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I agree, we're in no position to deny other countries anything. If westerners attempted to lecture them about it in a neo-colonial fashion they wouldn't take a bit of notice, and I don't blame them. ...

Regarding China and other newly-affluent countries with large populations, though, I think the most realistic short-term objective is to get people to limit, or not increase, the amount of meat etc...

Trouble is, even if it's a phase, there are a hell of a lot of people in places like China, so if they all start eating loads of meat it could do a lot of damage in the time it takes them to get past...

Valuing meat could be a sort of phase though doesn't it - I mean, I don't think eating meat is seen as a sign of affluence in the UK any more, and maybe not in some parts of the USA either?

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I was a bit shocked by the figures in this editorial in today's Guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jun/01/food-a-hungry-world-editorial

where it says "The British eat 85kg of...