Bengali. I posted my picture on the The Real People's "Sexiest Vegan" Poll thread :o page 48 or 49 I cant remember.
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Bengali. I posted my picture on the The Real People's "Sexiest Vegan" Poll thread :o page 48 or 49 I cant remember.
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Oh yes, I finds it at 49. Thanks. You are awesome. You appears to be as mixed one. Black hair, back eyes.
There is an interesting article about Veganism in India in the latest issue of the UK Vegan Soc magazine.
Mentions how Gandhi supported the values of the Vegetarian movement when he studied in England.
Blueshark, I have not subscribed it, can you summarise it??
I would be obliged if you can scan that article and mail me.
Manish Jain
I too am from Udupi, a brahmin by birth, and a vegan from south India. Though I am living in Goa and Kiran in UK, we have common roots!
Best wishes,
Shankar Narayan.
Further to Blueshark,s entry above. Gandhi was fundamental to the UK vegetarian movement from 1888 to 1891. He was friends with Henry Salt and many other prominent vegetarians.As for veganism in India, i feel that its very easy to live vegan in india, even to find vegan food. Its just that there are many folk who simply don,t see it as too big a deal. Thus, vegan food will be seen by the vendors as just vegetarian.India is great.
Wow!! Shannade!! Glad to meet another Bhramin priest from Udupi. :D :D I hope you are strict to your priestly duties. I still follow my rituals after coming to the UK. I try to do my best. I still have my holy thread on me, unlike many Bhramin priests who are already here.
I would love to visit Krishna Mutt when I come to India in summer. Looking forward to it.
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Dear All,
We have organised a "Exhibition on Vegan life" at Indore one who is
interested, can share joy of spreading Compassionate life style by
attending it -
Date:- 11th April,2006.
Timing:- 10 am to 3pm
Venue: Gandhi Hall ( within walking distance from Indore Rly Station)
M.G.Road,
Indore.
Contact: 098270-71824
E-mail : manish@indianvegan.com
Program : Display of colorful posters in Hindi and English,
Distribution of leaflets,exhibition of movies. followed by
Vegan lunch
Expected gathering: Min.1000 Maximum 4000-7000
Occassion: Celeberation of Mahaveer Jayanti
Regards.
Manish Jain.
Hi Manish,
Looks like an exciting event. Hope you manage to convert many omnis into veggies and veggies into vegans. A vegan fayre in India seems very new and an outstanding attempt to educate people. I am quite sure that many Indians can make the transition from vegetarianism to veganism quite easily as long as they have the required learning resources. I think the fayre will be an effective point to learn about ethical living.
Does this have any media coverage, and is this an annual thing?
All the best and let us know how it goes. Any photos and excerpts from interviews will be much appreciated.
Thanks
Kiran
I agree with Kiran.Indeed many Indians are already eating vegan most or all of the time, of that i am certain.Many people just simply don,t see it as such a big deal. India seems to me to be a land where the distinction between vegetarian and vegan often blurs, much more so than in the western world. Heres wishing you well for the exhibition.And if a little man hailing from Dharamsala arrives, touting a vegan holiday where the hosts eat meat..tell him to clear off please. Somehow i doubt you,ll hear of him.
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Apart from meat eaters, Vegetarians people here followings :-
Wine/beer
Eggs ( in cakes,Pastries and Omlettes)
Dairy products. Even a poor person uses milk in Chai. No one drink chai without Milk
Ice cream
White Sugar ( No one can dream without it )
Leather products, belt, shoes
Woolen
Silk
Toothpaste
Soaps
Shampoos
Gelatine thru capsules of medicines.
etc etc.
Manish Jain
I was talking of dietary matters, not leather belts, with all due respect to you.
Yeah, it is ok. But there are millions of people here who does not eat meat but they do eat chicken,fish,eggs.:(Quote:
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Like in West Bengal Vegetarian people eat Fish just as good as they eat Vegetables.:(
Manish Jain
My point is quite simply that there are very many vegetarians who don,t eat eggs..indeed it,s common wisdom in England for India,s vegetarians to be seen as folk who never eat eggs, and of course they don,t eat fish or meat. Very recently i had the pleasure of meeting a Gujarati colleague..no eggs, meat or fish..ever..just like the Mahatma, the father of 20th century ahimsa.
I understand your point. :) I am glad that in India Meat/Beef is not commonly available everwhere.
I would say, you are lucky to find such person. And he must be a Jain !
I would say Jain community is generally close to Vegan life except they enjoy dairy products.
I would say, Jain community is most compassionate community in India.
But unfortunately, Indian Bakery products are very doubtful.
Vegetarians people do not bother about Eggs in Cakes/Pastries/Baked Samosa.
Manish Jain
I din't say many people in India are vegans. They are predominatly vegetarians, but leather, wool, eggs, milk and fish are quite common in diets. This varies from place to place. Though the fact remains that changing from vegetarianism to veganism in India is easy.Quote:
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Yes I too agree that it is easy to change...only problem of availability of Soya Milk.
Do not you believe, Kiran, :) that people here in India specially North and West are addicted to Animal milk and its derivatives like Ghee, Paneer, Curd, Mawa(khowa) than else? :mad: Like in west people are addicted to Cheesse, here people are addicted to Paneer. In Veg restaurnats menu/stuffs are full of Paneer.:mad:
In South India, dairy products are not common, I believe. May be cause they are close with Shri Lanka where dairy products are rare things.:)
Manish Jain
I agree with you Manish. :) This is what I am saying. In Europe, it would be hard to convince people to quit meat and going vegan due to the widely meat based diet. In India, even carnivores have a substantial amount of veggie diet. I know in south India, many carnivores dedicate only week-ends for eating meat and the rest of the days veggie diets.
Convincing people to quit milk in India is an ardous task. My mom thinks I am crazy, but she is trying to understand my principles. As you said Ghee, panner, butter etc are used in daily cooking.
The vegan information fair that you are organising Manish, is the type of events we need in India. But they are quite rare. But I am positive that the situation will change at a good pace.:)
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My first intention is to make them aware that they are not 100% Vegetarian.
100% vegetarian is something different. And the whole Jain community is fully dipped in dairy products, silk, woolen, leather shoes( leather garments are rare in India), Leather upholstery. I get mad so, cause this the community which highly advocates Ahimsa. But their practice differs or it is limited with micro organism or ants or mosquitoes.
Manish Jain
Kiran i never said that you did say many were vegans.I meant to convey my view that many people will actually be living a vegan life without feeling it,s a big deal. The last thing i wanted to do was pretend my views were yours.This entire idea of insisting on ideological purity can come profoundly unstuck. Witness the vegan from UK who when in mcleod ganj, India, annoyed her friend so much that she left her alone..the problem? The person had embarrassed all and sundry with her insistence on taking a metaphorical microscope to each ingredient of all dishes..people get sick of it.She then insisted, for incomprehensible reasons, that it,s fine and dandy for a carnivore duo to host a vegan holiday and meat every day.Can anyone see the logic in that? I can,t. Nor in the conduct of certain others who,ve been keen to hide from vegans in general ,what actually happened on that shameful Himalayan farce.
To Let me View...no she..my dear colleague..isn,t Jain..but is fairly familiar with Jain ideas.Like Gandhi, she hails from Gujarat where Hindu ideas are mixed with Jain ideas.Is anyone seriously out to tell me that with all the vegetarians in India, that many shall not be vegan? There shall be many more vegans than some folk realise.Avery well respected vegan author told me years ago that in Asia, many are vegan yet don,t insist on putting it up in lights all over the show. Ahimsa allied to a life and death battle against poverty mean there,s no place for fancy statements.
Find out Indian Vegan products here--
http://www.bwcindia.org/Vegetarian%2..._brandname.asp
Manish Jain
After reading various posts on this group site, I am writing to clarify a
few things and give some of my opinions.
On an average an Indian non vegetarian is responsible for the deaths of
more than 70 lives a year. Count one chicken a week (= 52 / year) + a couple
of goats (2 * 3) + a calf or 2 from the milk (2) + fish (that¹s more than
70!). I believe that one of the best ways of saving the maximum lives is
turning people vegetarian or vegan. My goal is one person a week on the
average and I believe I am meeting that, or almost meeting that. Each such
person will have a snowball effect * because their parents, friends,
children will change slowly too. But in order to do this one has to be a
healthy vegan; one that can be sure never to fall sick.
Lets face it, most people are not interested in animals or even saving the
planet. They are only interested in saving themselves and their children. So
the best way to urge them is to show them how they can cure their diabetes,
high blood pressure, heart disease, back aches, cancer and other ills is
through veganism without the use of medicines. I am holding talks on this
regularly and also cooking workshops. But all this information can be got
through various books too. I urge everyone to read ŒThe China Study¹ * T
Colin Campbell, ŒBe Your Own Doctor¹ - Anne Wigmore, ŒReversing Heart
Disease¹ * Dean Ornish, and ŒFit for Life¹ * Harvey and Marilyn Diamond. A
good website is also www.notmilk.com which gives a lot of information on the
bad effects of milk. First apply the principles to yourself and then help
others to change.
Human beings are essentially vegan due to our primate descent and our
anatomy. Therefore by eating a correct vegan diet one should never be
lacking in anything. Do cows or other vegan animals lack calcium or have
weak enamel through their vegan diets? Monkeys, the closest species to
ourselves also do not have B12 deficiencies. Their anatomy is very close to
our own. So it is better to ask what are we doing wrong to have any
shortages or problems. In truth a correct vegan diet without the use of
refined products is healthiest for a human being because our anatomy is made
for that. In fact eating what you are not meant to eat is like the cows
being fed slaughter house by products and getting mad cow disease or the
rescued broiler chicken dying of heart attacks after being fed large
quantities of fish and (believe it or not) chicken meal.
I have been 95 - 98% vegan since 20 years and 100 % vegan for 3 1Ž2 years and
have never taken any vitamins, or calcium tablets in this period except a
for a week, 10 years ago when I took vitamin B12. I do not have a single
dental cavity and no other signs of calcium or B12 deficit. B12 is abundant
in meat and milk not because of these food per se but because of the high
levels of bacteria in these foods. If you do not use antibiotics or foods
laced with high doses of pesticides the bacteria in your intestines will
produce all the B12 you need. If you still feel insecure or have a B12
deficiency, add a bacteria rich foods to your diet * eg idlis, dhosas,
sauerkraut, peanut curds, foods containing yeasts and a variety of other
foods. Make rejeuvelac (described in Anne Wigmore¹s book). Health should be
through foods and not through medicines (which are often tested on animals).
Recently I helped a 22 year old type 1 diabetic boy who was taking insulin
injections 3 times a day to stop all the insulin and control the diabetes
purely through a correct vegan diet. Now, 2 months on, after observing the
effects on him, 5 people in his social circle turned vegan. The boy himself
says he has never felt better.
Dr. Nandita Shah ( Homeopath), Vegan from Mumbai/Aurovilel,Pondicherry.
nandita_shah@vsnl.com
Manish Jain
How do you plan to prevent death for humans then? How will vegan food halt the ageing process?
It is statement of a homeopath doctor, you can cross her on email.:)
I just posted what she thinks and what she experienced in her life. As she is not member here, she posted it somwhere else, so I took her permission to post it here.:)
A person is free to express his personal experiences.:)
She is usually invited by many European countries for delivering her lectures on Homeopathy round the year.
As she cures,she knows about the changes in patients.
Personally I do not trust Homeopathy, though there is no Animal testing in that. I guess.:confused:
Manish Jain
http://www.indianvegan.com
Although cow is worshiped all over India, it is the most abused animal in the country. In the dairies, cows are confined in dark, dingy stables and have to sleep over their own urine and excrement. They hardly ever have any chance to go out and roam. Also their calves are taken away from them, against their will, so that their milk is available for sale. This is surely very cruel. The bullocks are used in the field to pull overloaded carts and often hit to get more work out of them. Often, you see cows in cities tied to a pole and people feeding grass to them, thinking they are doing a religious act. However, they should think whether the cows actually would like to be confined there or would they much rather be allowed to roam free in the fields. ---- Surendra Shah 70 years old vegan from Mumbai.
He has been vegan for last 20 years or so.
Manish Jain.
And would you believe that the carcasses of these calves are collected by Kora Kendra, an affiliate of the Khadi Board, under contract to the Municipal Corporation, and their skins are used by the Khadi Board to make “Ahimsa” footwear and leather goods? When I questioned the head of the Khadi Store here, he had the cheek to say that the animals died a natural death since they were not slaughtered!! Mahatma Gandhi must be wondering how an institution founded by him can do such a thing. ---Surendra Shah,Mumbai
Manish Jain
NOw it is Kelloggs's turn ? Beaware !!
www.kelloggnutrition.com
USA, March 9, 2006: Pardip Kumar of Malaysia sent us (HPI)the following material which comes from the Kellog's website at "source." The information reveals that several of the popular snack products that appear to be vegetarian are actually not.
Gelatin is used to help the texture of the product and is derived from either beef or pork. Kellogg's(R) Frosted Mini-Wheats(R) and Kellogg's(R) Rice Krispies Treats(R) cereals contain type B gelatin, which is derived from beef.
Whenever marshmallow ingredients are present in a Kellogg's(R)cereal brand, the marshmallow contains type A gelatin, which is derived from pork. Kellogg's(R) Krave(TM) Snack Bars also contain type A gelatin derived from pork sources.
Type B gelatin is derived from beef sources and is found in the frosting of all varieties of Kellogg's(R) Frosted Pop-Tarts(R), Kellogg's(R) Frosted Pop-Tarts(R) Snak-Stix(TM), all varieties of Kellogg's(R) Pop-Tarts(R)Pastry Swirls, and Kellogg's(R) Nutri-Grain(R) Minis with Yogurt Icing.
Plain (unfrosted) Kellogg's(R) Pop-Tarts(R) do not contain gelatin. None of the equipment that comes in contact with the gelatin in Kellogg's(R)Frosted Pop-Tarts(R) is used in the production of the other pastries.
Kellogg's(R) Rice Krispies Treats(R) Squares contain type A gelatin in the marshmallow, which is derived from pork sources.
Manish Jain
Hi, I just moved your other post about cancer and diet (and the response to it) over to the 'Cancer and animal products' thread...Quote:
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And yet the false statements above re cures for cancer.,stay put i assume.Hmmm...i wonder why that is ?Thanks for telling me anyway:mad:
If you want to discuss animal products and cancer, please do it in the thread about that topic instead of just repeating that you insist that you think what others say is 'false statements'. Statements don't become any more right by repeating them, but they don't become more false by repeating that you think they are false either.
Maybe so, Korn. You know as well as i do, though, that you've moved the post where i criticised the statement above for it's absurd claims, because you don't want such claims challenged.
Actually i apologise for my last statement above Korn, it wasn't done to censor me but to move to a more appropriate forum. Thanks
Hi Manish, all, me and my vegan friend from new zealand are visiting gujarat early july. we are keen to see the capital world state of vegetarianism and to promote veganism... i wouldn't mind if a few switched on people knew this as it could make our stay that little bit more interesting. i am a massive m. k. gandhi fan too.
peace
colin
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Dear Skyvegan,
Well, if you stay in Gujarat state which is full of lacto-veggies, you must visit
following places which have very very beautiful jain temples.
Palitana
Girnar
Mehsana
Shankheshwar
Kachha
Ahemdabad-Gandhinagar ( Gandhi Aashram is there)
Gir Forest ( wild life sanctuary)
You will find fully vegetarian mc donald in Ahemdabad city.!!!
There you will find good accomodation at Jain Dharamshala and Jain Bhojanshala ( dining hall). Only u have to take care of dairy free products, you can ask for that, they will glad to serve you. For your knowledge, Ghee( Clarified butter) is used very minimum there.
Do not eat Sweet stuff, usually all contains dairy products and white sugar.
How many people are you visiting ? How are you planning to promote veganism in your tour ? What kind of information and help you need?
Wish you a very happy journey.
Manish Jain
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Hi Manish
Do you know of a vegan way to make Gulab Jamun?
I used to love this sweet treat, before I was vegan.
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:p Vegan Gulab Jamun :p ( Gulab = Roseflower, Jamun is a local fruit here)
http://www.eurasie.net/webzine/IMG/jpg/gulabjamun.jpg
mmmmmmmm..I once tried it.
It tastes good if it is served warm/hot.
List of Ingredients
Balls:
* 1 cup White Flour/Rice Flour/Wheat Flour ( Better mixture of all )
* ¼ cup Soft Tofu
* 1tsp Margarine
* 1 tsp icing sugar
* Enough water to mix into a dough like consistency
Glaze:
* 3 cups Vegan sugar
* 1 cup water
* Cardamom and rosewater/saffron for garnish (to taste)
1. Roll dough into small balls, deep fry in Oil under medium heat until golden brown, drain on paper towel.
2. Heat water and sugar until all of the sugar is dissolved. Break up cardamom and add to glaze. Add rosewater to taste
3. Soak gulabjamun balls in syrup, serve warm as desert
Manish Jain
Ohhhhh thank you so much Manish!! :D
I have never seen Rosewater for sale here. Maybe I'll be able to find it at an Indian grocery store.
You are always welcome,Roxy, beautiful lady of VF. I do remember very well,when I joined this forum, you were the first to whom I sent PM.
Manish Jain
have taken note of those places manish... what is it like to stay at those jain places u mention.
is it possible to stay at gandhi's ashram?
we can't wait to come but the july 1st plane is full and we are on a wait list for a place...
my friend can only come on that day as he is a science teacher and can only come on his two weeks holidays...
he is an environmentalist and animal rights person. i am more a lover of all that lives... sort of a gaiast... vegan is my food choice... not my label... though i am happy to be identified as such as all my favourite people are vegans...
i have a friend jayen who is veganish? he is jain and lives in bharuch.
thanks for your advice.
colin