I'm not using a couple of the well known animal charities that i used to buy from. I'm fed up with bad orders, things missing, silly 'credit notes' written on slips of paper, being made to feel awful if i complain because my son's chocolate is bad when he gets it.................
it wasnt the Dr Hadwen Trust was it? I've ordered stuff off there and i hope i dont have any problems....
I sent them their 5p back with their questionaire and told them that I could not support a charity that advocates animal "welfare" without taking a vegan stand in the matter...
I know veganism allienates some people but if you are serious about animals you cannot support their exploitation and being vegan is a must.
Peta absolutely do advocate veganism as the ideal. however, they also work to improve welfare where preaching veganism will have no effect, for example with KFC and Burger King. whether those two are incompatible is up for discussion.
'The word gorilla was derived from the Greek word Gorillai (a "tribe of hairy women")'
Peta absolutely do advocate veganism as the ideal. however, they also work to improve welfare where preaching veganism will have no effect, for example with KFC and Burger King. whether those two are incompatible is up for discussion.
Veganism should not be the "ideal", i.e. unachievable position that we should all have but never will.
Veganism should be the only stand a charity like Peta should accept (in my opinion and if they want my support). I cannot support an organisation that gives prizes to KFC, burger King or whole foods when these people are selling the corpses of murdered animals.
Gorilla, I am not saying that nothing they do is good for the animals or that people that support them do not care about animals (or anything of the sort)... I am just saying that I cannot support them because even if what they achieve is sometimes good, I disagree with their stand on the matter (i.e. animal welfare)
i understand your point and in fact i agree to some extent, but the way your original post was worded, it sounded like you were unaware of the fact that Peta would much rather everyone went vegan so they didn't have to push for better animal welfare standards.
'The word gorilla was derived from the Greek word Gorillai (a "tribe of hairy women")'
has anyone else been sent another 5p letter? i got one yesterday, with a clear plastic window in the envelope showing off the 5p before you even open it, and enclosed with it was another 'survey'. bah.
'The word gorilla was derived from the Greek word Gorillai (a "tribe of hairy women")'
I think I had another one a while ago. I didn't open it because I could see what it was. I must get around to writing to them or sending it back with "unsolicited mail" on it!
"Do what you can with what you have where you are."
- Theodore Roosevelt
I only get post from Animal Aid so they haven't passed my address on, which is nice. I get upset by some of the stuff they send but on the whole I don't mind the occasional reality checks.
'Spring will soon pounce [like a floppy kitten]'. Whalespace.
Risker what you need to do is send by all the 5ps with a questionnaire to PETA.
Q1/ Do you think giving away £100s worth of 5ps is a good use of fund raising investments
Q2/ I know fund raising requires investment but do you think keeping the 5p would be better for you not me.
Ah I could bang on for ages, working for a charity myself I know all the things that drives people nuts. Fund raising does require investment for a return but this method is unpopular and p**s poor use of funds.
I agree with Kev Animal Aid are very good, they have a good balance and I am very sure they do not pass on any details. More and more charities (mainly smaller ones) operate a strict no swap policy it proves popular with donors.
I didn't have a spare stamp to send the 5p back to them so I think I will just keep it. I think I will give it to my husband as it is all sticky from the sellotape they used.
I don't think I have ever given Peta any money and I'm not sure I will as I hear so many conflicting reports about them.
I know how you all like me to keep you up to date with this, so just to let you know that I have now received a total of 30p from Peta. In return I have donated their letters to the recycling people.
"I don't want to live on this planet any more" - Professor Hubert J. Farnsworth
Don't know what the letter was about, just ripped the 5p off and put the rest in the shredder.
They really aren't very clever.
I might email them and ask them to stop sending the letters and just transfer money straight into my bank account instead. Will be much better for the environment and more convenient all round.
"Mr Flibble - forum corruptor of innocents!!" - Hemlock
Peta really should stick to their educational videos and materials and stop pushing the angle that it is okay to abuse animals as we do it nicely.
Do these silly 5p stunts really work? Doesn't sound like it from what you guys have said above
Mr Flibble
I might email them and ask them to stop sending the letters and just transfer money straight into my bank account instead. Will be much better for the environment and more convenient all round.
This does remind me of charities sending pens with forms, sometimes really good ones, other ones that have just enough ink for one form and then run out.
I received a 5p today... took me by surprise, didn't know they had my address With some stupid questionnaire about dog and cat fur, or something. I know it ended with them asking for my money.
Personally it doesn't bother me, because there will be some people who do fill in the questionaires and send them back. Besides, not everyone who orders from PETA/Animal Aid is a veg*n, some people will order from them for members of the family who are veg*n.
I also like the Animal Aid mag, since there aren't that many animal rights magazines out there to buy, it's nice to have it through the post when I don't expect it.
And you can just recycle the paper anyway. Tbh, I find the charity bags more annoying which come every 3-4 times a month or more.
I just received my 5p from Peta today. Filled out the "survey" which isn't a survey and sent it back with the 5p still attached and a little note telling them if they had that kind of money to throw around then they certainly didn't need any more from me and my money would be donated to animal charities who knew where to put it to proper use.
I used to give to Water Aid by direct debit until one day they rang me up and asked if I would like to donate more money each month.
I cancelled my donation immediately and it went somewhere else.
I can't for the life of me understand why charities are alienating the very people who already donate to them. Seems when they get too big, they just don't give a damn.
That's why I always give to smaller charities like Animal Aid, Viva! and BUAV. I know it's valued and is being spent wisely. Peta are just to big for their own boots.
I got a letter from cancer research asking for support! I have never given them money and indeed boycott then due to animal testing so it certainly begs the question where they got my details from.
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