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When honey is obtained in a cruelty free manner, aside from financial exploitation, what better argument could one have besides the fact that honey is actually vomit?
Argument for not eating it?
Do you want me to respond or just leave it at the "bee vomit" comment?
If you want a response, here goes:
a. Bees produce honey for a reason. They use this honey for their own purposes. Humans have no right to steal it from them, the same as we have no right to take cow milk from a mother cow's calf.
b. Agave nectar is widely available and is animal-product-free.
c. Plant-based diets are most natural and least destructive.
d. When one commits to a plant-based diet, it shouldn't be based on certain restrictions and limitations, such as "Oh, this honey is okay because my friend obtained it himself." You either abstain from it completely or not. Why all of the sudden eat something that isn't necessary for survival?
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Argument for not eating it?
Do you want me to respond or just leave it at the "bee vomit" comment?
If you want a response, here goes:
a. Bees produce honey for a reason. They use this honey for their own purposes. Humans have no right to steal it from them, the same as we have no right to take cow milk from a mother cow's calf.
b. Agave nectar is widely available and is animal-product-free.
c. Plant-based diets are most natural and least destructive.
d. When one commits to a plant-based diet, it shouldn't be based on certain restrictions and limitations, such as "Oh, this honey is okay because my friend obtained it himself." You either abstain from it completely or not. Why all of the sudden eat something that isn't necessary for survival?
Thanks. I agree with all of those points, Mrs. Chaos.
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Also, bees make honey to consume as a winter food. If humans take the honey, then either the bees die, or they have to be given a substitute food such as a sugar solution. Giving their whole lives to make a perfect product only to have it nicked and replaced by something inferior seems like a raw deal to me. I'd rather be the one eating the substitute food.
Speaking of which, golden syrup sometimes does the trick.:)
Ten years ago, whilst staying with a French family in Nice for a fortnight, they bought me a jar of maple syrup that wasn't runny (like every other maple syrup I've ever seen) but thick and spreadable, like thick honey. It was delicious spread on bread as a tartine. I have never found it again in France or the UK even though I have looked long and hard. Anyone know what I'm talking about and where I could get it from?
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I don't think I've ever seen that syrup, but I'm now gonna for sure keep my out for it. It sounds REALLY good, and like a perfect substitute! Thanx for the great idea! :)
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If you like a sweet spread for your bread, you might like to try chestnut spread. It comes from France, and I'm sure it must be available in the UK and USA. We get it here in Canada. It's about $5 for a small tin, but it is very sweet.
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I don't think I've ever seen that syrup, but I'm now gonna for sure keep my out for it. It sounds REALLY good, and like a perfect substitute! Thanx for the great idea! :)
Also rice syrup... closest thing I've ever found to honey. It has the same consistency but is not as sweet. I love maple syrup but it's too thin, and treacle etc are too rich. Rice syrup rocks mate. It's even cheaper than honey.
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I'll have to try that too. Can you put it on toast or is best to use just in cooking?
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Yeah it's great on toast yummm
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Ok - thanks I'm going to try it. I've seen it in the grocery store.
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I have a question about honey...I tend to not eat it becuase I consider it an animal product but a raw vegan cookbook I have sometimes calls for honey or maple syrup in the recipes. I always use the syrup but was wondering, is honey vegan, or is it more something that is a choice for vegans to eat or not eat? Sorry about my ignorance, but I'm trying to learn, thanx! :)
:D Well, if the cook book is telling you to use maple syrup and honey, it is neither raw nor vegan! :eek:
Another vote here for raw agave nectar. It is soooooo goooooooood! :)
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:D Well, if the cook book is telling you to use maple syrup and honey, it is neither raw nor vegan! :eek:
Another vote here for raw agave nectar. It is soooooo goooooooood! :)
CC is right about the maple syrup and honey.
How do you eat agave nectar? Can you eat it on toast or is it mainly for use in cooking?
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I didn't realise maple syrup wasn't vegan, but as I only use Agave I suppose I have never bothered checking :)
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I didn't realise maple syrup wasn't vegan, but as I only use Agave I suppose I have never bothered checking :)
Maple syrup is dreamy and vegan but it is not "raw". So, the cookbook isn't 100% vegan because it has honey and isn't 100% raw because it has maple syrup :)
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I think it is possible to sometimes get raw maple syrup, it's just really difficult I think. But thank u for that little tid bit of information as well. And thank u too adam antichrist, I really like rice syrup, it's a great sweetener for things! :D
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I think it is possible to sometimes get raw maple syrup, it's just really difficult I think.
That would be maple sap. VERY different from maple syrup (see the really cool link below) :) http://www.tricountyi.net/~riverside/making.html
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Oh, thank u so much, that's really cool to learn. I'll remember that the next time that I make a raw meal (which isn't TOO often). Thank u again! :) And btw, that site was very informative, thanx for that too, lol.
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You're welcome! I LOVE that site! It's astounding that it can take 55 gallons :eek: of tree sap to make a gallon of maple syrup! So, basically a whole gallon of sap to make a SERVING of maple syrup for a person (with a serving being 1/55 of a gallon of maple syrup ;) ):eek:
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It almost seems a little excessive just for maple syrup, no wonder it's so sweet and yummy though! :o
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I love maple syrup! Especially on vegan waffles :p
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For some reason I started thinking about hollandaise sauce today. If I ate some I doubt I could keep it down these days :rolleyes: but I used to really enjoy making it. Doing the breakfast shift in cafes, it was alwys the first thing to make so often the second thing I'd do was eat some with toast :D
I wouldn't call it a craving, it was a lust but not intense enough to be a craving. Anyway I'm going to stop thinking about it now before it becaomes a full blown craving.
Oh yeah the thing that I was thinking was the only ingrediant in my house these days is white vinegar... no eggs, butter or white wine :p
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You could always have white wine vinegar on tofu, instead of hollandaise on eggs ;)
Mmm sounds yummy :D
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I have a recipe for hollandaise sauce. I will try to find it later...
http://www.veganforum.com/forums/sho...2776#post72776
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I used to really like hollondaise sauce! :D But it was always a little too rich for me though!
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I never ate it, so I guess I don't know what I'm missing :)
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i never ate it either. even before i was vegan the smell and look of it made me feel sick..!
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Ya, i often had the same impression of it, yet when it was served to me i tried it, and if only using a little bit, i liked it on asparagus. Now it just makes me sad that I smothered something so yummy in something so icky and unhealthy! lol, live and learn! :p
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i crave pastries/donuts/baked goods but i'm never really tempted to just eat one... just doesnt seem worth it to me after all i feel so strongly about my way of life.
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have you tried any vegan pastries/pies yet?
in the uk theres a company called jordan valley wholefoods who make amazing spinnach and lentil rolls, Sausage rolls (soya), nutty rice potato top pies etc..they are divine..my omni BF loves them too!
maybe they have something similar where you are to help curb the cravings?
alot of the pastrys (to use for cooking) in the supermarket are vegan but they have hydrogenated oils.. :(
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I have found some vegan apple and cherry strudels at my local bakery. I went through the ingredients with the owner. Their pies (except for the pumpkin pie) are vegan as well.
I know also that down in Australia, Banana has discovered some vegan savoury pies and rolls.
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For a while, I kind of felt like some extra old cheddar cheese. It was like...a semi-craving. But then I had to slice some up at work for a customer, and OMG. THE STENCH! I don't want it anymore. Thank goodness!
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vegan for moral reasons only?
First let me say that as a vegan, I'm in obviously in agreement with the rest of you that consuming animal products is morally wrong. But am I the only one that is vegan solely for that reason and would probably eat meat if it wasn't dead? Now I can do without hamburgers, but if they made a vegan crab with drawn butter or a nice vegan brie, I'd eat those suckers in a second! People ask me if I miss meat at all and I honestly have to say that I do love seafood, especially shellfish (isn't it bizarre that the animals I most miss eating are probably the ones that die the worst death?)
Sorry if I'm grossing anyone out. I know it's not good to dwell on how good eating, say, salmon is when I'm never going to eat it again. But I was just wondering if I'm the only person who thinks these thoughts.
P.S. I'm having a really hard time coming up with an adequate title for this thread.
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10 years of studying human nutrition in the longest and most detailed study ever undertaked shows that eating animal protein, including sea beings is injurious to human health on a large scale. Half of all americans alive today will die from heart disease and related diseases primarliy from consuming the flesh of dead creatures.
To continue to consume them is bizzare. To desire to eat flesh shows the depths of the addiction and the strengh of ingrained habit. To consume flesh is tantamount to slowly poisoning oneself, but even worse it is poisoning the planet. It also degrades our mindset, if we are willing to corral and kill other creatures we are capable of any injustice.
I agree with the philosopher Peter Singer who says that in the future our ancestors will be horrified by the treatment and use of animals in our age.
In South East Asia there is a saying:
"When the Godess of Compassion (Quan Yin) was asked "Why is there so much suffering in the world" she replied "Go and look in the slaughter house and you will see why"
Antony:)
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You don't have to convince me that consuming flesh is wrong, both from a moral standpoint and from a health standpoint. And I admit that craving shellfish is a symptom of addiction. That doesn't change that I do crave seafood, whether I want to or not. Believe me, I would change that if I could. I was just curious to see if anyone else around here suffers the same cravings I do.
Incidentally, I grew up on the coast of northern California, and it's pretty normal to crave the "comfort" foods from your childhood. That doesn't mean eating them is a good idea.
Love,
Anna
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:D You remind me of my partner. He's been lacto-ovo for roughly 10 years now. Last christmas my brothers asked him that if it were possible to grow a nice piece of meat in a test tube without killing any living creature, would he eat it? He almost started drooling. I'm the one who's more into health reasons and moving us toward vegan but he has shown remarkable discipline even though he freely admits he loves meat. It's all about the ethics to him.
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I was reading something interesting the other day, it is that humans do not possess the testebuds that would allow us to taste animal protein. Cats do and other carnivorous creatures do but we do not. So there are two things left that is the texture of flesh and the taste of the condiments and flavours that people add, oh I guess the third thing is the mindstuff that goes with it.
That's interesting isn't it, no tastebuds to taste the flesh of other beings.
I don't have cravings, I guess that could be difficult.
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I don't have cravings, but freely admit that I loved the taste of flesh and am vegan purely for moral reasons.
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I was reading something interesting the other day, it is that humans do not possess the testebuds that would allow us to taste animal protein. Cats do and other carnivorous creatures do but we do not. So there are two things left that is the texture of flesh and the taste of the condiments and flavours that people add, oh I guess the third thing is the mindstuff that goes with it.
That's interesting isn't it, no tastebuds to taste the flesh of other beings.
I don't have cravings, I guess that could be difficult.
Can you remember where you read that?
That's really interesting...
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10 years of studying human nutrition in the longest and most detailed study ever undertaked shoes that eating animal protein, including sea beings is injurious to human health on a large scale. Half of all americans alive today will die from heart disease and related diseases primarliy from consuming the flesh of dead creatures.
To continue to consume them is bizzare. To desire to eat flesh shows the depths of the addiction and the strengh of ingrained habit. Tp consume flesh is tantamount to slowly poisoning oneself, but even worse it is poisoning the planet. It also degrades our mindset, if we are willing to corral and kill other creatures we are capable of any injustice.
i agree with the philosopher Peter Singer who says that in the future our ancestors will be horrified by the treatment and use of animals in our age.
In South East Asia there is a saying:
"When the Godess of Compassion (Quan Yin) was asked "Why is there so much suffering in the world" she replied "Go and look in the slaughter house and you will see why"
Antony:)
Well said.