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  1. Re: Benjamin Zephaniah at The Gaurdian online

    Animal Liberation project link: http://peta.org.uk/animalliberation/?int=petaEurope_enews
  2. Re: Benjamin Zephaniah at The Gaurdian online

    True true, human consciousness is some way off being able to empathise and see themselves at one with "the animals". Religion implanted a sense of divine apartness that takes some rooting out.
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  3. Re: Foot and mouth disease found in cattle on farm

    Yeah assuming its still fertile enough their land could be put to efficient use in growing crops.
  4. Re: Foot and mouth disease found in cattle on farm

    Where does a hope for quick and secure containment of "the foot and mouth crisis" begin and a return to normal animal industry business end?
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    Re: Dairification of China

    China is eternally westernising in every sense. From their constant building of new power stations to diet they want their own slice of the American pie. As do India. The two largest human...
  6. Re: Foot and mouth disease found in cattle on farm

    Its a confusing conundrum to work out the specifics of how many animals would benefit/die under the status quo. The fact is these animals were all in existence and their cause surely doesn't suffer...
  7. Re: Foot and mouth disease found in cattle on farm

    As I said before the demand for animal products will stay the same and every single animal would have died to be replaced by one in their place anyway. Essentially for this brief moment that...
  8. Re: Foot and mouth disease found in cattle on farm

    They will only breed up to replace the levels of the animals that would have died anyway. When you hope for speedy containment of any issue that affects the livestock industry you're essentially...
  9. Re: Foot and mouth disease found in cattle on farm

    Animals who are born to die for human profit anyway. That argument makes no sense.
  10. Re: Foot and mouth disease found in cattle on farm

    Why are you two concerned that the disease is well contained?
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    Re: What did you eat today?

    Anyone had the trufree quick snack things? Very tasty but full of salt and hydrogenated fats.
  12. Re: Marmite, Vegemite, Natex, Meridian etc yeast extract - love it or hate it ?

    Meridian recalls Marmite taste wise, minus the Unilever connections of course. However both are very high in salt so Natex "salt reduced" tastes entirely different and isn't as moreish.
  13. Re: Foot and mouth disease found in cattle on farm

    The story is being presented as a purely economic item. One report spelled it out blatantly that animal welfare is not a concern, only farmer's incomes and the summer tourism trade being affected.
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    Re: Fluoride

    I'm a Kingfisher devotee but my teeth tend to feel better with the Fluoride included varieties. Rinse well though and avoid drinking water with high levels of the stuff.
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    Re: What did you eat today?

    Amen sista. Whats your flavour? (c) Craig David
  16. Re: Benjamin Zephaniah at The Gaurdian online

    Wow the feedback is generally full of outrage and disgust. Of course not for the tangible suffering of the animals, rather just an ideological comparison they find offensive.

    Opening up any such...
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    Re: OCD - Obsessive Compulsive Disorder

    I'm very much OCD-afflicted. Mainly numbers related obsessions, particularly related to the order of plans fitting the weekday and weekend structure. The clocks and calendars we count time away by...
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    Re: Fast Food Nation

    The book is a decent human-centred view of why the fastfood industry is a force of negativity. The film is very dull.

    A documentary setting would have worked best, as a piece of fiction the...
  19. Re: Is a vegan diet ecologically sustainable?

    The presence of six billions humans, growing and consuming more all the time really isn't sustainable at all in terms of the Earth and it's ecosystems. So as it stands no even a vegan diet isn't...
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    Re: Peter Singer backs monkey testing

    I was disappointed by his offering up such a choice soundbyte quote in response to Tipu Aziz. They can't have believed their luck when he said that.

    I think many people misinterpret him though,...
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    Re: Stella McCartney vegan fashion

    Just to note: Stella McCartney's fashion line isn't vegan. She just doesn't use leather. She uses wool and even silk in other products. So her faux-leather products are vegan but it's not a vegan...
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    Re: Order of reasoning for going vegan?

    Not least because honey has no health issues attached really. All "health vegans" could have honey and perhaps organic skimmed milk and fish flesh sourced from clean waters also.

    "Dietary vegan"...
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    Re: PETA killing animals?

    Yes that's a Consumer Freedom Group offshoot. They lobby for meat industries, cigarette companies and so on. Rightwing libertarian market driven rhetoric.
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    Re: PETA killing animals?

    So The Independent's no better than the Guardian then. All papers must play to the status quo rather than challenge it (Give or take centre left/right swaying) I suppose.

    I suppose the RSPCA...
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    Re: PETA killing animals?

    Exactly. The standard procedure for killing the thousands of unwanted "pets" every single day, using gas after shoving a gang of animals in a box is far more cruel. Anyone who has seen Earthlings...
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    Re: McDonald's French Fries

    Also thats just in India I take it. Don't tend to see many green aprons in western branches where the religious need to avoid animal products is less militant. The workers you tend to get in western...
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    Re: Animals and Capitalism

    Socialism/humanism offers no real provisions for any animal other than the human. The rapid rate of industrialisation in past socialist nations suggests it could even be worse, considering there'd be...
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    Re: McDonald's French Fries

    I don't think McDonalds, Murder King etc can ever claim anything to be vegan. The amount of contamination that takes place in such a meat heavy environment (virtually a butchers) invalidates that...
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    Re: Amazing Animal Rights Docu "Earthlings"

    Through the google links I've downloaded Earthlings, The Witness and Peacebale Kingdom. All play independent of needing the google video player. The quality is near perfect also. Perhaps the answer...
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    Re: Amazing Animal Rights Docu "Earthlings"

    That seven minute clip is online only exclusive content. It isn't from the film proper. There is however a promo trailer.
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    Re: Amazing Animal Rights Doco "Earthlings"

    Not everyone has a credit card, DVD player, or is in the correct region to even play the DVD for sale. Of course I don't begrudge Tribe Of Heart finance but it does seem a strange message to enforce...
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    Re: Amazing Animal Rights Doco "Earthlings"

    The films are also animal rights propaganda best seen by as wide an audience as possible. How else would they get seen by the masses? They surely won't pay for the chance to see.

    Anyway The...
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    Re: Amazing Animal Rights Doco "Earthlings"

    [Edit: post removed. Links to illegal copies of copyrighted material is not allowed here. We're supposed to support Tribe of Heart - not steal from them!]
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    Re: Amazing Animal Rights Doco "Earthlings"

    All animals are made up of selfish genes. Priorities being survival, safety, breeding and replicating genes. Even when any animal cares for assists another it is to ingratiate themselves and enhance...
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    Re: Amazing Animal Rights Doco "Earthlings"

    I definitely wouldn't quibble with this viewpoint in the red mist of just having watched a load of animal abuse as you just did. To survive and get by in a non-vegan though we tend to then calm down,...
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    Re: Amazing Animal Rights Doco "Earthlings"

    Thanks. I know Peaceable Kingdom is also on Google Video, anyone know if Tribe Of Heart's other film "The Witness" is available online?
  37. Re: Environmental concerns

    Obviously cars and industry prove the biggest polluters by percentage but one longhaul airflight per passenger is equal to average western car driver's emissions over a whole year. Really disgusting...
  38. Bird Flu will kill freerange/organic farming

    Daily Mirror
    April 2006
    BIRD FLU 'WILL KILL ORGANIC FARMING'
    Free-range poultry warning
    By Oonagh Blackman Political Editor
    TONY Blair's top scientific adviser yesterday warned that the arrival...
  39. Interesting segment from Guardian article on Tesco

    I had an Ely moment in the poultry aisle of Elmer's End Tesco. I'm not now, nor will I ever be, a vegetarian, but the doomed and melancholy air that hangs around pallid rows of naked, trussed and...
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    Re: Non leather, animal friendly sports equipment

    Competitive sport is a problem for the vegan. Can't insist on teams and leagues using your synthetic products so we are left only with the option of kicking/throwing/catching/bouncing a...
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