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Hi Tomo
Milk and cheese production in fact causes huge suffering and death for cows, goats etc. I'd suggest you have a read through the information on these pages of the Vegan society (http://www.vegansociety.com/html/animals/exploitation/) - follow the links on the right.
Vegans also do not wear wollen clothes.
Welcome!
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Other than the suffering of animals in milk and cheese production that mogthecat mentioned, it is proven that milk is NOT meant for human consumption. Milk is actually dangerous to consume (for humans) and is only meant for baby calves. Where do you think the milk would go if humans didn't take it? The baby calves!
Check out some of the threads on here for more detailed information (our moderator has very detailed threads with all sorts of good links and information!).
Also, vegans do not use anything from animals because it is wrong to forcefully take something from an animal. It is not ours to use! Wool is taken from sheep who often suffer after or during the time wool is taken from their bodies (summer heat/ sunburns, winter cold, skin infections, leg or muscle injuries, etc).
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Female mammals produce milk for their young. To take that milk, you deprive the young. So what happens to the young? Death, for the purposes of economy
That is why vegans do not drink milk, amongst other reasons.
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Female mammals produce milk for their young. To take that milk, you deprive the young. So what happens to the young?
veal.
(i know u know breezy :p)
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don't make me start on you, rub-a-dub-dub.
But yes, I know. That's what I meant by death. Not only are their mothers crippled, distended and diseased, but the lucky male calves get taken off, tied to a crate and live in their own filth for a few short months 'til they're exported and killed. The females will probably be forced to live like their mothers as well - forcibly impregnated against their will and then refused the bond with the product of these pregnancies. Only to become distended and diseased too.
All of this until their bodies are pushed beyond their means (having had to produce more calves for their milk than they would have chosen to naturally) and are slaughtered for cheap pet and burger meat.
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"but it tastes so good":mad:
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Tomo, I think many folks don't realize the death and suffering that are caused by eating dairy and egg products, and wearing wool, silk, down, leather, etc. People aren't really aware of it because those industries work very hard to suppress that info and keep us all thinking those animals are happy and healthy and happy to give their lives for us.
The boy calves and chicks die horrendous deaths (not needed for milk and egg industries, so they're discarded in really bad ways) and the adult females left live very short lives of suffering. Once their production drops, at less than 1/3 natural life span, they're slaughtered.
Silkworms are boiled alive in their coccoons (cheaper that way), and sheep and geese are slaughtered at an extremely young age too (which is what a large percentage of your wool and down comes from).
I'm sorry, I don't mean to be so preachy, but I honestly didn't realize all this either at one point, and said the same as you - I thought no animals were getting hurt for these products. Once I found out, the only logical thing I could do was stop contributing to this. Hope this helps.
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and sheep are slaughtered at an extremely young age too
Not to mention mulesing
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Hi Tomo
Milk and cheese production in fact causes huge suffering and death for cows, goats etc. I'd suggest you have a read through the information on these pages of the Vegan society (
http://www.vegansociety.com/html/animals/exploitation/) - follow the links on the right.
Vegans also do not wear wollen clothes.
Welcome!
I had a mate that got a jersey spun out of all the hair he collected everytime he brushed his dogs, there's a woman in Germany that you send the hair to and yer measurements and she spins it, knits it and sends back the finished article! Odd but, as i could see no animal suffering involved, nothing really questionable about it ethically in my mind!:D
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Could you send your own hair?
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Could you send your own hair?
Think you'd need more than one persons hair to get enough for a jersey, lol!
Dairy: what is it that the dairy industry does to animals that's so bad?
I'm well aware of the horrors of animal slaughter. It's disgusting and cruel. So I'm a vegeterian.
I'm toying with the idea of becoming a vegan, but the problem is, I really don't know what it is that the dairy industry does to animals that's so bad. Do any of you all know?
I feel like I need to have a good reason to give up cheese (it's the one thing in this world I truly love.) and all I can find is websites promoting dairy farms.