True. The 'argument' which sometimes pops up about eggs is that if one picks egg from "happy" hens, it won't harm anyone - but the fact is that whenever someone has access to animal products which...
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True. The 'argument' which sometimes pops up about eggs is that if one picks egg from "happy" hens, it won't harm anyone - but the fact is that whenever someone has access to animal products which...
That's true - you wouldn't be a vegan if you ate eggs from any chicken... I've merged this thread with a couple of other threads about eggs - with many posts explaining why vegans don'teat eggs at...
Think going organic lets you eat meat with a clear conscience? This shocking investigation into a 'humane' slaughterhouse will make you think again
Hi,
two posts were recently removed from this thread; one about 'not having a problem with meat' and not supporting 'the industry' until it changes, and another one about loving eggs/dairy/yoghurt...
I think everyone will agree that it's totally unrealistic, but since I think of idealism as a generally good thing, I'll skip commenting if it's idealistic or not. :)
It wouldn't be a first...
I didn't label you welfarist or suggested that you talk about slightly larger cages, but I'm asking two questions: Is it realistic to assume that converting commercial farming into a model that...
Well, I disagree, for several reasons. Animals want to be free, just like humans, and not live in cages - small or large. Chicken don't want to lay 2-300 eggs per year; the natural amount for them is...
Hm... do you agree that the only way to treat them with respect is to not use them at all?
The amount of enough people who actually respect animals today is IMO way too low to get acceptance...
It's totally possible to
a) claim that using causing any kind of suffering for others - humans or animals - isn't ethical (when other solutions are 'practical and possible')
b) try to live...
I've recently read that US citizens on average eats circa 250 eggs per year. A domesticated chicken who is producing circa 250 eggs per year (this is normal, based on an over-production rate of circa...
Hi Elve...
vegans don't see 'lovely lifestyle' as a valid reason or excuse to own, control or abuse birds, humans or animals, just like vegans don't think it's OK to kill and eat an animal 'because...
...another thing to consider is what the hen would have answered - if she could talk - if we asked her if she had an issue with having 200 menstrual periods a year instead of 10 - which she would...
The fact that 1) they die and 2) the suffer first should be more than enough... Hens aren't meant to produce food for humans, and every time we remove an egg from an organic hen, organic/free-range...
As you say, it's not happy, it's dead. That should be evidence enough! Ask him what he thinks of cannibals who only eat meat from happy humans... :)
Hi Purple, have you seen our 'Vegans and eggs'-thread?
Re. killing someone for food... when the vegetarian movement was born, all available meat, all eggs were organic. Organic and meat = two...
Hi, this topic has been discussed several times in this thread earlier... if you have a look, you'll see why vegans don't eat eggs.
That sounds a lot better than 'It's not wrong', if you ask me. :)
Yes, there is (we have discussed this several times already.)
Imagine you have a car, a SUV, that cause lot of pollution, and you don't need it, or are against owning one. Now, you could say that...
I guess they eat all the calcium due to their exaggerated egg production - which is stimulated by humans taking their eggs away from them.
Sure, but why do you think vegans are against eating eggs if they don't think it's wrong? I guess you are a vegan, since you are a member of a forum for vegans! :) Remember, vegans are not against...
What do you mean by that...
Like with many (all?) other topics we discuss, the 'I'll eat eggs from my own pet hens otherwise they'll just rot' discussion is similar to non-vegan topics discussed elsewhere...
Example: If a...
The whole 'rot'-argument, sometimes used pro eating eggs, seems very 'constructed' to me. Our whole existence, the very core of life on earth is in a way based on 'rotting'. Plants, trees, grass,...
I guess it's easier for your teacher to understand what you mean if you focus on ALL the situations where someone are expected to do or eat according to what 'most people' think is right. For...
Here's a related link:
http://www.leaonline.com/doi/abs/10.1207/S15327914NC4602_08?cookieSet=1
Seeds of any kind are often full of nutrients, which is no surprise: they are meant to contain building material for a new plant, or, in the case of hens, new chicken. Eggs have also been mentioned...
I guess your 3 yo eats them because you give them to her? But you don't need to feed kids with eggs even if they they don't eat soy products...
What are your favourite protein sources?
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'Free-range' chickens are a result of a domestication process forced upon these birds by humans. Take a trip to the countryside, and you'll notice that no flocks birds are hanging out around the...
From http://www.centralpets.com/animals/birds/wild_birds/wbd4315.html :
Brilliant post, sniv. I don't want consume byproducts of some poor creatures whose bodies and 'lifestyle' has been modified by humans in order to satisfy what they falsely believe they need. The...
In the discussion about whether it's natural or not to eat eggs for humans, or for hens, let's not forget that there are animals and insects who eats both other animals and their own or others kids -...
1) Vegans do not want animals to suffer.
2) We do not look at animals as someone who exist in order to provide us with foods or clothes.
3) Humans can live a perfectly healthy life without eating...
'Why is it a lot more relevant to compare eggs with not eating eggs.' It's more relevant when the topic is 'eat eggs or not eat eggs'. If you mention to a meat eater the health risks involved in...
Wearing cotton from India, buying TVs from Japan and iPods from USA all causes pollution, but that doesn't change my views on eggs, honey, meat or milk. If you want to compare two situations in a...
Do you want to change the definition of veganism, and give 'vegan' a new and different definition than it has had for 60 years? Or do you think that there are dietary reasons that vegans don't want...
Hi, I split the thread and created a new one based on some of the last posts... here.
It's wrong to you, in your opinion, and to all other vegans, in their opinions. And it's definitely wrong for those who get killed.
If I were not against killing others for food, I'd probably agree that killing someone who had been eating organic food was much less cruel than killing someone who had been eating organic food. For...