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    VEGAN SOCIETY RELOCATION - WHERE TO, AND WHY


    At the Council meeting on July 16th, it was decided by an overwhelming majority to relocate the Society's offices from the Hastings area on the south coast to the Midlands, and specifically to Birmingham. The move is expected to take place not less than six months and not more than twelve months from now - i.e. between January and July 2006.

    Proceeds from the sale of property currently owned by the Society, together with a portion of its reserves, will be used to purchase new offices in Birmingham of around 1000 square feet - substantially larger than the current accommodation.

    This major decision for the future of the Society follows many months of extensive research and discussion in response to a strong view on the part of Council, staff and others that the current location seriously hampers recruitment of staff and volunteers as well as limiting the Society's effectiveness in engaging with the media, government bodies, commercial organisations and other groups to promote veganism.

    The possibility of relocation to London was considered in detail following a meeting of Council and staff in January this year at which it was decided to investigate relocation to the capital if costs could be kept within an agreed budget. Local contacts were consulted and useful feedback was received. After careful exploration of options to reduce costs, it was concluded in March that the much higher salary and accommodation costs outweighed the potential benefits of a move to London and that the risk to the Society's financial stability could not be justified.

    The search for other options to achieve comparable benefits at a lower cost focused on areas with a substantially lower cost of living than London, with good transport links to London and other major centres, and with a substantial number of vegans and a large student population. After further research and discussion, the following shortlist was drawn up based on those criteria and including suggestions from both staff and Council members: Birmingham, Bristol, Cambridge, Hove, Leicester,
    Nottingham. Southampton.

    Information on cost and accessibility was gathered for each location, together with feedback from vegans in the area.

    The information confirmed that both office space and housing were much cheaper than London for all the short-listed locations, though two - Cambridge and Hove - stood out as markedly more expensive, with housing costs 50 per cent. higher than in Birmingham, Leicester or Nottingham. Prices in Bristol and Southampton were somewhere in between. The south coast locations had the longest journey times to reach a cross section of major UK cities, while Birmingham had the shortest overall.

    In addition to the objective considerations above, at the Council meeting on 16th July different people presented the case for the different areas, emphasising issues such as attractiveness as places for vegans to live and opportunities to engage with the local community to promote veganism. In the case of Bristol and Birmingham, written feedback from vegan activists in the area was a useful addition to the discussion.

    Southampton and Cambridge quickly fell off the shortlist as no Council member was convinced that either was an appropriate choice for the Society's future headquarters.

    Despite high costs, Hove was seriously considered as the Brighton area was seen as an attractive location for vegans, while proximity to the Society's present south coast location would minimise disruption for current staff. After a good presentation and considerable debate, however, it was concluded that the advantages were outweighed by considerations such as the high cost of living in the Brighton area and its impact on both housing and salary costs, together with the non-central location in terms of the rest of the country. Hove was therefore also dropped from the shortlist.

    This left three Midlands locations (Birmingham, Leicester and Nottingham) and Bristol. The general view was that any of these four locations would be good locations for the Society, but a firm choice needed to be made to end uncertainty for current staff and to begin the detailed specific work to relocate.

    A powerful presentation drawing on detailed feedback from the area secured Birmingham's position as the preferred Midlands location, so the final choice was between Birmingham and Bristol. There was a strong feeling that a headquarters in the heart of England would be fertile territory for expanding the promotion of veganism and breaking away from the Society's previous rather white middle class south-eastern image. Somewhat higher costs and less central location were disadvantages for Bristol and despite a persuasive description of its attractions as a vibrant and flourishing vegan centre, Council decided by a large majority that Birmingham - four times the size of Bristol and with no major vegan or vegetarian organisation currently based there - was the preferred location.

    Birmingham is therefore the intended future base for the Vegan Society.

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    Sounds good to me

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    Oh not Somerset oh well I am glad they have chosen a sensible location based on the facts listed.

    I am so glad they chose not to move to London, from a personal point and as a charity worker I find it hard to support charities who insist they must be in London to be a success. This is in my view utter rubbish many charities are based in far of town and rural locations and prove successful.

    I fully understand why the VS are moving and support them fully in their choice.
    They are going to improve their status and not get fleeced by London costs and I have more funds for their work in the mean time.
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    Default Email from the Birmingham veggie/vegan group

    "It will be great if as many of people as possible can make it to the Following social events with members of the Staff and Council of the Vegan Society, who are holding a Council Meeting in Birmingham the weekend 10 - 11 September. Their meeting is linked to the Vegan Society's decision to relocate to Birmingham and it will be good if as many of our members as possible can come along and make them feel really welcome.

    There'll be an opportunity to chat with them over a meal on:

    Sat 10 September 7 p.m.
    ROOTY FROOTY (in The Custard Factory), 37 Gibb Street, Digbeth, Birmingham at 7 p.m. You will be able to choose what you want to eat from their normal menu on the night. and possibly later for a drink at the Old Crown Pub, 188 The Hight St., Deritend, B12 OLD, which is next door to the Custard Factory.

    Sun 11 September 1 p.m.
    BODY AND BEING, 100 Browning Street, Birmingham B16 8EH This is by the canal at Sherborne Wharf and if the weather is good there are tables outside as well as lots of room in their restaurant. You can order items from their menu on the day.Try parking in Sheepcote Street and walk over a footbridge to get to the restaurant. There's a map on www.bodyandbeing.co.uk

    URGENT: Please email rainbowspan@hotmail.com or phone 0121 353 2442 to say if you can come to either/both of these events. We need to let these restaurants know numbers as soon as possible."

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    The big down side to the potential move is the Society will loose all its staff bar one.

    Is this a price too high to pay?

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    In the short term it may bring difficulties but for the medium - longer term situation i think the move is a good one. So no, not too high a price to pay in my opinion.

    New staff, new ideas, there are plenty of things i like about the vegan society as it is, and the good work that is done, but things may change for the better.

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    Quote Kevster
    In the short term it may bring difficulties but for the medium - longer term situation i think the move is a good one. So no, not too high a price to pay in my opinion.

    New staff, new ideas, there are plenty of things i like about the vegan society as it is, and the good work that is done, but things may change for the better.

    I'll second that, a new broom and all that.

    Sad but the Vegan soc doesn't always get good press even with vegans and changes will with luck, be good.
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    Sadly, the staff are not the problem.

    Have you come across this yet? It's partly written by me, but you can make some judgements from the growing list of signatures.

    http://www.tvvvs.makessense.co.uk/articles/165.html

    (if you want to add your name in support, then please message me)

    BTW, in principle I agree with the move, but I'm not sure the Society will function well if it loses some much experiance. Availability of staff must be a driver for the move.

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    Continuity will be an issue, i suppose when they reviewed the move they looked into this? This is the first i've heard that only one person will be going with the move to Birmingham... but still i think it's important.

    Also sounds like there'll be as much support as Birmingham/West Midlands vegans can muster.

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    Moving to somewhere with a greater pool of people who can help out and be potential staff is a great idea and brave move. Brum is certainly more convenient for nearly all of us who'd like to visit the Society offices.

    However, the staff voting with their feet does worry me. I know they were prepared to move almost anywhere and are a very dedicated lot. However Birmingham seems to be almost unanimously unappealing to them.

    The staff are one of the Society's greatest assets. For example:
    • The current CEO is level headed, even minded, caring and efficient, and seems a great asset. Good CEOs don't come by the bus load.
    • A big reason the magazine has got so much better recently is because of the staff editor.


    I doubt the Vegan Soc Council realised how many staff would go if the move to Brum became a reality, probably not even the staff themselves did. I don't know if there is any way the staff could be encouraged to rethink or input an alternative solution which would suit many, but it could be worth a try.

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    I think you'll find that the growing number of vegans in the Midlands from all levels of professional and office experience will be more than happy to apply to replace those staff who don't want to live here though...

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    That's fabulous. It would be great to have a big source of new people, and if we can grow the Society we can also grow the number of staff. A permanent press/publicity officer would be excellent and is not currently in place.

    My concern is for some continuity, which in any organisation is important for the day to day running of things, and also to show the current staff that they are valued. Additionally, recruitment is an expensive process.

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    Bittersweet and any other Birmingham locals - is there anything you could tell staff about the wonders of your city which might help some of them find it's not such a bad idea to move there after all, despite the greater expense?

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    I only moved here a year ago, and I think it's great!

    It's a very up and coming city - forget all the old stereotypes, Birmingham is about change and growth, is VERY welcoming and amazingly culturally diverse.

    I love being able to shop at "ethnic" shops, and equally, at an ALL VEGAN store (free publicity for One Earth in Digbeth, which even gets shoes in from Vegetarian Shoes in order that you can actually try them on!) - new places to eat out are springing up all the time, and (at least among my friends and work colleagues, and even many of the local restaurants) the general acceptance of veganism as a serious lifestyle choice is very good.

    The local public transport system, whilst not very fast (no Metro, boo) at least has the bonus of having several fixed price "season" tickets - encouraging people to expore the area via public transport rather than by car - and the train stations are of course fantastically well connected to the rest of the country.

    The city centre, and the outlying "villages" all have different characters, and there are provisions for almost all leisure persuits you can think of, if you take the trouble to look for them, including active Animal Rights advocates, and many other "good works" organisations (humanitarian, religious, educational, etc).

    I like Brum. I haven't felt this good about living anywhere since I left the North-east, and that's only because that's my "home"!

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    Oh, and "greater expense"... I wonder where they think that will come in. It may not be typical, but I've found most prices here (including house prices) compare quite favourably with the North West, where I lived before, which is usually quoted as having a less expensive "cost-of-living" index.... Of course, if you're like me you end up spanding more on concerts and stuff, simply because there's more stuff on, but that's not essential (just damn good fun).

    For example, my partner sold his 2 bed town house in Lancaster for £90,000 - no central heating, and v. small rooms (don't tell him I said so, he always argued that the high ceilings made all the difference, but it's sold now, and I don't have to be nice about it!). You could (if you picked the area right) get a 2- bed house with a garden for that down here - of course, location makes a lot of difference, but the postcode boundaries round here are so weird that, with a good map, you could soon find yourself a house in a "less desirable" (ie cheaper) postcode, which was actually adjacent to a street in a more "up-market" one (ie has the same locale and facilities) for much less...

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    Hi Bittersweet,

    good to have this info - certainly is cheaper than Reading where I live.

    I think most staff will be looking at renting (house shares etc), as the rather small salaries of working for the Vegan Soc don't really amount to buying. From my student days I remember being ripped off a bit on that front in B'ham for very grotty places - is it any better now?

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    We're renting this next year - largish 3-bed on the Moseley/Sparkhill border (really Sparkhill, but a Moseley postcode no less) for £450 p/month. Can't speak for the single roomers...

    We've found it pays to look around a bit though...estate agents descriptions are awfully misleading...

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    *sighs*
    Jobs don't seem to be for life anymore, do they? I think the society is being unfair on the staff expecting them to relocate, it is a major upheaval, especially to those with kids and families.
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    No not nice for the staff, but with luck great for the vegan movement.
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    Hi DoveInGreyClothing,

    I think it was you who responded to the thread on The Vegan Soc Trustee elections, which disappeared (though the moderators here can't figure out why, though they've tried) before I got a chance to reply.

    The election forms will be in the post in early October apparently. A wide selection of candidates, so your vote could make a big difference to the Society's future, as well as the move to Birmingham, for better or worse - hopefully for better in each case!

    Two of us standing have put some ideas up on how to develop the Vegan Soc at:
    http://www.tvvvs.makessense.co.uk/articles/162.html
    Feedback is most welcome, as if either of us get in we'd really like to know what members and potential members think.

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    Quote SophieFP
    I think it was you who responded to the thread on The Vegan Soc Trustee elections, which disappeared (though the moderators here can't figure out why, though they've tried) before I got a chance to reply.
    Just to clarify: When two threads are merged, links to one of them will not work, because they have only one 'thread ID' instead of two, after the merge. Two threads about TVS were merged into this one in the end of August....
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    As the Chair of a charity myself I believe it is very important for staff to be involved in and where possible own any decisions taken. Also, though it may be helpful for the society staff to get information on Birmingham, I wonder whether it would be possible to organise a visit for all the staff, maybe hosted by local activists so that the staff could meet the people they might be living near and socialising with (even working with in the case of voluneeers etc.), could see a stack of estate agents/house rental agency prices and pictures, get taken around a bit - in short get a feel for what a move would be like.

    Just and idea, hopefully helpful.

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    Thanks Korn - it all got a bit confused as the topics weren't the same but sounded so, so I can see why someone merged them.

    Michael - you sound like an excellent chair. Your suggestion for an outing for staff to take a look is such a good one - both practically and for morale. I do hope it gets followed up. I'll certainly pass it on to the Vegan Soc if you haven't already.

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    Isn't something like this already happening? ....post no. 4 of this thread.

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    Are Vegan Soc staff going to the event in post #4 Kevster? I'm a bit confused.

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    Quote SophieFP
    Your suggestion for an outing for staff to take a look is such a good one - both practically and for morale. I do hope it gets followed up. I'll certainly pass it on to the Vegan Soc if you haven't already.
    Hi Sophie,

    no I haven't mentioned it to anyone. Please feel free to make the suggestion. I hope it helps.

    Cheers

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    Quote SophieFP
    Are Vegan Soc staff going to the event in post #4 Kevster? I'm a bit confused.
    Let's hope so. A formal invite and welcome, with time off in lieu would be constructive.

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    'with members of the Staff and Council of the Vegan Society'

    It seems to say so, but i don't actually know who's going or not going.

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    Well, I am a little sad at the move although the arguments are good ones!! because I used to live in Hastings and was always proud to have the society on my door step!! But saying that I have since moved North, and they obviously missed me, so are moving up country to be nearer to me <grin> hehehehe!!!

    Good luck with the move guys!!
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    I've just asked the office and staff are visiting Birmingham this weekend - so let's hope they see all the good bits! Great they had your good idea themselves Michael.

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    unfortunately I'll be away this weekend...still, no doubt they'll be well taken care of...

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    Sounds like they had a good time in Birmingham when they visited. Not sure if it means anymore moving, but I hope so.

    My funky young cousin has just moved there and loves it.

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    The move is on hold at the moment, somewhat due to the lack of staff willing to move.

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    Well maybe that isn't too surprising. The cost of having two bases would probably be unfeasibly high. But i suppose possible for different Vegan society activities? I don't know but i think it probably needs to happen. Especially if they aren't filling current vacancies like the trademark post, looking at the results there was a bit of a slip in this important area... but difficult to comment on this from so far outside, i suspect things may become clearer on the Bristol week-end.

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    Vegan Soc Open Day in Birmingham, read more here.

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    I just received an email with some more details...

    VEGAN SOCIETY RECRUITMENT OPEN DAY
    Saturday 3rd March 2007
    11am - 5pm
    The Warehouse Café
    54-57 Allison Street, Birmingham, B5 5TH
    http://www.thewarehousecafe.com/

    The Vegan Society is relocating to Birmingham this spring. This is a great opportunity for more people to become involved at our larger, more accessible new premises.

    We are holding an open day for people to come along and chat informally to members of staff and Council about working for us. You will also get a glass of wine or fruit juice and some food.

    Whether you have a few hours a week to give as a volunteer or whether you are interested to know about the job vacancies that will be available in the new Birmingham office, we would love to see you on the day.

    Volunteers
    It might be that you have a particular skill to offer. For example you may be a web designer, or a health professional who can help with our advocacy campaign, or a lawyer who can give us legal advice. Or it might be that you are happy to do some filing and photocopying. Some volunteer work can be done remotely, such as proofreading.

    Job Vacancies
    Chief Executive Officer – someone with vision and enthusiasm to drive the charity forward.
    Education Officer – to promote veganism in schools.
    Finance Officer – to manage the accounts and office systems.
    Information Officer – to research and write factual material.

    It may be that you are interested in one of the jobs we are currently advertising, but you want to find out more before deciding whether to apply for it or not. If this is the case then please come along and ask questions.

    For some posts flexible hours of work, part time work or job sharing may be considered, again, come and talk to us about this.
    We have some great opportunities available due to both relocation and expansion into new areas. Even if none of the jobs currently advertised are suitable for you, come and meet us anyway so we can get to know the skills and talents available for the future.

    If you can’t make it on the day or want more information please contact Rosamund Raha: rosamundr@vegansociety.com 01424 448829.
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    As a side note to this (or maybe completely off topic), I think that the Vegan Society website could well and truly do with a major face lift. A more contemporary and professional looking user friendly website could do wonders for the way organisation is perceived both by the public and media alike.

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    They did use 'web designer' as an example of the type of people that they needed, so perhaps they agree with you!

    I wonder what sort of experience you need to get a job with the vegan society.

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    Quote Aberbrothock View Post
    As a side note to this (or maybe completely off topic), I think that the Vegan Society website could well and truly do with a major face lift. A more contemporary and professional looking user friendly website could do wonders for the way organisation is perceived both by the public and media alike.
    Indeed, i absolutely agree, it's been something mentioned time and again over the years, and i was led to believe that something was near fruition, but maybe not..... maybe the Birmingham move has distracted from this important endeavour?

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    i think the web site is pretty rank - all the pages look the same - not very dynamic - a real turn off

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    Indeed, i absolutely agree, it's been something mentioned time and again over the years, and i was led to believe that something was near fruition, but maybe not..... maybe the Birmingham move has distracted from this important endeavour?
    Ha...I think somebody breathing would be enough to distract them from doing anyhting about it....it's not like it's an enormous job and yet at least two years (maybe more) later it's still the same crappy, basic, uninspiring format.

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    They did use 'web designer' as an example of the type of people that they needed, so perhaps they agree with you!

    I wonder what sort of experience you need to get a job with the vegan society.
    i was thinking of applying for a job with them, but they were more interested in people who had a degree than people with any relevant experience, which for the salary they were offering seemed a little surprising.
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    They have a poll on the site for "Have you found your visit to our website...." I'm amazed that 27&#37; thought it was excellent. If enough of us voted that it was "Poor - difficult to find my way around" maybe they'd get the message.

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    I wonder how many people have taken part in the poll thus far??? Anyway i think it is pretty fundamental for any organisation to have an up to date web site and that would have looked out of place six years ago.

    Not sure if i'll join up this year.

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    Ah well, 1022 votes, but it is phrased in terms of poor equals i couldn't find what i wanted rather than poor website design/use of media.

    There also happen to be three good options, one reasonable one, and one poor. Kinda weighted methinks.

    What only 1022 votes how long has that poll been running?



    You can vote here: http://www.vegansociety.com/phpws/

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    i was thinking of applying for a job with them, but they were more interested in people who had a degree than people with any relevant experience, which for the salary they were offering seemed a little surprising.
    Sadly that's what prevented me going for the interview, I have a degree and all the relevant work experience and more but the salary was more check out assistant at Sainsburys.
    I'd be prepared to take a smallish salary in return for a great job but I felt they were asking the world and giving very little in return.
    Shame because it's only a few miles away from home.
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    I was looking for info on the education officer post but im guessing thats one for someone with a degree?

    It doesnt mention levels of pay?

    I agree the website is in need of a more modern style - this might happen after the move to Brum?

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    Dunno but i reckon jobs should be open to people who are enthused to do them, and it shouldn't be about qualifications. Qualifications don't necessarily equal effectiveness.

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    that's true Kevster, but a lot of peope don't think so, including some at the Vegan Society unfortunately.
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    i was thinking of applying for a job with them, but they were more interested in people who had a degree than people with any relevant experience, which for the salary they were offering seemed a little surprising.
    Funny you should say that I thought that was surprising too. I have the qualifications, but no relevant experience, and don't think I'd be the best person because of that.

    It must be hard to find qualified people WITH relevant experience, who are willing to work for half the salary. I'm dedicated to the vegan cause and everything, but I'd like to be able to pay the mortgage too

    I'm interested in doing a bit of voluntary work though.

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