Sorry, to clarify, i was wondering how many weeks would be an early miscarriage, would you know at say, 8 weeks??
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Sorry, to clarify, i was wondering how many weeks would be an early miscarriage, would you know at say, 8 weeks??
in that case i suggest you start shagging like bunnies at midnight on 1st January and don't stop till you've got one in the oven. hope that helps. :cool:Quote:
Banana
According to research (how accurate, I don't know) almost half of all pregnancies end in miscarriage, usually before the woman even knows she is pregnant. We learned this in nursing school and I have read it since then.
So I guess you should always shag like bunnies, as suggested by Tofu, just in case. Of course you should stop at 1.3 children, but that is a whole other thread. :rolleyes:
http://www.umm.edu/pregnancy/stayhea...scarriage.html
An early miscarriage is catagorized here as anything before 20 weeks. They estimate 30% of women have one of these at some point.
Early Miscarriage
An early miscarriage is the spontaneous loss of pregnancy during the first 20 weeks of gestation. It can also be called a spontaneous abortion
Early miscarriage is very common. As many as 30% of women will experience one, usually before they even miss a period, or realize they are pregnant. Most early miscarriages are a result of a developing fetus that is unhealthy and has little chance of surviving to the end of pregnancy.
When I lost my daughter at 22 weeks they termed it as a miscarriage due to being under the legal gestation age (24 weeks then, not sure if this has changed) for being able to try saving them through incubation etc.. I personally don't think this is a good term for such a late loss, as it dosen't respect what women go through when losing a baby as late as I did.
I basically gave birth normally and held my baby while she died, as the health authorities wouldn't do anything to save her. After all the years I have spent fighting for the right of non-human animals and human animals I couldn't do anything for my own daughter. It is only now that I see that she would have been severely disabled and may have not survived anyway, so in a world that barily caters for basic human rights I wouldn't have liked to put her through a life time of how she probably would of been treated by general society due to her possible disabliities. I hope that made sense.
My ideas of miscarriage prior to this had always been the idea of losing a lot of blood and having a heavy period. At the end of the day it is all very painful for a women losing a child at any gestation.
In answer to catmoggs question, I think women can have miscarriages and not know if it is an early one in the first two months. After this it will be more evident, as at 12 weeks pregnant the baby will be 2-3 inches long and therefore visible to the naked eye.
I hope that none of you ever have to go through losing a baby, and my heart goes out to those who have xx
Love and light
Xxxx Stormy xxxX
I'm expecting (my first) and wanted to ask if anyone's got advice for high energy foods, high protien/calcium foods (so I can avoid dairy and eggs as much as I can, to the shock of my omni family), or any books that would be helpful.
Any "when I was pregnant" stuff would be fantastic. I'm operating all on advice and previous experiences of other people at the moment.
Thanks!
i lived off os spinach wile preggo.. i was craving it all the time..and lots of beans too. i tried ot avoid soy most og the pregnancy.
i have a bucnh of books and websites thetll be helpful. ill be back later with those for you. one i can think of off the top of my head is www.mothering.com and www. mothering.com/discussions go down to the vegan forum and also check out the pregnancy forum. not everyone there is vegan but there are a few of us around there to help you out!!
also check out the breastfeeding ofrum there ot get ready for that when your baby is born. the more you know now the smoother it will go for you!!!
be back in a bit with more info ;)
veganmata - that is a beautiful picture you have as your avatar!
coney - congrats on your pregnancy!
Have you checked out www.vegfamily.com ? it is a vegan parenting site with nutrition advice, pregancy/birth stories, etc. as well as a vegan pregnancy forum http://vegfamily.com/forums/
I hope im not going to be judged too harshly for this, but i have always felt that i could be honest and express my opinions on this site, so why stop now.
i am about 11 weeks pregnant :D (yay!!!) my husband and i are thrilled..i have been a vegan and an animal rights campaigner for years. i travelled all over the world and never ate animal products (at leats not to the best of my knowledge) which was hard in eastern europe as some of you will know!
before i was pregnnat i told my body what to eat. Now i feel as though my body has rebelled and taken control of my mind, i cant face eating any soy products and the thought of lentils makes me want to spew (everything does at the moment..damn morning sickness!). on top of this i found i could only eat very small amounts of food at a time without throwing up..i was rapidly losing weight and knew i needed to find something i could eat, that was concentraed in energy, fast.
so i ate some animal products. now i feel terrible but i feel powerless as i still cant face all my vegan favourites. has anyone else been through this? any advice? i feel i am going against every moral fibre in my mind but my body is very clear about what it does and doesnt want.
please dont judge me too harshly. any constructive advice appreciated. :)
Congratulations on your pregnancy!
I have heard similar stories before. Supposedly it is because your body needs a certain nutrient and it remembers where you have gotten that nutrient before. So if you have never exposed your body to a plant source of that nutrient it will crave for an animal source. At least it sounds logical to me. :)
Hope that helps.
The Fekkler
I craved eggs and so ate loads of tofu instead.
I got a new recipe book during my second pregnancy because I had to eat so much as I was exercising as well. I got bored with eating the same things. I also went through a period of not being able to face what I had the day before, so couldn't have leftovers!
Why not use this as an opportunity to get a few new books and try some different recipes?
Congratulations!
i know a vegetarian girl, who's pregnant, 19 years old. and she had a period of time where all she could eat was CANNED MEAT! eeew. but she stopped being vegetarian after that, as she thought it meant that she had to eat meat. and she's the kind of person who NEVER had any concerns about nutrition and health, so she knows nothing. that's stupid, as she don't care if the baby is healthy or not, she just figures that if she craves meat, she'll eat it.
but i really think you don't need to worry about what you ate - but focus on eating healthy, so you hopefully won't crave animal foods again! this forum is so wonderful to have so much information on nutrition, and health in general.
and you can't change what you did anyway. don't blame yourself, but enjoy your pregnancy and eat LOADS of nice, vegan foods:)
It looks like another vegan pregnancy! I am six weeks along and everything seems to be pretty good so far. We are very excited. :)
Congratulations! :)
The Fekkler
thanks for the words of wisdom and support.
we are now almost 13 weeks..happily most of my food aversions seem to have abated and i can drink soya milk and eat lentils again.though tofu is still off the menu! after a brief period of being very worried about craving animal products it seems ive found my old balance again, though i do need to get a b12 injection next week as it is a bit low. so im going to take it a day at a time.
luc, wait till you get your first ultrasound! it is so amazing!!!!!:D
Congratulations screamingcarrot! I’m glad to hear you are doing better. I have also heard of other pregnant women going through a very similar experience. It is just very important that your body gets all the mineral and nutrients that it requires.
I have been fortunate, so far, I have had absolutely no morning sickness or any food aversions of any kind. I haven’t even had any cravings. It’s funny but I think how abnormal! I also take 100% whole food first and second trimester vitamin and a b complex with Folic acid supplement. Visits to my naturopath have been extremely beneficial.
I’m nine weeks pregnant now and we have our first appointment with our midwife in a couple of weeks. I am also definitely looking forward to our first ultrasound. I’m definitely planning to maintain a vegan pregnancy, especially because everything seems to be progressing normally. Do you want to know whether you are having a boy or a girl?
Can anyone clarify for me whether it is ok to have soya milk when you are pregnant? I am cooking for my friend on saturday who is 8 months pregnant. I plan to use soya milk in a sauce. But my other friend who is also pregnant has just told me that you can't have soya milk when you are pregnant? :confused:
As far as I am aware there could be nothing wrong with feeding your friend a meal containing soya milk unless she is specifically allergic, given the small amount of soya. If she is allergic then she will have almost certainly experienced a negative reaction to many foods since soya is added to a multitude of foodstuffs.
Recent studies do seem to have debunked the "soya is bad for pregnant women" claim but, as with all things, a diet concentrating too heavily on soya may not be beneficial to any of us.
I've had 4 vegan pregnancies, 4 homebirths, & 4 healthy babies! You don't need to do much differently than your usual vegan diet--a little more calories, iron, protein, water, and salt. Oh, and a bit extra rest!
Just thought I'd bump this because I noticed two or three people say recently in various threads that they're expecting. Not that you have to post anything in here, if you preggers people see this, just thought it might be useful ;)
Aww, thanks Twinkle.
Who else is pregnant then? I'm 35 Weeks now (gulp) so not long to go and then I'll be vegan and breastfeeding instead :) Interestingly, loads of people have asked me if breastfeeding is vegan?!? I wonder about omni logic at times.
It's my first. It's ever-so exciting, packing the hospital bag today so we will be prepared.
We are planing for a hospital birth, but in a midwife led birthing centre, so they tend to use less interventions, and also going down the natural pain management only route. We are planning on using TENS in the early stages, followed up with a waterbirth. I'm also listening to natal hypnotherapy CDs.
So exciting! A first birth and also a natural one and a waterbirth! If I have any choice this time that's exactly how I would do it. My first pregnancy was very difficult and I had my daughter premature through an emergency C-section, I got extremely lucky with my daughter and it's a miracle she's here at all, especially in the healthy state that she is. Sometimes I can't wait to be as far along as you are, because chances are everything will be great. Waterbirths are great, they help with pain and are much more comfortable as I'm sure you know ;) Such a natural way to have a baby. And it was so special when I held my daughter for the first time, I think having a child is one of the most amazing and life changing events one can experience. You and your life will never be the same again and you get so much in return for it. Anyway, blablabla, sorry for going on a bit. Good luck with the preparations, I'm sure everything will go just great, sounds like you're very prepared :)
I'm glad your daughter arrived healthy after all :)
C-sections etc are designed to help out with instances, like your first one, where children need that help. Sadly, because doctors are trained to look for where things are wrong I feel they are too quick to encourage a medical route. I think it's a little better in the UK because of the NHS, where it's not such a profit oriented business (though they still have their targets to meet!) so the more expensive interventions aren't offered without good cause.
My sister had a terrible time with her second child. He was induced, poorly, so she ended up having a very painful labour which culminated in an emergence c-section because my nephew was in distress. My sister then had terrible haemorrhaging, which was touch and go at points. This has made me more than a little sceptical of the wisdom of medical intervention when it's not 100% needed. I then looked into the effects of some of the pain management drugs, and realised I wasn't overly happy with the risks, so decided I'm going to try to get through with a little as I can. I will take 'gas and air' if it gets too painful to do without, but I want to avoid anything that goes into the blood stream as once it's in there, it's something you need to let wear off in it's own time.
I'm not utterly against medical science as part of the birthing process, sometimes it makes the difference between a healthy baby and no baby at all, but it should be there to help when it's needed, not as a matter of course. Women are birthing, they are not 'sick'
I agree with what you're saying that doctors advice too quickly on c-sections, especially in the UK, where I had my daughter, am currently living in Canada, so will be interesting to compare. I'm Dutch by Nationality, there natural births and homebirths are very much the norm.
I can relate to what your sister went through, when they induce labour it sometimes doesn't go very smoothly. What makes it painful is what has to do with the blood-brain barrier, meaning the artificial medicins to give you contractions do not pass to your brain, so your brain doesn't get triggered to make any endorphines to make the experience more pleasant and less painful. If you have a natural birth you will create lots of lovely endorphines making the birth easier.
I definately feel the more natural the better, I've had some difficult experiences, but once my daughter was born the care she received was fantastic and I'm very very grateful. And I'm really not complaining about anything that happened because I've been so lucky overall and I've met a lot of women who were a lot less fortunate than I was. Because I pPROM-ed I am now considered high-risk and will be monitored more and also will be offered certain interventions, if everything goes fine in the end I'll definately be going towards the most natural approach, but we'll see.
I do love the choices you've made so far for your birthplan, I hope it will all go smoothly for you and chances are very much that will happen. From what I've often heard from other women who've given birth is that nature often takes over at some point, so even if you prepare a lot, somehow your body knows what to do as well.
I guess here is a good place to tell the forum that I'm 22 weeks pregnant :)
Wanted to wait until after the 20 week scan to make as sure as possible that everything is okay, which it seems to be. Told my parents last weekend, and told enough people at work this week that hopefully gossip will do the rest of the job for me.
Haven't had any cravings yet apart wanting to eat cake and crisps, which I always want to eat anyway!
Congrats!
Im only a few weeks further along than you are ;)
With my daughter I had no cravings, with this one I'm eating mountains of oranges, ive had other cravings as well, but nothing as strong as the oranges, it's mad :)
Good wishes to you both, twinkle and khadagan.:thumbsup:
leedsveg
Thanks khadagan and leedsveg :)
khadagan, actually you've reminded me that I did go through a phase of eating a lot of mangoes earlier on. Looking forward to any updates you care to share :D
twinkle!!!!!!!!
I am shocked, amazed, and very happy for you! :heart::)
Congratulations Twinkle and Khadagan! :)
I remember I ate oranges by the bucket load when I was pregnant with my son. :)
With my daughter it was raw carrots. :)
Congratulations Twinkle and Khadagan!! :)
yes, congrats to both of you!
Hurray to babies! :D
Those cravings don't seem so bad, I've heard of people eating coal! lol
Awesome, congrats to both Twinkle and Khadagan! One of my friends at school is four? months pregnant (she's not vegan though) and she's had a lot of cravings, it's pretty funny :lol: Hope all goes well for the both of you.
Congratulations Twinkle and Khadagan. With my first daughter I craved cake (and still do!) with my second I just wanted carbohydrates in any form! Hope everything goes well for you both :)
Congratulations, Twinkle and Khadagan! SO pleased for you both! x
Congratulations to all pregnant women in this thread. Does any one know how Ms_derious is dping?How was the birth?
I hope she gave birth in water as intended.