agree with it?
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Why do you say that?
Maybe because a main argument against non-organic farming is that the intense use of synthetic fertilizers and pesticides etc. often is considered exactly that: short-sighted?
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I agree with the article in someways, there are several other things you can apply to the argument too - Organic growing generally uses alot of animal bi-products (not very vegan!), they are often excessively packed and the 'food miles' are usually at least on a par with conventional 'veg'.
I am not saying organic is bad, it is just not as good as most people make out! There are obviously many good reasons for organic.
Organic does taste better IMO. Ideally home grow vegan-organic, if thats not possible I would buy locally grown unpackaged food as preference (for least environmental impact). I am lucky as I have a few local organic farms where I can buy veg, one of which uses very few animal bi-products.
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He seems to miss the point out that enough food is produced to feed the world twice over, it's the distribution that's at fault, not the fact that organic food production takes up twice the acreage for the same yield! ( a fact that cam be easily disputed actually if University of Michegan's lates studies are anything to go by. http://www.ns.umich.edu/htdocs/relea...ry.php?id=5936 )
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I get (most of) my Veg from a local organic farm. It is more expensive but I belive it is worth it as it's less damaging to the environment and provides local sustainable employment.
As far as I know the farm doesn't have animals - they do sell freerange eggs but thay don't produce them themselves (and of course I don't buy them).
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Maybe because a main argument against non-organic farming is that the intense use of synthetic fertilizers and pesticides etc. often is considered exactly that: short-sighted?
The use of fertilisers in non-organic farming is by far less intense than the use of fertilisers in organic farming. Just because the fertilisers are 'synthetic' doesn't automatically make them worse. Organic fertilisers can do huge amounts of damage to the environment and as alot more of them are used the potential for environmental and ecological damage is alot worse.
From a vegan perspective (as soilman mentioned earlier in the thread) you also have to remember that alot of the fertilisers used in organic production come from animal waste - a by product of the meat and dairy industries. I personally would rather sever the connection between my food and those industries.
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Conventional farming uses manure too though http://www.defra.gov.uk/farm/environ...ertilisers.htm I think for manure-free veg you'd have to find veganically-grown stuff (or grow it yourself).
At least with organic farming they try to use organic manure (i.e. slightly better husbandry standards) but they don't always succeed unfortunately http://www.soilassociation.org/Web/S...b!OpenDocument
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^ But with non organic far less manure is used, I'd rather less was used than it come from "happy" dead animals.
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There again, conventional farming damages animals in other ways, e.g. habitat destruction
ETA This study is quite interesting http://www.nature.com/nature/journal.../410926a0.html although it's just one study
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With the lower crop yields of organic production more land is needed... hence more habitat destruction.
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Yes, it does take more land, but that may be offset to some extent by the fact that organically farmed land itself may provide a better habitat for wildlife than conventionally farmed.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4740609.stm
Also AIUI the effects of conventional pesticides may extend beyond the boundaries of the land under cultivation.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle565216.ece
I agree the picture isn't at all clear and I suspect that best practice in conventional farming probably has less environmental impact than "worst practice" in organic farming. Also there is quite a lot of overlap in what the two groups do (some farmers adopt many organic techniques but don't go for organic certification for economic reasons, apparently).
It might make more sense to rate farms on a list of "sustainability" criteria rather than continue the current binary organic/not-organic system.
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With the lower crop yields of organic production more land is needed... hence more habitat destruction.
What did you make of that University of Michigan article?
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The thing about that article is it's comparing what they call 'low-intensive methods' to organic farming and only in developing countries.
It is explained further down in the article why;
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While that seems counterintuitive, it makes sense because in developing countries, many farmers still do not have the access to the expensive fertilizers and pesticides that farmers use in developed countries to produce those high yields, she said.
So it's not really the same as comparing organic to non organic in 'developed' countries where fertilisers and pesticides are readily available.
Even if production from organic could/can match that of non organic it still requires manure which requires large amounts of grazing land for animals to produce it.
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The thing about that article is it's comparing what they call 'low-intensive methods' to organic farming and only in developing countries.
It is explained further down in the article why;
So it's not really the same as comparing organic to non organic in 'developed' countries where fertilisers and pesticides are readily available.
Even if production from organic could/can match that of non organic it still requires manure which requires large amounts of grazing land for animals to produce it.
Manure is mainly produced indoors actually,where cattle are kept and eat sleep and shit in large sheds. I'd hate to be the guy that goes around collecting it from an open field, lol!
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For more information about organic food as big business, go to
consumerfreedom.com and do a search for organic foods.
I'm staying out of this thread's general debate because it would take days of research on my part to form an opinion which I don't have time for and I don't currently consider myself well versed on the topic, but I did want to point out that "www.consumerfreedom.com" is the multi-million dollar propaganda mill of a hired gun lobbyist named Rick Berman. He has no scientific credentials but for enough money he will launch web based smear campaigns against anyone he is hired to do so against. Prior clients have included the tobacco, alcohol, anti-union, pro-trans fat fast food, anti-animal rights, and salt industries.
Watch this CBSNEWS news video exposee to learn what "Dr. Evil" is all about.
His modus operandi is to say the things his clients can't say in public. If Philip Morris, for example, launched websites under their own name saying, "Second hand smoke is safe and should be of no concern" it could easily come back to haunt them. By hiring Rick Berman to do the same, however, they still get the message out there yet have no traceable culpability.
Although I don't normally condone the use of ad hominem arguments (attacking the credentials of one's opponent), I do think pointing out what this man does as a profession is warranted in this instance.
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I'm staying out of this thread's general debate because it would take days of research on my part to form an opinion which I don't have time for and I don't currently consider myself well versed in the topic, but I did want to point out that "www.consumerfreedom.com" is the multi-million dollar propaganda mill of a hired gun lobbyist named Rick Berman. He has no scientific credentials but for enough money he will launch web based smear campaigns against anyone he is hired to do so against. Prior clients have included the tobacco, alcohol, anti-union, pro-trans fat fast food, anti-animal rights, and salt industries.
Watch this
CBSNEWS news video exposee to learn what "Dr. Evil" all about.
His modus operandi is to say the things his clients can't say in public. If Philip Morris, for example, launched websites under their
own name saying, "Second hand smoke is safe and should be of no concern" it could easily come back to haunt them. By hiring Rick Berman to do the same, however, they still get the message out there yet have no traceable culpability.
Although I don't normally condone the use of ad hominem arguments (attacking the credentials of one's opponent), I do think pointing out what this man does
as a profession is warranted in this instance.
I noticed reading through some of the older articles there seemed to be a corporated 'bias'!
The links on the front page were interesting as well!!
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/images/arrow_red.gifActivistCash.comhttp://www.consumerfreedom.com/images/arrow_red.gifAnimalScam.comhttp://www.consumerfreedom.com/images/arrow_red.gifCSPIScam.comhttp://www.consumerfreedom.com/images/arrow_red.gifMercuryFacts.orghttp://www.consumerfreedom.com/images/arrow_red.gifPetaKillsAnimals.comhttp://www.consumerfreedom.com/images/arrow_red.gifPhysicianScam.comhttp://www.consumerfreedom.com/images/arrow_red.gifTrans-FatFacts.com