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    Default Carcinogen

    Thought this might be useful - am trying to find a defined list. I don't want to be a panic merchant, but we come across carcinogens all the time - UV light is a carcinogen and some of the compounds in my burnt toast this morning are carcinogenic but our immune systems usually pick off disfunctional cells. It's when it doesn't that tumours arise. It must be admitted though that we have more contact with carcinogens than ever before in our history (that I know of).

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    * A carcinogen is a substance that causes cancer (or is believed to cause cancer).

    * A carcinogenic material is one that is known to cause cancer.

    * The process of forming cancer cells from normal cells or carcinomas is called carcinogenesis.

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    A known human carcinogen means there is sufficient evidence of a cause and effect relationship between exposure to the material and cancer in humans. Such determination requires evidence from epidemiologic (demographic and statistical), clinical, and/or tissue/cell studies involving humans who were exposed to the substance in question. Obviously, it is unethical to deliberately test potential carcinogens on humans, so "proving" something (in the rigorous scientific sense) to be a carcinogen in humans is a difficult, demanding and lengthy task!

    Substances that are reasonably anticipated to be human carcinogens meet any of the following descriptions:

    1. There is limited evidence of carcinogenicity from studies in humans. A cause and effect interpretation is credible, but that alternative explanations such as chance, bias, other variables etc. can not be ruled out. Again, science can never prove a hypothesis, only disprove one. Scientific "facts" are established only when a preponderence of the evidence supports a hypothesis and there is 1) no evidence to disprove it and 2) no equally viable (plausible) alternative hypotheses (theories).

    2. There is sufficient evidence of carcinogenicity from studies in experimental animals (such as mice or rats), which indicates there is an increased incidence of malignant and/or a combination of malignant and benign tumors (1) in multiple species or at multiple tissue sites, or (2) by multiple routes of exposure, or (3) to an unusual degree with regard to incidence, site, or type of tumor, or age at onset.

    3. There is less than sufficient evidence of carcinogenicity in humans or laboratory animals; however, the substance is structurally related to other materials that are either human carcinogens or reasonably anticipated to be human carcinogens.

    4. There is convincing relevant information that the material acts through mechanisms that are likely to cause cancer in humans.

    A wide variety of information is required to assess carcinogenicity and risks to humans. For example, a substance may cause cancer in laboratory animals, but the mechanism by which this occurs may not occur in humans.

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    Carcinogen list

    I am not sure how useful this will be but these are some of the accepted carcinogens - unfortunately it does not list what substances they are found in or conditions.

    Comprehensive listings below.
    http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/roc/toc11.html

    http://www.state.nj.us/health/eoh/odisweb/ca_hsfs.htm

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    some surprising ones there!!.

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    Everything causes cancer. Certain things concern me, my aunt has breast cancer and I would not like to get that. But I'm still going to live my life. Sure, I can avoid certain things that may cause cancer but I'm not going to live my life worrying whether or not this computer monitor I'm using is going to give me cancer.

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    Quote Shisha Fiend
    Deodorants can cause breast cancer (which men can get too!). They have aluminium in them, which blocks the pores and stops the sweat from getting out. Unfortunately this means toxins back up into the breast tissue, which has a carcinogenic effect. I don't think having natural deodorant prevents this happening, unless it works some other way than using aluminium. Check the ingredients, if aluminium or any aluminium compound is listed, that's how it works.

    A bit freaky, but hey. As my brother says, everything causes cancer these days. Personally I still use deodorant, reassuringly mine (despite containing aluminium) allows me to sweat a little (not enough to leave patches!) and masks the odour, so maybe it's not that bad for me. Even so, I really can't be bothered to walk around sweating and stinking. What's the point in not having cancer if no one will come near you?

    xxx
    there's plenty of "natural" deodorants that don't contain aluminium. the only ones that i've seen that do are the anti-perspirants. and that makes sense according to what you've said. the anti-perspirants stop sweating altogether, while deodorants simply cover up the smell. i use unscented Tom's of Maine and it works well for me.

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    I read in Susun Weed's breast cancer book that wearing a bra increases the chances of breast cancer. Something about lymph ? not getting to drain. After having an itching problem I stopped wearing a bra in August. The problem went away about 98 percent. I wear an undershirt instead.

    I've also heard that heating food in plastic containers in the microwave allows organochlorides to leach into food.

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    See? I knew there was a reason I didn't like wearing bras.
    It's vegan, which means it's vegetarian which means there's nothing unheathy in it. -- my guy trying to explain vegan junkfood.

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    I think everybody has cancer. A nurse friend of mine went back to nursing after 20 years (when her husband pushed off and left her to raise the kids alone). Anyway, she went into the post mortem area as she did previously. She was quite shocked at the change, and told me that regardless of what a person died of now, just about everyone had cancer.
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    Default Desperate for any articals on Veganism & Cancer Help

    Recently things have been pretty heavy emotionaly for me as I have a very close member of my family suffering with a cancer problem.

    The Cancer was found in their bladder about 4 years ago and was treated with simple laser work, it was not a cancer that is impossible to irradicate but it had to be monitored on a regular basis.
    Since this they have had to have to small laser treatment for very small micro dots that needed removing.

    The person in question is in very good personal health, but has lived on a crap diet. They recently went back to hospital because of some inflamation in an area of the bladder the Drs sorted this but the specialist has since said they need to see him again as they need to treat the bladder in different method because they can not keep doing laser treatment.

    At the Bristol Vegan Fayre the Bristol Cancer Help Center were their to promote the benifits of veganism and how it can prevent and in some cases clear up cancers.

    The person in my family that has this has drunk soya milk for many years now since I told them about the use of Posimatt Step 2 in british cows milk.

    I have almost convinced them the benifit of a vegan diet and i think I may want to try it.

    I have many articals and information from Bristol Cancer Help Center but if any one has any articals on the benifit of veganism and figting cancer please no matter how small I will be so glad of anything. Please remember I am leaving this info with a never before vegan and they are more up for reading than disscussing it openly yet. I can guide them on nice foods and cooking vegan thats no problem.

    Its just articals and proof I need to show them than this will help them.

    Thank you all for any help you may be able to give.

    Just for the record we have found out that this cancer has come about because the person in question used to drive a huge truck in quarry which has large rubber tyres of course when they climbed in and out of this they were always touching the rubber and then going to loo without first washing hands.

    Their is a strong link between rubber oils used in tyre and bladder cancers, many people working for the Avon Rubber Plant in Melksham, Wiltshire have been diognosed with bladder cancers people as young as 30 !!!!

    My advice is if you are working on your car or mountain bike with tyres or oils wear those protective latext gloves.

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    Yes, I have heard about latex allergies and have met up with some nurses who are allergic to latex gloves.

    As a matter of interest has your relative taken cranberry juice, as it is brilliant to ward off bacteria in the bladder as it stops the bacteria sticking to the wall of the bladder. It may help him.
    Have you tried Dr Hadwyn Trust for info,?. The Humane Research Trust has a leaflet about cancer and other medical problems. tel,0161 439 8041.Then there is the 'Seriously ill against vivisection, www.siav.org hope this helps.

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    sorry to hear of your relatives health problem - im sure lots of us will try for information for you - watch this space.

    p.s. tomatoes are excellent for gents prostrate area, the lycopene in them is supposed to be really good.

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    check out these two sites snaff, might be something useful:

    www.nutrition.org.uk
    (in search, type in diet and cancer prevention)

    www.vernoncoleman.com
    (click on health, there are loads of topics here)

    good luck, will post any more i find

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    Snaffler

    I have a friend who was given 6 months to live 3 years ago, she was suffering with breast cancer.

    She has written a book which I have a copy of if you would like me to send it to you. I am sure she wouldn't mind answering any questions as I know she goes around Essex giving talks. She became Vegan to fight the cancer, amongst taking various supplements, buying only organic and having various holistic treatments.

    She also went to the Bristol Centre and had treatment there.

    Aurora xx

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    Quote cedarblue
    tomatoes are excellent for gents prostrate area
    Avocados are good for that, too.
    It's vegan, which means it's vegetarian which means there's nothing unheathy in it. -- my guy trying to explain vegan junkfood.

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    If I had any kind of cancer, or suspected that I may develop it, I would make sure to keep myself as thoroughly dosed up as possible with cannabinoids, found uniquely in the flowers of the cannabis plant, which are potent anti-carcinogens, active against many forms of cancer. Unlike conventional chemotherapeutic agents, cannabinoids are non-toxic and do not damage healthy tissue. They are currently being used by Manuel Guzman in Complutense University, Madrid, to treat brain and skin cancers. See the cannabis thread:

    http://veganforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2233

    I find it amazing that a plant which produces seeds containing the perfect balance of proteins and omega fatty acids for human health, also produces in its flowers, such beneficial, non-toxic medicine with many therapeutic effects.

    Here's a link to a PDF of 'Cannabinoids:Potential Anticancer Agents' by Manuel Guzman.

    http://www.kubby.com/Guzman-Cancer-nrc1188.pdf.

    Also, since sometimes the language used in scientific papers can be hard to follow, here's a link to a very useful medical dictionary:

    http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/omd/

    Comes in handy for any medical or scientific term you don't understand!

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    Interesting article, thanks Kokopelli. Will be a real boon when they find the biochemical pathway that leads to the antitumor activity. The psychoactive element seems to be avoidable while still giving palliative relief which was something I was curious about. It seems possible to give pain relief, inhibit tumors, increase appetite without the burden of the psychoactive effects or toxic side effects. There is also suggestion of preventing the crossing of the blood-brain barrier, which removes the problem altogether.
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    Since that paper was published, Manuel Guzman has reported successfully using THC for treating human patients with malignant glioma, one of the most malignant cancers, for which there has not been a cure, only palliative treatments. I believe he has succeeded in reducing the size of the tumours, but this was barely reported on BBC News. He has also been using cannabinoids for skin cancer. If I had cancer, I'd definitely get in touch with him.

    I've got a lot more studies, I'll post them on the cannabis thread eventually.

    Medicinal users of cannabis tend to develop tolerance to the psychoactive effects of THC in time anyway.

    I think those effects can often be exaggerated by cultural expectations, as well. If you read Victorian accounts of hashish experimentation, they are usually very lurid, with detailed hallucinatory stories, but it seems like modern people don't have those effects at all. And it's well known that Queen Victoria was prescribed cannabis for period pains, but apparently she remained sane!

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    Did you notice the part which says:

    "Cannabinoids are usually well tolerated in animal studies and do not produce the generalised toxic side-effects of conventional chemotherapeutic agents. For example, in a 2-year administration of high oral doses of THC to rats and mice, no marked histopathological alterations to the brain or other organs were found. Moreover, THC treatment tended to increase survival and lower incidence of primary tumours."

    And it's the anti-cancer medicine anyone could grow for themselves, if it wasn't illegal

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    Here's a link to the website of David Hadorn, M.D., Ph.D.

    http://davidhadorn.com/cannabis/cancer.htm

    He has conveniently created a compendium of studies of cannabis and cancer, amongst other things.

    He classifies the studies into:

    Studies Showing An Anti-Cancer Effect
    Inconclusive Studies
    Studies Showing a Pro-Cancer Effect

    and concludes:

    'after reviewing these abstracts, I believe that the preponderance of clinically relevant and methodologically sound evidence supports an anti-cancer effect of cannabinoids.'

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    If you read “Prof Jane Plant” “You are what you eat,” she says” if you are a diabetic the hospital will refer you to the dietician and they will give you a diet sheet, its same with a heart attach victim .But if you ask in oncology for a diet sheet to help you against cancer they will look at you as if you have asked for some thing so strange??????
    I had to read and go on line and do my own research to sort out my diet!
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    From http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3149062.stm

    Red meat 'cancer threat'

    Eating red meat introduces a potentially dangerous molecule into the body tissues, according to researchers.

    Scientists from the University of California in San Diego believe it could cause heart disease and cancer by triggering a harmful immune response.

    Humans cannot produce the molecule - a type of sugar - but it occurs at high levels in lamb, pork and beef.

    The research is published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

    Human volunteers

    Several studies have associated red meat diets with cancer and heart disease.

    But these have focused on saturated fats and chemicals produced during the cooking process.

    The new research focuses on a sugar called N-glycolylneuraminic acid (Neu5Gc).
    There is a little more on the link between eating meat, too much B12 and cancer here. There is also a known link between too low B12 intake and some cancer types.
    I will not eat anything that walks, swims, flies, runs, skips, hops or crawls.

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    Study released today shows that meateaters eating more than 160g per day (bit more than half the average steak) increases the risk of bowel cancer by 35%.

    There is further evidence that low carb diets increase the risk of such cancers as they limit fibre intake.

    So that's what killed Aitkins!

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    Interesting adam A, but there is so much misleading information around. My youngest son died of cancer of the colon in 1991, at age 38, and at the time, his cancer specialist told him, and me, that it is 'familial', though I knew of nobody on either side of the family with it. Later I read an article, and showed the specialist, where it said that stress can cause colon cancer, and my poor son was certainly under heaps of stress. Then it was said to come from diet, such as mentioned in that bbc article. As vegans we ought not to be blase and think that we can't get it, or any other unpleasant stuff.

    I feel pretty sure that many elements in the environment are not doing much good to our bodies, so we just live the best way we can.
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    So sorry Eve about your loss .

    My uncle died of bowel cancer and he ate so much meat in a day, mostly red and with fat as well. Interestingly his wife had breast cancer as well a few years before him. I am sure it was diet related as they drank dairy milk a lot too.

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    Thank you tails, however, I'm sure we all know of people, often family members, who consumed meat and dairy all their lives, yet lived to a ripe old age. Moreover, we know of people who took great care to eat and exercise properly, yet died early. We really can't rule out our genes.
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    I've given up trying to work these things out.
    My great aunt seemed to do nothing but smoke and drink tea all day, but lived until 90, but her son died at 34 from his cigarette intake.

    I see so many grieiving people looking for answers, and while it's a good idea to live healthily, many of the people I work with either at the hospital or at the mortuary, still smoke and skydive and everything, because they are constantly reminded that although that 'you might get hit by a bus tomorrow' is a lame statement when used as an excuse, it really might happen.

    Although, I believe if I die young I don't want it to be my fault, for my husband and child to know I could have prevented leaving them. I need it to be the unquestionable hand of fate that carries me away, not cholesterol intake and tobacco.

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    Yes, very sorry to hear that Eve.

    Bowel cancer is the 6th in a series of genetic mutations, caused by oxidants like the free radical O3- (a single oxygen atom with one less electron than usual). However any one of us could have been born with (for example) the fourth stage of mutation already expressed, and not know about it. The fifth mutation results in the formation of polyps, and I had a girlfriend 5 years ago who had had polyps removed in her early twenties.

    I am very keen to see the original report, to see if the number of people who developed cancer is statistically significant, in which case the cattle and pork industries are on the verge of lawsuits for endangering human health.

    I'd really love it if the study was funded by the beef industry!

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    I get polyps removed each year; in fact I just had it done this week, most unpleasant.
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    For the full journal article you can find the pdf here.

    Just follow the links in the menu at the right of the screen.
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    Cool, so it's saying that poultry intake had no effect overall on the meateaters where as fish consumption had an inversley proportional effect on the risk of bowel cancer. I wonder if they used vegos in their control group?

    It's funny this study came out when it did because for the last couple of weeks I had been trying to find stats on bowel cancer increases over the last 40 years in australia to see if these can be correlated with the increase on factory farmed chooks but if chooks aren't relevant...neither is my idea!

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    Micronutrient deficiences also cause cancer. Ames mentions the bare minimum 5 servings of fruits and vegetables per day but 10-55 is probably much more protective:

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    Mutat Res. 2001 Apr 18;475(1-2):7-20.

    DNA damage from micronutrient deficiencies is likely to be a major cause of cancer.

    Ames BN.

    University of California, 94720-3202, Berkeley, CA, USA. bnames@uclink4.berkeley.edu

    A deficiency of any of the micronutrients: folic acid, Vitamin B12, Vitamin B6, niacin, Vitamin C, Vitamin E, iron, or zinc, mimics radiation in damaging DNA by causing single- and double-strand breaks, oxidative lesions, or both. For example, the percentage of the US population that has a low intake (<50% of the RDA) for each of these eight micronutrients ranges from 2 to >20%. A level of folate deficiency causing chromosome breaks was present in approximately 10% of the US population, and in a much higher percentage of the poor. Folate deficiency causes extensive incorporation of uracil into human DNA (4 million/cell), leading to chromosomal breaks. This mechanism is the likely cause of the increased colon cancer risk associated with low folate intake. Some evidence, and mechanistic considerations, suggest that Vitamin B12 (14% US elderly) and B6 (10% of US) deficiencies also cause high uracil and chromosome breaks. Micronutrient deficiency may explain, in good part, why the quarter of the population that eats the fewest fruits and vegetables (five portions a day is advised) has about double the cancer rate for most types of cancer when compared to the quarter with the highest intake. For example, 80% of American children and adolescents and 68% of adults do not eat five portions a day. Common micronutrient deficiencies are likely to damage DNA by the same mechanism as radiation and many chemicals, appear to be orders of magnitude more important, and should be compared for perspective. Remedying micronutrient deficiencies should lead to a major improvement in health and an increase in longevity at low cost.

    Publication Types:

    * Review
    * Review, Tutorial


    PMID: 11295149 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


    2: Ann N Y Acad Sci. 1999;889:87-106.

    Micronutrient deficiencies. A major cause of DNA damage.

    Ames BN.

    University of California, Berkeley 94720-3202, USA. bnames@uclink4.berkeley.edu

    Deficiencies of the vitamins B12, B6, C, E, folate, or niacin, or of iron or zinc mimic radiation in damaging DNA by causing single- and double-strand breaks, oxidative lesions, or both. The percentage of the population of the United States that has a low intake (< 50% of the RDA) for each of these eight micronutrients ranges from 2% to 20+ percent. A level of folate deficiency causing chromosome breaks occurred in approximately 10% of the population of the United States, and in a much higher percentage of the poor. Folate deficiency causes extensive incorporation of uracil into human DNA (4 million/cell), leading to chromosomal breaks. This mechanism is the likely cause of the increased colon cancer risk associated with low folate intake. Some evidence, and mechanistic considerations, suggest that vitamin B12 and B6 deficiencies also cause high uracil and chromosome breaks. Micronutrient deficiency may explain, in good part, why the quarter of the population that eats the fewest fruits and vegetables (five portions a day is advised) has about double the cancer rate for most types of cancer when compared to the quarter with the highest intake. Eighty percent of American children and adolescents and 68% of adults do not eat five portions a day. Common micronutrient deficiencies are likely to damage DNA by the same mechanism as radiation and many chemicals, appear to be orders of magnitude more important, and should be compared for perspective. Remedying micronutrient deficiencies is likely to lead to a major improvement in health and an increase in longevity at low cost.

    Publication Types:

    * Review
    * Review, Tutorial


    PMID: 10668486 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


    3: Toxicol Lett. 1998 Dec 28;102-103:5-18.

    Micronutrients prevent cancer and delay aging.

    Ames BN.

    University of California, Berkeley 94720-3202, USA. bnames@uclink4.berkeley.edu

    Approximately 40 micronutrients are required in the human diet. Deficiency of vitamins B12, folic acid, B6, niacin, C, or E, or iron, or zinc, appears to mimic radiation in damaging DNA by causing single- and double-strand breaks, oxidative lesions, or both. The percentage of the US population that has a low intake (< 50% of the RDA) for each of these eight micronutrients ranges from 2% to > or = 20%; half of the population may be deficient in at least one of these micronutrients. Folate deficiency occurs in approximately 10% of the US population, and in a much higher percentage of the poor. Folate deficiency causes extensive incorporation of uracil into human DNA (4 million/cell), leading to chromosomal breaks. This mechanism is the likely cause of the increased cancer risk, and perhaps the cognitive defects associated with low folate intake. Some evidence, and mechanistic considerations, suggest that vitamin B12 and B6 deficiencies also cause high uracil and chromosome breaks. Micronutrient deficiency may explain, in good part, why the quarter of the population that eats the fewest fruits and vegetables (five portions a day is advised) has approximately double the cancer rate for most types of cancer when compared to the quarter with the highest intake. Eighty percent of American children and adolescents and 68% of adults do not eat five portions a day. Common micronutrient deficiencies are likely to damage DNA by the same mechanism as radiation and many chemicals, appear to be orders of magnitude more important, and should be compared for perspective. Remedying micronutrient deficiencies is likely to lead to a major improvement in health and an increase in longevity at low cost. Aging appears to be due, in good part, to the oxidants produced by mitochondria as by-products of normal metabolism. In old rats mitochondrial membrane potential, cardiolipin levels, respiratory control ratio, and overall cellular O2 consumption are lower than in young rats, and the level of oxidants (per unit O2) is higher. The level of mutagenic aldehydes from lipid peroxidation is also increased. Ambulatory activity declines markedly in old rats. Feeding old rats the normal mitochondrial metabolites acetyl carnitine and lipoic acid for a few weeks, restores mitochondrial function, lowers oxidants to the level of a young rat, and increases ambulatory activity. Thus, these two metabolites can be considered necessary for health in old age and are therefore conditional micronutrients. This restoration suggests a plausible mechanism: with age-increased oxidative damage to proteins and lipid membranes causes a deformation of structure of key enzymes, with a consequent lessening of affinity (Km) for the enzyme substrate; an increased level of the substrate restores the velocity of the reaction, and thus restores function.

    Publication Types:

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    PMID: 10022226 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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    Do you act on all that information you've copied from Medline? There are many variations on why some people die of cancer, and some don't. Vegans tend to think it's from meat, but the point is that most people eat meat, so naturally when we check out all the people with cancer, they are bound to be mostly meat-eaters. And really, how can anyone eat 10-55 servings of fruit and vegies a day? 10 yes, but 55?
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    Quote Roxy
    My brother recently told me that talcum powder can cause cancer. Does anyone have any factual evidence that could help back this up?

    Roxy.

    Sorry to hark this back, but I recently cut open out an ovarian tumour (at work, no, I'm not a psycho) and it turned out to have a talc substance in the middle.

    Regarding how many people have cancerous tissue, it is more common than thought, but the 1 in 3 deaths is still accurate, as cancer works in tandem with your age. The younger you are, the effective your cells, the better the blood supply to the cancer, the faster it spreads. It goes through kids like wildfire, but this is where the stress element comes into play. Kids cope well, they don't have the fears we do and often just get on with getting better, instead of fretting their immune system away.

    Many old people have cancer, but it's so slow, it doesn't kill them. Old ladies everywhere have suspicous moles, and I once in my previous job as a nurse dealt with an old man who had a tumour on his face. It was due to be removed, but before it could, he had a fall and took it clean off on the back step of his house. He was fine after that, it hadn't spead at all, and required no further treatment. A young, healthy person would have had far more of a battle.


    Cancer in general to me is nature's way of saying our modern life is rubbish. There are contaminents and carcinogens everywhere, then we drink milk and make these over-producing reactionary cells accelerate.

    Nomadic deer herders in Siberia don't get ill, let alone cancer.
    The list of natural peoples who evade cancer is huge.

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    Sometimes I think there's no relation between cancer and food one eats... It's such a complicated disease that it's hard to know the reasons... There are people who have VERY unhealthy lifestyles, and still they don't become ill. I tend to think it depends on a person and on the amount of radiation s/he gets... So scary, these days it seems that cancer is everywhere

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    Cancer is related to everything a person does, people you see living very unhealthy lifestyles will develop it, it takes time to take hold. The thing is some things that seem unhealthy actually do have benefits and counteract each other and so on. Cancer occurs in the body simply because the body has made it possible for the cancer to sustain itself and prosper, my view is every disease is the same in origin. Everyone is susceptable to cancer you may have heard somewhere that everyone has cancer but it is inactive, this is correct in a way. It is a very complicated process, I'll try to make it simple.

    Our diets and lifestyles are very much to blame low nutritious foods and protein chelate the bodies nutrients. The nutrients are needed to counteract the acid build up in the body from digesting protein and carbs acidic foods. Calcium, chromium and other nutrients we need for healthy cells are used to dispose of acids that we cannot break down protein digestion creates Strong acids which will not break down from the bile our liver creates, bile of the healthy liver will however regualate weak acids, citric acid carbonic hydrochloric and so on neutralising them.

    But if we have no nutrents to extract the strong acids with, we extract the nutrients from things the body is using them for like extract calcium from the bones this will cause other diseases like osteo disorders and such (as you can see everything is linked) but then as soon as the source our body has is depleted, by now we have some disease through the deficiency. The acid will start to build up and build up because it can't possibly be excreted in it's entirety every time. The environment cancer is found in is the most acidic part of the body the diseased areas in the body that are the weakest will mutate become malignant as to try and survive their environment, this now is cancer. Radiation therapy kills you aswell as the cancer it only helps if the cancer is not strong enough to survive the radiation, luckily for cancer, it requires not much help to grow unlike a healthy cell which requires so many things malignant cells require energy only they have their acids to get the rest they need they need no oxygen like the rest of our cells, an un oxygenated area of the body is very prone to cancer.

    What cancer seems to be to me is our bodies ability to adapt working against us, these cells are superior to our own in survival which is what makes cancer hard to rid. This is why it will always be best to catch early. Every disease can be cured they all have the same causes, problem is westernised medicine doesnt treat the cause.


    Best way to avoid cancer is to excercise and eat nutritional food, excercise helps to excrete acids, you guys I'm sure have tasted your sweat its acidic, acid helps your skin function also topically this is why sweat is good for your skin, why people use sauna's. Anyone with a disease or deficiency these are the warning signs and people should take note. It's sad that western medicine is so fearful of alternative medicine, they really should be though, they have no answers themself and it's becoming very apparent. Alternative medicine is the only way currently to cure degenerative diseases, coupled with a massive change in diet and lifestyle.

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    Default New meta-analysis supports milk’s role in ovarian cancer

    New meta-analysis supports milk’s role in ovarian cancer

    A new meta-analysis investigated the association between milk consumption
    and risk of ovarian cancer. Conducted by researchers at Sweden’s Karolinska
    Institute, the new study found that the strongest evidence of the
    milk-cancer association came from 3 prospective studies. Every 13 grams of
    lactose (the amount in one glass of milk) ingested on a daily basis
    increased ovarian cancer risk by 13 percent. Case-control studies are a
    weaker line of evidence and produced conflicting results. Prior
    investigators have suggested that lactose, the dairy sugar, may have a toxic
    effect on ovarian tissues in women who are unable to rapidly metabolize it.

    Larsson SC, Orsini N, Wolk A. Milk, milk products, and lactose intake and
    ovarian cancer risk: A meta-analysis of epidemiological studies. Int J
    Cancer; Published online August 5, 2005. Available via Wiley InterScience at
    http://www.interscience.wiley.com/journal/ijc.
    For information about nutrition and health, please visit www.pcrm.org.

    Breaking Medical News is a service of the Physicians Committee for
    Responsible Medicine, 5100 Wisconsin Avenue, Suite 400, Washington, DC
    20016.

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    That link is broken rujoon

    try this

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