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I did say right at the very beginning "truly" free range. I am not talking about keeping animals in slightly larger cages. I don't know why you have labelled me as...

I think I have said my piece and am now in danger of going round in circles and repeating myself. To answer you though:

Hm... do you agree that the only way to treat them with respect is to not...

I live a vegan lifestyle and firmly believe that the use of all animals by humans is wrong. At the same time I do think that animals who are going to die for humans anyway, despite what I think about...

Obviously, what I meant was because total abolition of the use of animals now is such an alien concept to the majority of people that it is easy for the multi-nationals to dismiss it. Factory farming...

Okay---you say I have crappy views:). I won't be as rude to you, but I do believe the total abolitionist or nothing stance is idealist, abstract to the point of being existential with no hope of...

My stance is abolitionism but I would hate to think my ideals would condemn millions of animals to lives of terrible suffering because I could not be pragmatic enough to accept that the move from...

Actually I believe there is already general acceptance of animal exploitation.

" This whole welfarist stuff runs counter to abolition"?-----------

On the contrary---i believe that the more...

Utopia to me would be a world where no animals were used, abused and slaughtered to be eaten.
But we live in the real world and I don't expect to see Utopia in my lifetime. I want an end to the...