http://www.notmilk.com/
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WOW great site in a grossly informative kind of way :)
Theres also www.milksucks.com
freaky - i just checked milksucks out and got a BK popup!! :mad:
Hi, I moved the made a new thread of the posts that discussed whether Robert Cohen/Jack Norris/Stephen Walsh caused harm to the vegan movement. It's here.
I've recently started feeding (or overfeeding, if there is such a thing) my brain with information (books particularly) about the meat and dairy industry and the horrible things they are doing to people right under their noses! I've read some things concerning the dairy industry, but I've had a hard time finding a well researched book specifically about this subject. Does anyone have any suggestions?
Also, if there are other books that anyone would like to suggest that I read (I like having good, solid, documented information to use when my grandparents and aunt question my eating habits)?
So far I have: "The Food Revolution", "Fast Food Nation", "Diet For A New America", "Slaughterhouse", "Vegan: The New Ethics of Eating"...there are a couple more, but I can't remember them off the top of my head.
Another thing I read somewhere and was curious about, although I'm not sure I can completley trust this person, was that soy milk is "supposedly" much worse for you than cows milk. I know this is a completley false statement, and I wondered what would prompt someone to say something like this, other than the fact that the dairy industry has beaten their message into our heads since the second we could listen and comprehend anything. Any ideas on this?
Thanks so much!!
Jen :o)
There was a study into the ill effects of soya quoted on the BBc a month or so ago, but the sample was very small. I also couldn't find any other information on the other possible health factors of the people involved - i.e. if they were smokers etc. I would regard this as highly suspicious. As I'm sure you have read, the dairy (and meat) industry is good at funding studies that try to prove their claims but they often prove the opposite.
The study said Soya can slow down sperm, and thus can affect fertility. However the affects of this sperm-slowing chemical go away after 2 days of not ingesting soya. So simply put, don't drink soya milk around the most fertile time of the month and it wont affect conception.
The BBC was making this out as if all vegans are infertile freaks, when really I should imagine the healthy vegan will conceive far faster and easier than the fat, unhealthy meat-eater. Also like SPJ said, it was a tiny sample of people in the study and smoking, alcohol etc wasn't factored in.
The healthy eating lady on the 'This Morning' show ITV was being negative about soya milk recently too, saying it wasn't as good as cows milk or words to that affect. There was no backup evidence given so I just sent them an e-mail and told them soya milk is much healthier from a cow's perspective. ;)
ITV daytime shows are becoming increasingly like tabloids on film. Nasty.Quote:
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I was telling this friend of mine about how harmful dairy was health-wise, and she said she didn't believe me. So I told her that I could give her some links if she was interested, and if not, then never mind. She said I should give her some links.
So...
I was thinking about directing her to http://www.notmilk.com. But I vaguely remember someone saying that this web site made some dubious arguments or didn't have trustworthy sources or something like that... What do you guys think? Should I give her a link to NotMilk, or should I give her something else (suggestions would be welcome).
Thanks!
You might care to read an article by Dr Campbell here:
http://www.vegsource.com/articles/ca...nyt_brody2.htm
That is because PETA loves Murder King. I have heard those patties aren't even vegan anymore. The bread never was, and the method in which they were prepared was not vegan. Imagine a flame broiled veggie burger with a bunch of dead cow particles on it from the grill, how could that be vegan?Quote:
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Other than that, I like how that site rips cow milk and exposes it for what it truly is.
Check out this thread Hasha.Quote:
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Thanks Eve & Gert. :)
Some may find it distressing.
Check out the Peta video at www.milkgonewild.com
Hahaha...that made my day :D
gross
thats great... one more hillarious way to reach the people.:D
:mad:
Yuck! I hope it at least has the desired effect - I'm not sure the point will be that obvious to the uninitiated.
Super Bowl bans Animal rights campaign on milk
By Andrew Gumbel in Los Angeles
Published: 06 February 2006
http://news.independent.co.uk
Declaring war on milk is a cause unlikely to win many converts. On the other hand, depicting nubile young women getting drunk and pulling their tops off is more or less guaranteed to hold the momentary attention of at least 50 per cent of the planet.
That appears to be the logic behind the latest advertising campaign from People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, or Peta, the leading US animal rights campaign organisation.
A lavishly-produced television spot mimics the publicity for a sexploitation video venture called Girls Gone Wild: good-looking college girls go on spring break and flash for the cameras.
But in the Peta version, the girls have udders instead of breasts, which soon start leaking milk.
Using the slogan "Milk Gone Wild", the adverts aren't so much shocking as laugh-out-loud ridiculous. It's not clear what link is being made between the exhibitionist college girls and the supposed iniquities of milk.
Only a visit to the Milk Gone Wild website, and a viewing of a short documentary narrated by the actor Alec Baldwin, explains the case against the accompaniment to every kid's bowl of breakfast cereal.
Milk, Peta says, is the product of an industry gone wild, in which cows are separated from their offspring, only to be slaughtered for meat once they have outlived their productivity.
Milk, we are also told, contains pus and animal faeces and, contrary to received wisdom that says its calcium is good for your bones, might just as easily give you osteoporosis as prevent it.
This is probably not a message middle America is ready to hear, at least not without creating an unfortunate backlash. Nor is it likely to be aired on television in any major markets.
Peta offered to pay $2.2m (£1.2m) to the ABC network to air it during last night's Super Bowl but was turned down on the grounds the advert "falls outside the boundaries of good taste".
This was, admittedly, a disingenuous reason. Previous Super Bowl adverts have included a dog biting a man in the crotch, a flatulent horse, and any number of pitches for erectile dysfunction remedies.
By now, crying foul about censorship is part and parcel of Peta's campaigning platform. The advert, meanwhile, remains freely available for anyone with access to a computer to watch. And the verdict from iFilm, the online movie forum currently hosting the clip? "It's udderly disgusting."
Their Q&A is pretty funny. I like this line from it: "Protein deficiency is almost unheard of, unless you live in a famine-stricken country or you’re Kate Moss."
Ugh. I know they mean well essentially, but this is an example of why I hate PETA.
I'm a PETA supporter, but I do seriously think they need to reassess how they express things sometimes.....
They can be a tad over the top and embarrassing in my opinion, which could turn off potential supporters.
I can, however, see the point they're trying to get across with this footage though.
Pretty weird stuff.
I think it's not only hilarious but disgustingly gross - which is what it's meant to be I guess - to help people understand what exactly milk is!
I don't think this helps. It just comes across as weird and smutty and disgusting but I don't think the link between milk used in coffee and on cereal comes from a cows 'breasts' is actually easy to see.
:rolleyes: totally dumb. i can't help thinking more people will think it's sexy in a weird way, than it putting anybody off cows milk.
:eek:
seriously... i know of some guys with breastmilk fetishes :eek:
The following report was posted in the British Medical Journal and was passed onto me by a vegan doctor.
Please comment and pass this info on to interested parties.
BMJ 2006;333:763-764 (14 October), doi:10.1136/bmj.38996.499410.BE
Editorial
Bone health in children
Guidelines for calcium intake should be revised.
Conventional wisdom, public policy on nutrition in many westernised countries, and advertisements for dairy products link increased consumption of calcium to better bone health and prevention of osteoporosis in later life.
However, a meta-analysis by Winzenberg and colleagues in this week's BMJ shows that calcium supplementation in children is unlikely to result in a clinically relevant decrease in the risk of fracture in childhood or in later life.1
Previous research has questioned whether increasing calcium intake through diet or supplements benefits children's or young adults' bones. Exercise significantly increased bone density and bone strength, but calcium intake between 500 and 1500 mg had no effect on the same outcomes in adolescent girls studied prospectively for 12 years as they passed into young adulthood.2 Of three qualitative reviews of literature published in this decade, two concluded that it is not known whether the modest increments in rate of bone gain after supplementation with calcium or dairy produce will translate into clinically meaningful reductions in the risk of osteoporosis later in life or even persist beyond the treatment period.3 4 The third concluded that increases in dairy or total dietary calcium intake did not reliably increase bone mineral density or reduce fracture rate in children or adolescents.5
None the less, the recommended intake of calcium in children remains high in the United Kingdom, the European Union, Australia, the United States, and Canada (350-800 mg/day for children and 800-1300 for adolescents).6 Consequently, policy guidelines and nutrition programmes promote the intake of two to four servings of dairy products daily. For example, the US government promotes the consumption of three or more servings of cow's milk or other dairy products daily, and it subsidises the distribution of dairy products through the national school lunch programme and the women's, infants', and children's nutrition programme. The justification has been to avert a so called "calcium crisis" (a mismatch between calcium intake and recommendations) thought to be responsible for high rates of osteoporosis later in life.
What if we—researchers, paediatricians, marketers, and policy experts—have been wrong? What if increasing calcium intake in youth has no significant impact on fracture risk in early or later life as Winzenberg and colleagues conclude? Populations that consume the most cow's milk and other dairy products have among the highest rates of osteoporosis and hip fracture in later life.6 7 Given this fact, it is important to ask whether sufficient evidence exists to continue assuming that consumption of these foods is part of the solution.
Furthermore, we need to ask the question of whether we are doing children a disservice by encouraging them to meet recommendations. Childhood obesity is on the rise in westernised countries, and dairy products—the main source of calcium recommended by nutrition guidelines—contribute greatly to the intake of fat and sugar in children.8 Nearly three quarters of the world's population are estimated to be lactose intolerant after the age of weaning and therefore do not tolerate the consumption of milk and other dairy products well. In addition, some studies suggest that the consumption of cow's milk increases the risk of some types of cancer.9 10
The meta-analysis by Winzenberg and colleagues strengthens previous evidence that calcium or dairy products do not have a clinically relevant impact on bone health in youth. The focus on calcium recommendations in nutrition policy and research draws attention away from more comprehensive research on how to promote long term bone health among young people. Public health would be better served by researching how other dietary and lifestyle factors affect children's bones. Promising areas include the effect of regular exercise, vitamin D status, increasing fruit and vegetable consumption, limiting salt intake, limiting or avoiding animal protein, and avoiding smoking.
It is time to revise our calcium recommendations for young people and change our assumptions about the role of calcium, milk, and other dairy products in the bone health of children and adolescents. While the policy experts work on revising recommendations, doctors and other health professionals should encourage children to spend time in active play or sports, and to consume a nutritious diet built from whole foods from plant sources to achieve and maintain a healthy weight and provide an environment conducive to building strong bones.
Amy Joy Lanou, assistant professor
Department of Health and Wellness, CPO 2730, University of North Carolina Asheville, Asheville, NC 28806, USA
(alanou@unca.edu )
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Competing interests: None declared.
Research p 775
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That's great. I'm bookmarking it to read later. :)
Great article thanks!
I've heard that people who drink milk actually have an INCREASED risk of bone fractures as opposed to people who don't. I heard it on a vegan podcast - "Vegetarian food for thought."
Studies also say that people who live in places like Japan who consume less milk have decreased fractures when compared with American.
Here's a link:
http://milk.elehost.com/html/osteoporosis.html
I've been a vegetarian for about two years now, and I haven't been drinking milk since around november, and i was a vegan for a month or so this year, i caved one day over a cake and haven't been back to it since, but i plan on returning as of today. as for alternative milks, this is a very typical thing to ask, but what is the best unsweetened, calcium-fortified soy/rice/almond etc. based milk that i can consume, i remember having one that i absolutely loved, but i can't remember what it was. the only thing i cannot stand is pure soybeans and water, it's too bean-y for plain drinking, excellent for cooking but i am looking for something to drink plain. any advice would be utterly fantastic and appreciated.
Rice milk is nice to drink plain.
Personally I really like apro soya light :) It seems to be less 'beany' than the others :)
OoO Oat milk is nice too :)
I don't think we can get the alpro stuff in north america, but I've heard great things about it.
I really like So Nice and Vitasoy. Most people say that the long-life soymilks that you get on the shelf (instead of the refrigerated section) aren't as good as the refrigerated stuff, but I really like Vitasoy. I can drink the "creamy original" straight up, though it is sweetened. They make an unsweetened version that I put on my cereal though. And So Nice makes good unsweetened soymilk too.
Welcome to the forum Herbivore, and good luck on your soymilk hunt :) See you around the forum!
Rice and oat milk aren't as strong tasting, and rice milk has a naturally sweetish flavour.
Almond milk is nice providing you like the taste of almonds.
All v.yummy :)
Hazelnut milk is decent but expensive. I like oat milk best of all and the price is right. However, I've been a porridge-eater all my life, so that might be why.