Wow! Very sorry to hear that. Try not to fight the "health" people with this, since this is likely to make things worse. Find out what supplements they are giving your daughters (and then on your own...
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Wow! Very sorry to hear that. Try not to fight the "health" people with this, since this is likely to make things worse. Find out what supplements they are giving your daughters (and then on your own...
Don't take a risk. Go back to supplementation for a period and get the levels measured again (a) as soon as possible (b) after a few weeks or so.
Find a sympathetic doctor and/or qualified...
Hi Jessica.
Don't let it worry you. Vegans are just like anyone else.
You find angry people everywhere, including people who believe that because their convictions are strong they are...
Well that's another point - suggesting apart form anything else that the word overdose may not be that appropriate....
Korn you can have normal or high serum (blood) levels of B12 but low tissue levels (i.e. be deficient). This is, for example, common in alcoholics.
In other words, "normal" B12 blood levels do...
Thought this might of interwst. Maybe weocould even have a little meet-up:
Hurry! Still Some Tickets Left For The Animal Protection Agency Christmas PartyLive Music Vegetarian Buffet ...
And don't forget they don't have the vaguest idea about which of their drinks are vegan or not.
Use your own knowledge or the Animal Free shopper.
And no, Harvey's isn't vegan. Got that from...
Quick Hi again....
That study dates back to the eighties and uses a questionable methodology. I cannot see that it justifies a blanket statement of "up to 90%" with regard to B12 supplements.
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Same here. Which is why I'm going to have to leave this here, otherwise I fear it could just go round in circles. I don't think this disucssion has any practical value.
Actually, I wasn't...
Hi again,
I think you're making this much more complex than it needs to be.
Animals do not produce B12.
Plants do not produce B12.
B12 is produced by microorganisms. It is likely that...
It's essential for lots of groth and maintenance process and a deificinecy can slow these. Sure. So?
Anyonetaking in more B12 than they need within levles not induced by massive...
Sorry, Korn, in my opinion the polemics of how to convert non-vegans who want a "natural" diet should have nothing to do with this. The only matter of any importance is what vegans need to do to...
It's also worth bearing in mind that the term "analogue" is not always used in the same way by lay people as scientists, especially where B12 is concerned, nor is it of relevance in the way some...
It's about growth of microorganisms.
hth
Mike
Aha! I was just about to post the same thing as Gorilla.
Sorry Korn, it's the other way round. There were lots of claims about certain things (Miso, tempeh, collard greens, spirulina etc etc.) supposedly containing B12 which were found to contain analogues...
Yeah, sure. Like the B12 in spirulina.... Analogues....
Could they tell the difference between B12 and analogues then?
The posts about pond water etc. are also intersting. It's likely that in a less hygienic age it was difficult not to get enough B12...
Korn, sure there are lots of variables, but let's cut to the chase: Are you changing your previous advice and not recommending vegans to take a B12 supplement at the lower (RDA) levels?
I'd caution everyone to read Korn's words carefully. What's important is the "too much". The Vegan Society recommends either eating foods containing synthesised B12 or supplementing with it....
EPA converts quite readily to DHA, but the reverse is less efficient, so there is some science behind the claims. It's no more expensive than - for example - Deva's DHA supplement (also vegan and...
Nice sidestep!. But in terms of treating as you would be treated yourself, there's a double standard there. The logic of PETA's arguments is fine, but the values are a mess.
Well, we're...
Typical PETA final solution talk that switches thousands off the organisation and off veganism.
From the usual celebrity based PETA press release, here about Michael Vick taking an "empthy for...
I totally agree with you Dreama.
I also find the obturate cold logic of Peta's excuses quite nauseatingly hypocritical. It actually does veganism a great disservice.
I get involved in lots of...
I think the ginger is pretty good...
More importnat, I finally got to try the chocloate last night and it's everything I'd hoped for - not too fat, not to sweet and VERY choclately in a dark...
Near lochness....:cool:
Articlke in UK's The Independentof 19/09/2007: http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article2976669.ece
You can also get lots of help
here http://www.viva.org.uk/recipes/quick.html
here http://www.viva.org.uk/recipes/youth.html
here http://www.viva.org.uk/guides/martinguide.htm
and here...
Sublingual/oral administration of B12 = cobalamins (often methylcobalamin) has in some studies been shown to be as effective as injections of the injectable form (often hydroxycobalamin). See...
That's the party line, but there is evidence from people who brought animals to Peta shelters who would have found other solutions had they known the animals would be killed, just as there is...
There are some amazing Iranian vegan dishes - one of my favourites is made out of celery. You can buy some in tins here in the UK - and wonderul Iranian dried figs, white and not disgustingly sticky...
http://news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article2964464.ece
It's fine once in a while. I've been on fasts of from 3 to 10 days. Everyone should try fasting at least once. It can be quite an eye opener.
The tricky bit is how to reintroduce food. It needs...
Billy, take a look here, specifically note the comments on taurine and carnitine - better safe than sorry and both available in vegan forms, but note that Vegedog does not contain the latter:
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Yes, Holly, it's like the difference between someone who works from home living with a dog and someone who works in an office leaving a dog locked up at home all day.
And Billy, think about...
Exactly! The whole thing is so complicated that a poll doesn't even begin to adddress the many variables involved. This thread's much more interesting :-)
Their pet insurance is also very good! Good value and fair (i..e for cover of long illness, older animals etc.).
Cheers
Mike
Also written.
Too chocolatey sounds good....
They have everything except the chocalte in brighton's Sunny Foods, but they're promised to get some for me.
Some stores load prices a lot, it's not like the...
Pat,
some local recycling schemes take Tetra-Paks. Magpie in Brighton is one of them. I'm not sure about Bath, but it might be worth asking around.
Cheers
Mike