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    Re: Clams, oysters, scallops and mussels

    Nice. :p
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    I don't have to consume bean sprouts to thrive, but that doesn't make eating them wrong.



    I can easily avoid eating bean sprouts, and suffer nothing by doing so. But again, that's not an...
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    Re: Clams, oysters, scallops and mussels

    I have yet to see proof that clams, mussels, etc. think, which seems like it would be very difficult without a brain. :) Internet research mostly indicates that they do not think or feel pain, but I...
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    Re: Clams, oysters, scallops and mussels

    Oooh, good point. Hadn't even thought of that. Hm.
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    Re: Clams, oysters, scallops and mussels

    For those who care, here is Peter Singer's take: http://www.wesleyan.edu/wsa/warn/singer_fish.htm.

    And yeah, I know he's not a real vegan/vegetarian.
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    Re: Clams, oysters, scallops and mussels

    I'm still confused on how a thought process goes on without a brain, as everything I know about thought and thought processes involves brains. But I too will research!
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    Re: Veganomicon

    Mmm, will def have to try it that way next time....
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    Re: Vegan/non-vegan: Does 'natural' matter?

    Good point about the parakeets.

    I think many cows in the US eat at least some meat (no longer other cows... but still chickens and pigs). What do we call them? Herbivores eating an omnivorous...
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    Re: Clams, oysters, scallops and mussels

    But how can clams, mussels, scallops, etc. have thoughts and feelings if they have no brain?

    ETA: you say "there isn't any thought process going on" for plants, but surely there isn't for mussels...
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    Re: Vegan Greece

    The trip was wonderful! We saw a lot and also did some relaxing on the beaches. Rhodes was too touristy, and Athens was too "big city," but that's pretty much what we expected.

    We managed to lose...
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    Re: Vegan Greece

    Just got back from two weeks in Greece... one week in Rhodes and one week in Athens. Mostly we ate at random cafes and I ordered stuffed vegetables or dolmades (I tried to communicate that I didn't...
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    Re: chain restaurant vegan items (USA & Canada)

    I just visited that link to the Qdoba site, and I didn't see cysteine or lecithin in the flour tortillas or the rice. The pan release spray (used for the grilled vegetables) has soybean lecithin in...
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    Re: Clams, oysters, scallops and mussels

    Sorry I dissappeared from this discussion for ages (wedding and honeymoon! :D).



    Ah, but Haniska said that according the definition she found of "sentient," plants were in fact sentient?
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    Re: Veganomicon

    Mmmm, yes, the jambalaya is delish... though I don't remember thinking it was spicy.
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    That's my alma mater! Guess I have to read it now.
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    Re: Clams, oysters, scallops and mussels

    I don't know! I guess that's one of the questions I'm asking. As vegans we say that plants are not aware and animals are, but what exactly makes us thing that, especially at the boundaries (plants...
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    Re: Clams, oysters, scallops and mussels

    Plants don't flee from danger, but they release chemicals to defend themselves. They clearly don't "want" to be eaten, which in the case of the plant only means that evolutionary pressure has...
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    Re: Clams, oysters, scallops and mussels

    Interesting... I don't think God put plants here (or anything here, for that matter) just so I could eat them, but I still have no problem with eating them.
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    Re: Vegan/non-vegan: Does 'natural' matter?

    I would say the majority of the world's population does (and has for all of recorded history) consumed meat, eggs, or milk. The only reason this matters is if the definition of omnivore is "a species...
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    Re: Vegan/non-vegan: Does 'natural' matter?

    It doesn't make us the same as a calf, because the definition of a calf is not something that drinks milk.

    If the definition of a blind person is that you can't see, then anyone who can't see is...
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    Re: Vegan/non-vegan: Does 'natural' matter?

    But it is possible for omnivores to evolve from herbivores, or even for carnivores to evolve from herbivores. What our ancestors ate when our ancestors were a different species tells us what *they*...
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    Re: Vegan/non-vegan: Does 'natural' matter?

    Yes, I think the main problem was that the statement "Humans are natural omnivores" meant different things to everyone when the debate began. Perhaps we should begin all future debates by stating...
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    Re: Vegan ethics

    I feel the same way. It's nice having you out there, because otherwise I would feel like such an oddball. :)

    If for some awful reason you're ever in Indiana, we'll have to hang out.

    Peace,...
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    Re: Vegan/non-vegan: Does 'natural' matter?

    This is from Wiki, so not very reliable, but at least shows that there are other definitions of omnivore around besides the ones listed by Korn:

    "Omnivores (from Latin: omne all, everything;...
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    Re: Vegan/non-vegan: Does 'natural' matter?

    Well I can definitely agree with that.
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    Re: Vegan/non-vegan: Does 'natural' matter?

    If they use tools to catch their prey, does that mean it is unnatural to eat those animals?

    ETA: Also, I snuck in a post before your post... don't know if you saw it... guess we were typing at...
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    Re: Does 'natural' matter?

    What about animals that use tools to catch their prey?
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    Re: Vegan ethics

    Wow, that was hot.
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    Re: Vegan/non-vegan: does 'natural' matter?

    Eating meat and drinking milk are two different things. There are lots of creatures in the world that eat meat, and only one that drinks milk. Being the sole creature that does something doesn't...
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    Re: Vegan/non-vegan: does 'natural' matter?

    This is kind of tangential... maybe it just belongs in a thread called "What does natural mean?" :p



    But nature imitates too. There are butterflies that look they have eyes on their wings and...
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    Re: Veganomicon

    Mmmm, love the lemony roasted potatoes.... Maybe just cut back on the lemon next time?
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    Re: Best vegan cheese for Pizza?

    Did you eat FYH solid, raw, unmelted? It's pretty icky that way, but not too bad melted (I've fed it to omnivores without too many complaints).
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    Re: Best vegan cheese for Pizza?

    It's made in Chicago, and I'm in Indianapolis, so it may just be a regional thing? You can order it online, but who wants to do that!
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    Re: Best vegan cheese for Pizza?

    If you can get your hands on Teese, it is out of this world (IMHO). Way better than FYH Vegan Gourmet (though I quite like that one too). It was sort of frighteningly cheesy. It does get positively...
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    Re: Oysters

    Heheh.
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    Re: Clams, oysters, scallops and mussels

    When we pull plants out of the ground, we know they're dying, but we do it anyway. It's not needless in that we have to eat *something* but by what criteria do we decide what is okay to eat?

    I am...
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    Re: Clams, oysters, scallops and mussels

    Fortunately our education system is apalling, and one can sleep through just about any class and succeed.
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    Re: Clams, oysters, scallops and mussels

    Ah, okay. I slept through bio!
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    Re: Clams, oysters, scallops and mussels

    Yup.
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    Re: Clams, oysters, scallops and mussels

    Really? What are the standards for classifying something into the animal or plant kingdom? I thought it was based on evolutionary past.
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