I find it so refreshing when women can be seen, judged on their physical conformity to an impossible standard, rated according to their appearance and nothing else and, most importantly, not heard.
I find it so refreshing when women can be seen, judged on their physical conformity to an impossible standard, rated according to their appearance and nothing else and, most importantly, not heard.
Thats so great lol
"i'm rejecting my reflection, cause i hate the way it judges me."
It doesn't say that the models are vegetarian, though.
It does - in the end.
I wonder why they're all so tall.
Haven't you heard the term 'survival of the fittest'? Only the tallest, slimmest, most 'commercial looking' women make it into Peta's marketing stunts (which this is). It's a link to meat.org (a Peta-site) at the end of the video - if you go there, you'll find links to five Peta-addresses, including the URL where they ask people to donate to Peta and become members.
We've had a lot of Peta-spam here, and like with all other spam, we normally just remove it. For a change I'll keep the spam up for a while - just to show an example of how the marketing people in Peta work. I don't know what's worst, really - not marketing veganism or animal rights at all, or doing it in a ways loads of vegans, animal rights people and others just find silly.
Whatever Peta-fans think about Peta's "It’s about babes – not bulls'-approach, maybe it's time for Peta to reconsider ways to be taken seriously or give a thought to the fact that using overexposed celebrities like Paris Hilton is something lots of vegetarians and vegans, who often 'think different' feel that they can't identify with.
Whether it's sexist or not, it looks to many people that they lack ideas regarding new ways to promote veganism/vegetarianism. Having people taking off some or all of their clothes may generate some attention, but I doubt that whoever is behind this model-video they'll get an award for intelligent, tasteful, innovate marketing. But then again - which pro-vegan organization would?
Who is more deserving of our admiration? Slim, aesthetically acceptable celebrities or real women who have undergone true hardship and are, in my opinion, a thousand times more beautiful.
I'm not a fan of beauty contests (your appearance has no bearing on how valuable you are as a person, however much the media tries to make us think otherwise) but at least this one is raising awareness.
celebrities expose themselves for getting attention, whereas real women can keep themselves for themselves. i don't think you can compare them with each other.
just because i wrote that i think victoria beckham is good looking, it doesn't mean that i admire her, cause to be honest, i think celebrities like her basically give themselves away for media-prostitution.
but still, she does look good to me, and i'm not ashamed to say that
don't look at her body then...look at her beautiful face and haircut
Actually, I don't really like her face or her haircut! Her piggy nose was less noticeable when she wasn't so skinny and her hair just makes her look more anorexic! I just don't think I can be converted on the Posh Spice issue.
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I find it so refreshing when women can be seen, judged on their physical conformity to an impossible standard, rated according to their appearance and nothing else and, most importantly, not heard.
Lol couldn't have put it better myself! It's because of this that I now hate Peta...lets exploite some women to show how we are against the exploitation of animals. tssk
I would like to know if Peta does any research to find out whether this sort of thing attracts support (as opposed to attention) and if it does, what sort of supporters it attracts and how long they stick with it.
Apart from being sexist, it just seems to be completely beside the point
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ugh, that's as much of a choice I can really make...but in all honesty, I would kick them all out of bed...there's more room on the floor, although, I would probably need a ball-gag for Beckham.
As for exploiting...these girls are models so they live by their image (already a downside in my mind). As a man I'm always jealous of the attention a woman can command...sorry if this offended anybody but I am a pig, I've learned to accept that (and thankfully so has my wife!).
Lol couldn't have put it better myself! It's because of this that I now hate Peta...lets exploite some women to show how we are against the exploitation of animals. tssk
Aren't they putting themselves in the position to be exploited? can we really blame Peta if the women are doing it themselves? its not like they are putting a gun to their head and saying get naked.
To fight the "exploitation" of women, you have to change society and the way women view themselves as well. Some women feel that being able to show their bodies is a sign of feminism and in a way it is, however it has gotten twisted so much that now women are only looked upon as sex objects.
A women's body is beautiful and being naked is natural it just sucks that we are constantly looked at like an object, i'm actually really torn on this issue.
"i'm rejecting my reflection, cause i hate the way it judges me."
Aren't they putting themselves in the position to be exploited? can we really blame Peta if the women are doing it themselves? its not like they are putting a gun to their head and saying get naked.
True. But are PETA setting the right example by using women in this way? And what message do all the naked-woman-draped-over-random-object adverts and videos send to young women? This is how you are judged, this is the only way you can get noticed (cos boy oh boy does the world dislike a woman with a brain and a mouth) so get your kit off and start dieting?
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To fight the "exploitation" of women, you have to change society and the way women view themselves as well. Some women feel that being able to show their bodies is a sign of feminism and in a way it is, however it has gotten twisted so much that now women are only looked upon as sex objects.
I would say we've been seen as sex objects for hundreds of years, it's just more obvious now naked women are used to sell everything. I think it's more an issue of being viewed as a sexual object only,(rather that a sexual person, who can contribute and consent and lead and follow) not a human being. Judging the 'best vegan model' or whatever feeds this. We are only judging them on their looks.
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A women's body is beautiful and being naked is natural it just sucks that we are constantly looked at like an object, i'm actually really torn on this issue.
Don't stop yourself being/looking/acting sexual for fear of being pigeonholed. You are an intelligent, independent sexual person who is not defined by how they look, how sexy they are or what shape. Never allow yourself to be made a sexual object. I have been treated like a sexual object before (and since doing nudes it's become a little more frequent) but I resist it. I am in control of my photos and as such I try to combat the notion that women are the image and nothing else. Forge your own path, be your own person and if we all did the same things would start to change.
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but I am a pig, I've learned to accept that (and thankfully so has my wife!)
Way to absolve yourself of all personal responsibility for any offense you may cause.
True. But are PETA setting the right example by using women in this way? And what message do all the naked-woman-draped-over-random-object adverts and videos send to young women? This is how you are judged, this is the only way you can get noticed (cos boy oh boy does the world dislike a woman with a brain and a mouth) so get your kit off and start dieting?
I totally agree but I feel like a lot of things are going to have to change to come to a solution. I feel as though I was raised by several strong female rolemodels and because of this I am a strong women, I tell men off if I feel they have crossed the line and many women do not do this, I feel a lot of women like the attention. Of course I like being told I am beautiful, but there is a polite way and a wrong ass hole way of doing that.
I also think that parents need to play a more prominent role in their childrens lives rather then letting the media raise their kids, that should hopefuly help to create more strong brains not "beauty" future generations.
But then again i don't know, i'm torn.
"i'm rejecting my reflection, cause i hate the way it judges me."
I would like to know if Peta does any research to find out whether this sort of thing attracts support (as opposed to attention) and if it does, what sort of supporters it attracts and how long they stick with it.
Good questions. I'm not sure PETA is as interested in long-term effects as it should be; they seem to like the shock factor. Thing is, most people are unable to remain shocked for long periods of time.
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I totally agree but I feel like a lot of things are going to have to change to come to a solution. I feel as though I was raised by several strong female rolemodels and because of this I am a strong women, I tell men off if I feel they have crossed the line and many women do not do this, I feel a lot of women like the attention.
Absolutely, by no means are we even near a solution. As for women liking the attention, I think it's because the only way women can be validated is physically so as a result they court that attention. If we valued women for intelligence or bravery or success or whatever it wouldn't be so much of an issue.
Absolutely, by no means are we even near a solution. As for women liking the attention, I think it's because the only way women can be validated is physically so as a result they court that attention. If we valued women for intelligence or bravery or success or whatever it wouldn't be so much of an issue.
Very true. your so smart AMF!
"i'm rejecting my reflection, cause i hate the way it judges me."
do they use Paris Hilton? Doesn't she wear fur? I hate PeTA's reliance on celebrities who are so fickle that if, like Drew Barrymore, they find it "boring" to only shop at Old Navy they decide they just can't be veg*n anymore (I read that in a magazine a couple years ago, so I can't say what her real reasons were for starting to eat and wear animals again).
Plus their reliance on Pam Anderson - she invested in a restaurant that her friend started that serves meat and dairy! Yeah, go Pam.
Mainly I dislike PeTA because their tactics are so over the top that if you're in a town in, say, Tennessee, USA, tabling at an event or handing out leaflets at a circus protest the first thing you're asked is if you're with PeTA, and if you are you will not even be listened to.
They do do some good things; I just think their celebrity craze has overshadowed everything else. And it's so capitalistic and sexist to boot.
Aren't they putting themselves in the position to be exploited? can we really blame Peta if the women are doing it themselves? its not like they are putting a gun to their head and saying get naked.
To fight the "exploitation" of women, you have to change society and the way women view themselves as well. Some women feel that being able to show their bodies is a sign of feminism and in a way it is, however it has gotten twisted so much that now women are only looked upon as sex objects.
A women's body is beautiful and being naked is natural it just sucks that we are constantly looked at like an object, i'm actually really torn on this issue.
I was listening to an interview on WBAI in NYC some months ago. I wish I could tell you who the interview was with - it was one of the organizers of a group dedicated to empowering young women of color, and the person who was being interviewed, who was older and has been through both the Civil Rights and early part of the women's movement, said that she did not fight for the right rto have the word "bitch" (or variant spellings thereof) splashed across some young woman's chest on a T-shirt. I thought "right on."
True enough that women's bodies are beautiful, and true enough that there is nothing wrong with admiring. But the so-called beauty of celebrities is used, as you mentioned, for objectification - in this instance, in some way, I think women's bodies are being used for consumerist/capitalist purposes. To sell PeTA. Not even animal rights per se. Cause if I'm not mistaken, Beckham wears animal skins. I didn't look at the video so I don't know who else is in there, but she's been mentioned. And I bet that these women's bodies all conform to a certain standard designed by men and flaunted around as not only the ideal body, but the healthiest and the only desirable type of body. I also think celebrities do this kind of thing a lot not because they have convictions (there are some who do, but it seems to me to be the exception) but because they want the press, the exposure (no pun intended) - they're selling themselves.
And on one hand it doesn't really matter - it's their bodies, they can do with them as they will. On the other hand it's continuing the long line of objectification that so often gets in our way of being judged based on something other than what we look like.
I was listening to an interview on WBAI in NYC some months ago. I wish I could tell you who the interview was with - it was one of the organizers of a group dedicated to empowering young women of color, and the person who was being interviewed, who was older and has been through both the Civil Rights and early part of the women's movement, said that she did not fight for the right rto have the word "bitch" (or variant spellings thereof) splashed across some young woman's chest on a T-shirt. I thought "right on."
True enough that women's bodies are beautiful, and true enough that there is nothing wrong with admiring. But the so-called beauty of celebrities is used, as you mentioned, for objectification - in this instance, in some way, I think women's bodies are being used for consumerist/capitalist purposes. To sell PeTA. Not even animal rights per se. Cause if I'm not mistaken, Beckham wears animal skins. I didn't look at the video so I don't know who else is in there, but she's been mentioned. And I bet that these women's bodies all conform to a certain standard designed by men and flaunted around as not only the ideal body, but the healthiest and the only desirable type of body. I also think celebrities do this kind of thing a lot not because they have convictions (there are some who do, but it seems to me to be the exception) but because they want the press, the exposure (no pun intended) - they're selling themselves.
And on one hand it doesn't really matter - it's their bodies, they can do with them as they will. On the other hand it's continuing the long line of objectification that so often gets in our way of being judged based on something other than what we look like.
I totally agree, I am constantly telling people "men and women fought so hard to get equal rights for women and now look what we are doing. it is like a slap in the face to them!" It is ridiculous we really havn't come that far, instead of being trapped in long dresses and corsets we are trapped in what the ideal body and appereance should be.
I don't personally feel that dressing so skimpy is a sign of feminism although I do feel like feminism is about a womens freedom to chose her own life so if a women decides to dress that way or put herself out there who am I to judge, I can only control myself and I DONT like to objectified and I WONT be.
"i'm rejecting my reflection, cause i hate the way it judges me."
i watched the video, i thought it was a bit boring, but i arent into girls so maybe its because of that lol.
I didnt know posh spice was vegetarian though, that is just wierd that it is never mentioned much in the media. So i learnt something from watching teh video lol.
I dont agree with womens bodies being used to sell stuff, when i was younger i did have eating disorder always thinking i was fat and crap compared to models etc. Now i am a bit older it doesnt affect me as much, no, now i am thinking how shit my skin is because i have normal wrinkles, when a model or celebrity whos 5 or 10 years older than me has less wrinkles.
ARGH yeh i do hate how the world is obessed with image and so much money is wasted on diets and surgery etc. Meanwhile the planet is falling apart, people die from lack of medicines or food etc. its all so shit.
I liked the Miss Landmines site, i will go read it further now.
Um regarding someone saying Pam Anderson is bad for investing in a resturant that serves animal products. I have seen someone on here talk about being a vegan who owns a cafe that serves animal products, and no one here slagged them off, which i find odd. Maybe Pam invested in it so to get vegan options on the menu, and is trying to get some vegan stuff there avaiable... much like the vegan that runs a cafe here does? that sounds reasonable.
I'm sorry, but why all the energy focused towards this? It's human nature to notice looks. I think the main point of this is that these women look healthy and are vegetarian. If you have ever put on makeup, and fixed your hair to take a picture, is there really a big difference? It's a freakin' picture. Get over it.
Starndard of beauty, and sexist, and other buzzwords don't make a point more valid. How can we blame any person or entity for not being perfect (i.e. Peta using non-vegans, or models) when you're saying that society blames regular women for not being visually 'perfect.'
If you really don't care about celebrity and think it should be downplayed as a societal value, then why the constant celeb quotes and personal info on this thread?
Peta's GOAL is to reach as MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE. This means they have to try and reach all audiences, not just you. This means using every available media form at your disposal. Advertising companies use strategies that work, and Peta follows suit. So sue them.
So you think it's OK for PETA to use any means necessary to get attention?
PETA gets remembered only for it's controversial (usually objectifying) ads, not it's achievements in animal welfare. So in this case using strategies that work for advertising companies achieve nothing.
And surely as a huge organisation with a well-known name they have some responsibility to set a good example? Of course they're not perfect but this doesn't mean they can say 'screw it, let's use something in really bad taste just to get some attention'.
Some of their methods don't appeal to me, but I see nothing wrong in them. Using people in the media as models is normal, and even if you don't agree with it, a spokesperson is needed, and they get more attention than others, and yes attention is necessary is trying to reach the public.
Most of their tactics rely on shock...a picture of a skinned animal, or a picture of a cat's head split open. Others use nudity as an attention getter. Last time I checked, nudity isn't sex, so how can it be in bad taste. People streak and hold other forms of nudity in protest. I like being naked. I don' think it's bad taste.
Come down where I live and ask people what Peta is. They say they don't like them because vegetarians are stupid. Peta is not liked because people don't like what they believe, not what they do. OR, people think that Peta is the same thing as ALF and use violence. I don't care if people in ALF have been in Peta. Of course they would, it's their interest. That does not mean Peta supports violence. It means SOME people who belong to peta do.
Last time I checked, nudity isn't sex, so how can it be in bad taste. People streak and hold other forms of nudity in protest. I like being naked. I don' think it's bad taste.
Nobody has said that nudity is anything other than natural on this thread. It's the same old use of sexualised women's bodies to get attention that frustrates, why can't PETA set a good example instead of using women as objects to get attention? And the fact that sex is everywhere now means that their campaigns look much like everyone else's...why not use some ingenuity and do something different?
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Peta is not liked because people don't like what they believe, not what they do. OR, people think that Peta is the same thing as ALF and use violence.
In my experience most people only know PETA for the controversy surrounding their campaigns not the work they do (whether they think this work is commendable or not) If they want a higher profile why not publicise the changes they've made and the positive aspects to their work, rather than rely on the same on hackneyed crap that everyone else (brands included) uses?
Um regarding someone saying Pam Anderson is bad for investing in a resturant that serves animal products. I have seen someone on here talk about being a vegan who owns a cafe that serves animal products, and no one here slagged them off, which i find odd. Maybe Pam invested in it so to get vegan options on the menu, and is trying to get some vegan stuff there avaiable... much like the vegan that runs a cafe here does? that sounds reasonable.
Ah, that was I. I haven't been on this site long enough to have seen someone from here investing in a non-veg cafe, but I do indeed wonder how a vegan could invest in a non-veg cafe. I understand the idea to try to get vegan food on the menu, but this reminds me of the whole Silk and White Wave fiasco. I'm not certain if Silk is available outside the US (though I suspect it is), but it's owned by Dean Foods, the US' biggest dairy producer and distributor. Dean Foods also owns Horizon Organic which supplies supposedly organic milk and eggs to the public, but Horizon is being sued because the "organic" label is misleading, particularly in the way the cows and chickens are (mis)treated. Essentially they live on factory farms but are fed organic feed. White Wave is clearcutting South American rainforest to plant soybeans for its soy products. To me, then, any support of White Wave/Silk/Dean Foods is not a step toward veganising the world, but rather of food supply control. Silk is available all over the US, and in some places where there are no other soymilk options I probably won't say "don't buy any soy milk, then," but I will say to those who have options that nothing explains buying it when it supports the opposite of veganism.
The fact that it's available everywhere suggests not that veganism is really making strides (which it is, but still so slowly) but rather that Dean Foods, the main purpose of which is to make a profit, has now got both dairy consumers and consumers of soy in its palms. It has increased its profit without decreasing its involvement in animal cruelty or environmental destruction.
Unless the person who invested in the non-veg cafe knows his/her money is going only toward vegan food (and this could be the case), then I honestly think it's a level of complicity. With Pam Anderson, it was the same thing. The chef has created a line of vegetarian foods, apparently, for her, but not even vegan. http://www.blacksteel.tv/
The menu, as far as I checked, contains only one vegan item. It looks true enough that Pam Anderson only invested $25,000 in the restaurant and does not own any of it, but $25,000 is a huge chunk of change from where I sit (though not so much in Hollywood) - but she could have invested $25,000 in a vegan restaurant somewhere else in the US and kept her hands clean. This place looks like it thrives on meat and dairy. So yeah, I think she sucks for that.
If they want a higher profile why not publicise the changes they've made and the positive aspects to their work, rather than rely on the same on hackneyed crap that everyone else (brands included) uses?
Have you sent letters to Peta stating your concerns? If not, you should.
However, not everyone feels the way you do, and they do need to appeal to all audiences. I still don't see their work as using 'sexualized bodies.' I just interpret it differently. I don't think OBSESSING about looks is necessarily a choice to look up to, but that doesn't mean I think they should stop Miss America. I'll just continue to think it's dumb, and let them have their fun. Looks are fun. I check out cute boys and cute girls all the time. Its natural. We're meant to try and find the best mate for precreation, and a lot of that relies on looks to find a healthy partner. Its hard-wired into our brains; human nature. This is just an expression of that nature, repeated again with the purpose of pushing vegetarianism into the mainstream.
While I don't care what pam an does, I had only heard she was veg, not vegan. Who are we to know anyway? Maybe the chef was a fried she was helping out. We give money EVERYDAY to non-vegan shit. I guess that most of us shop at supermarkets that sell meat and milk, and no matter what we buy we are paying the salary of someone who eats meat. Even vegan store ships UPS (or some service) and the guy who drives that truck probably eats meat.
Silk rocks. I'm not going to start drinking ass-tasting soy milk and play more into the tasteless vegan food stereotype so that slightly less of my money goes out to this 99% non-vegan world.
I'll just continue to think it's dumb, and let them have their fun. Looks are fun. I check out cute boys and cute girls all the time. Its natural. We're meant to try and find the best mate for precreation, and a lot of that relies on looks to find a healthy partner. Its hard-wired into our brains; human nature. This is just an expression of that nature, repeated again with the purpose of pushing vegetarianism into the mainstream.
Checking people out and being attracted to them is natural. Portraying women as voiceless objects to be judged is not, it's demeaning. Some people might find it 'fun' but that doesn't make it right. Lots of people think using animals for entertainment is fun but it doesn't make that right either.
Alyssa Miliano has been a sex goddess to me for years....since I started watching charmed in good old 1998! I have a big poster of her on the wall...so yummy!
The taste of anything in my mouth for 5 seconds does not equate to the beauty and complexity of life.
Alyssa Miliano has been a sex goddess to me for years....since I started watching charmed in good old 1998! I have a big poster of her on the wall...so yummy!
Portraying women as voiceless objects to be judged is not, it's demeaning.
Yes, but everyone may not intepret this video as doing that. I, for example, interpret this video as being mindless and stupid, but a portrayal of saying look at these beautiful healthy women who thrive on a vegetarian diet. Not my taste, but I understand where it came from.
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But then again - which pro-vegan organization would?
It looks true enough that Pam Anderson only invested $25,000 in the restaurant and does not own any of it, but $25,000 is a huge chunk of change from where I sit (though not so much in Hollywood) - but she could have invested $25,000 in a vegan restaurant somewhere else in the US and kept her hands clean. This place looks like it thrives on meat and dairy. So yeah, I think she sucks for that. 
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