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    Re: B12 overdose / megadose?

    Wow! Very sorry to hear that. Try not to fight the "health" people with this, since this is likely to make things worse. Find out what supplements they are giving your daughters (and then on your own...
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    Re: B12 overdose / megadose?

    Don't take a risk. Go back to supplementation for a period and get the levels measured again (a) as soon as possible (b) after a few weeks or so.

    Find a sympathetic doctor and/or qualified...
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    Re: Occasional slips and ongoing food cravings

    Hi Jessica.

    Don't let it worry you. Vegans are just like anyone else.

    You find angry people everywhere, including people who believe that because their convictions are strong they are...
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    Re: B12 overdose / megadose?

    Well that's another point - suggesting apart form anything else that the word overdose may not be that appropriate....
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    Re: B12 overdose / megadose?

    Korn you can have normal or high serum (blood) levels of B12 but low tissue levels (i.e. be deficient). This is, for example, common in alcoholics.

    In other words, "normal" B12 blood levels do...
  6. Animal Protection Agency Xmas Party in Hove

    Thought this might of interwst. Maybe weocould even have a little meet-up:



    Hurry! Still Some Tickets Left For The Animal Protection Agency Christmas PartyLive Music Vegetarian Buffet ...
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    Re: Vegan Brighton

    And don't forget they don't have the vaguest idea about which of their drinks are vegan or not.

    Use your own knowledge or the Animal Free shopper.

    And no, Harvey's isn't vegan. Got that from...
  8. Re: B12 'analogues' more efficient than actual B12?

    Quick Hi again....

    That study dates back to the eighties and uses a questionable methodology. I cannot see that it justifies a blanket statement of "up to 90%" with regard to B12 supplements.
    ...
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    Same here. Which is why I'm going to have to leave this here, otherwise I fear it could just go round in circles. I don't think this disucssion has any practical value.



    Actually, I wasn't...
  10. Re: B12 'analogues' more efficient than actual B12?

    Hi again,

    I think you're making this much more complex than it needs to be.

    Animals do not produce B12.

    Plants do not produce B12.

    B12 is produced by microorganisms. It is likely that...
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    Re: B12 overdose / megadose?

    It's essential for lots of groth and maintenance process and a deificinecy can slow these. Sure. So?

    Anyonetaking in more B12 than they need within levles not induced by massive...
  12. Re: B12 'analogues' more efficient than actual B12?

    Sorry, Korn, in my opinion the polemics of how to convert non-vegans who want a "natural" diet should have nothing to do with this. The only matter of any importance is what vegans need to do to...
  13. Re: B12 'analogues' more efficient than actual B12?

    It's also worth bearing in mind that the term "analogue" is not always used in the same way by lay people as scientists, especially where B12 is concerned, nor is it of relevance in the way some...
  14. Re: B12 'analogues' more efficient than actual B12?

    It's about growth of microorganisms.

    hth

    Mike
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    Re: Vegan Brighton

    Aha! I was just about to post the same thing as Gorilla.
  16. Sticky: [bio] [mcg] Re: Studies of vitamin B12 in turnip greens

    Sorry Korn, it's the other way round. There were lots of claims about certain things (Miso, tempeh, collard greens, spirulina etc etc.) supposedly containing B12 which were found to contain analogues...
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    Re: Vitamin B12 in trees (bark, moss)

    Yeah, sure. Like the B12 in spirulina.... Analogues....
  18. Sticky: [bio] [mcg] Re: Studies of vitamin B12 in turnip greens

    Could they tell the difference between B12 and analogues then?

    The posts about pond water etc. are also intersting. It's likely that in a less hygienic age it was difficult not to get enough B12...
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    Re: B12 overdose / megadose?

    Korn, sure there are lots of variables, but let's cut to the chase: Are you changing your previous advice and not recommending vegans to take a B12 supplement at the lower (RDA) levels?
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    Re: B12 overdose / megadose?

    I'd caution everyone to read Korn's words carefully. What's important is the "too much". The Vegan Society recommends either eating foods containing synthesised B12 or supplementing with it....
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    Sticky: Re: Vegan DHA/EPA supplements

    EPA converts quite readily to DHA, but the reverse is less efficient, so there is some science behind the claims. It's no more expensive than - for example - Deva's DHA supplement (also vegan and...
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    Re: PETA killing animals?

    Nice sidestep!. But in terms of treating as you would be treated yourself, there's a double standard there. The logic of PETA's arguments is fine, but the values are a mess.



    Well, we're...
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    Re: PETA killing animals?

    Typical PETA final solution talk that switches thousands off the organisation and off veganism.

    From the usual celebrity based PETA press release, here about Michael Vick taking an "empthy for...
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    Re: PETA killing animals?

    I totally agree with you Dreama.

    I also find the obturate cold logic of Peta's excuses quite nauseatingly hypocritical. It actually does veganism a great disservice.
    I get involved in lots of...
  25. Re: Booja-Booja’s new ‘Stuff in a Tub’ is better than ice cream

    I think the ginger is pretty good...

    More importnat, I finally got to try the chocloate last night and it's everything I'd hoped for - not too fat, not to sweet and VERY choclately in a dark...
  26. Re: If you want to convince someone to be vegan. Wellness Now

    Near lochness....:cool:
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    "Too late to avoid global warming"

    Articlke in UK's The Independentof 19/09/2007: http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article2976669.ece
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    Re: New Vegan...

    You can also get lots of help

    here http://www.viva.org.uk/recipes/quick.html

    here http://www.viva.org.uk/recipes/youth.html

    here http://www.viva.org.uk/guides/martinguide.htm

    and here...
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    Re: Question about B12 absorption

    Sublingual/oral administration of B12 = cobalamins (often methylcobalamin) has in some studies been shown to be as effective as injections of the injectable form (often hydroxycobalamin). See...
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    Re: PETA, ALF and 'blowing up stuff'

    That's the party line, but there is evidence from people who brought animals to Peta shelters who would have found other solutions had they known the animals would be killed, just as there is...
  31. Re: Iranian Vegans established their native forum

    There are some amazing Iranian vegan dishes - one of my favourites is made out of celery. You can buy some in tins here in the UK - and wonderul Iranian dried figs, white and not disgustingly sticky...
  32. Article in UK Independent quesitoning validity and ethics of animals in studies

    http://news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article2964464.ece
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    Re: Fasting: what are your thoughts?

    It's fine once in a while. I've been on fasts of from 3 to 10 days. Everyone should try fasting at least once. It can be quite an eye opener.

    The tricky bit is how to reintroduce food. It needs...
  34. Poll: Dog diet info for Billy

    Billy, take a look here, specifically note the comments on taurine and carnitine - better safe than sorry and both available in vegan forms, but note that Vegedog does not contain the latter:
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  35. Poll: Re: What is your opinion about keeping pets? Poll planned...

    Yes, Holly, it's like the difference between someone who works from home living with a dog and someone who works in an office leaving a dog locked up at home all day.

    And Billy, think about...
  36. Poll: Re: Is it right for a vegan to keep a 'pet'? Poll planned.

    Exactly! The whole thing is so complicated that a poll doesn't even begin to adddress the many variables involved. This thread's much more interesting :-)
  37. Re: Discount on life insurance for non-meat eaters

    Their pet insurance is also very good! Good value and fair (i..e for cover of long illness, older animals etc.).

    Cheers

    Mike
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    Re: Complain to BBC over defamatory programme

    Also written.
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    Too chocolatey sounds good....

    They have everything except the chocalte in brighton's Sunny Foods, but they're promised to get some for me.

    Some stores load prices a lot, it's not like the...
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    Re: Your personal vegan story

    Pat,

    some local recycling schemes take Tetra-Paks. Magpie in Brighton is one of them. I'm not sure about Bath, but it might be worth asking around.

    Cheers

    Mike
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