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    Re: Are you an abolitionist or a welfarist?

    I think i need to start making myself more clear because a lot of what I've said has been misinterpreted. I said that welfarists may cause people like the ethical butcher, I never said welfarists...
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    Re: Are you an abolitionist or a welfarist?

    OK, I'm glad that I wasn't being offensive :-)



    Kind of hard to 'prove' something that's only been around 2 or 3 years! However, I know several otehr abolitionists who have all convinced...
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    Re: Are you an abolitionist or a welfarist?

    I don't knwo who said that but it is certainly not a representation of how the majority of abolitionists feel. When asked if things like TNR and shelters are abolitionist acts, Gary Francione, the...
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    Re: Are you an abolitionist or a welfarist?

    Progress is measured in each person that goes vegan. The entire world will never be vegan, the same way the entire world will never stop raping and murdering each other. But regardless, we should...
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    Re: Are you an abolitionist or a welfarist?

    You're misinterpretiong what Gary is saying. Of course getting rid of welfare won't free the animals. We don't just need to get rid of welfare, we need to replace it with abolition! Gary was saying...
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    Re: Are you an abolitionist or a welfarist?

    Abolitionist, both in theory and in practice. I do not think that welfare will work, evidence has shown repeatedly that welfare makes the public feel better about animal exploitation and is counter...
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    Poll: Re: Going vegan - was it easy for you?

    I went 'free range' first, then 'vegetarian who eats fish', then vegetarian, then 'vegan who ocassionally eats free range eggs and honey' and now I'm properly vegan, in diet and lifestyle. The whole...
  8. Re: What do you reckon the meat industry does to save itself (and fight veg*nism

    There's been heaps of dairy ads on TV rectently, as well as some beef and lamb ads
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    Re: Are there any New Zealand vegans here?

    Hi Guys, I'm from NZ too, Hamilton to be more exact
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    Sticky: Re: Arguments against dairy products

    I've got a website about dairy: www.nzdairy.webs.com

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    Dairy cows are continually kept pregnant and lactating and their babies are sold off to the meat industry when they are...
  11. Sticky: Re: Are there any good arguments PRO eating meat at all?

    The only justifications for eating animal products are pleasure, habit, culture and convenience. Not very good justifications in my opinion
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