Are you implying that the monkey only makes you a sandwich to get you to put out?
Are you implying that the monkey only makes you a sandwich to get you to put out?
I ask of you, who amongst us isn't part simian?
Who amongst us hasn't had at least one simian placed hair?
Who amongst us isn't the monkey making sandwiches for friends?
I ask you, would you take that sandwich if you offered it to you?
What is a monkey to you, might be a brother to me. What is a father to you, might be a monkey to me? Why draw these arbitrary divisions if not to alienate us from who we are?
I ask you, again, would you take that sandwich if you offered it to you?
I ask you, again, would you take that sandwich if you offered it to you?
Simian brethern, and less simian brethern; Will you take this sandwich?
context is everything
@ xrodolfox
Monkey sandwich? DO NOT WANT!
It's easier dealing with soup bearing mutants believe me.
Getting back to the point a bit, I just wanted to comment on this statement. I don't think that it's necessarily that we assume the animal didn't want us to have it, it's just that the animal did not produce it for us to have. (For some reason this was important to me, hopefully it is for someone else too!).. BTW this thread is great, and so is Steve the Vegan
- The Duck
Let's do something about it!
[quote=love,lee;418651]what's a troll ? :S
I think you'd better ask Russ!
I like Sandra, she keeps making me giggle. Daft little lady - Frosty
I think the forum guidelines say something about it ... you'd be better off asking CORN ...
Maybe you're not ... but the title at first glance appeared to be a throwback to the "bad percival! no!" vegan fly trap thread ...
It's been a while since you first asked this question but...
1) a monkey will never make you a sandwich so the question is just lame and argumentative.
2) Go Vegan cold tofu. Just cut the crap and in three weeks or so you will loose the taste for cheese and other dairy products. If you are only giving up milk and eggs, then you are not letting you body/taste buds get used to not having them. You will still crave other dairy products. The body is amazing and I read (in "Breaking the Food Seduction") that your taste buds change very 30 days (or so).
I suggest three very great books;
"Vegan Freak"
"Breaking the Food Seduction"
"Becoming Vegan"
Good Luck!
Wait! Stop! Don't eat that sandwich, it's a trick! Now I remember where I recognize that monkey from.
Maybe he's just kindly pointing out the sandwich while severely constipated .. ?
I hope he washed his hands ...
Please, everyone, don't forget to tip the monkey...
dear monkey
here is a tip ... don't make sandwiches with chicken secretions aka eggs.
What if the monkey voluntarily made it with her own MONKEY EGGS?
love,lee I was in the same situation as you!
I gave up meat at about 5 and I'm now 15.
I went vegan 7 months ago.
And I found it easiest to just go cold turkey BUT I made sure I had hundreds of recipes and enough vegan food to eat beforehand.
I found it fairly easy and I didn't get too many cravings.
It's probably different for every person, so you could try either way.
Good luck!!
xxx
i find vegan related hypotheticals insulting...
the aim of life is to live, and to live means to be aware, joyously, dunkenly, serenely, divinely aware.
-henry miller
I find people who find vegan hypotheticals insulting insulting.
^ignore that.
I think I agree...I think...()
But it would be even better if the monkey made you a vegan banana split!
Hi all,
I just moved the posts about stealing eggs from chicken over to the everlasting Vegans and Eggs thread.
K.
Haha, i had a problem with a thread years ago that asked if you were on a desert island would you eat meat, just annoyed me because it aint going to happen so why waste time debating it.
No offence to OP though, just dont care if the monkey made a sandwich or not, but if in the unlikely chance that a monkey did want to make me a sandwich he would have to be a mate of mine who wanted to help me out in the kitchen because he thought he should do something around the house instead of scratching, eating bananas and grooming all day.
i would eat a sandwich from a monkey if they made if for me. I love monkeys.
MONKIES!
The more I think about it, I think I'd decline the sandwich, hoping the monkey would make me a Ferrari instead.
I know what you mean. They almost always involve being stuck on a desert island and having to make uncomfortable decisions regarding killing animals and such. Maybe a good approach would be to flip the situation on them and ask, "I'll answer your question if you answer mine first. If you had to kill your daughter or your son, whom would you?" When they get all mad and protest the question is in "poor taste", one could then state that to a vegan killing an animal is similar to killing a person so their question is in "poor taste"!
I couldn´t agree more with you on this, Mahk. Brilliantly phrased!
"Do what you can with what you have where you are."
- Theodore Roosevelt
I shall have one of your sandwiches reds, at least there wont be any furry bits in the marg.
So I was just joking around with my omni room mated about this thread and one of them asked if the monkey was wild or captive......
mmmmmmm...cupcakes
If the Monkey was happy to make the sandwich there is no way I'd wish to offend him, so yes, I would eat it.
If I lived with a rescue monkey (lets call him Keith) who begged me (in his own little rescue monkey way) to teach him the art of sandwich making I would happily oblige. If Keith then decided, using his newly acquired skills, to make a sandwich for me I would naturally eat it because my little monkey friend wished it so. Then we could sit together in the park eating Keith's sandwiches together.
Go Vegan, stay Human
Oo Oo I want a Keith sandwich! I'll gladly pay him for it!
- The Duck
Let's do something about it!
My brother is filthy. I'd never eat a sandwich he made me. Never!
context is everything
Here's an actual non-hypothetical version of the question:
Would you buy this tea?
Me? No.
Nooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Me niether. Same reason I don't go to any circuses...
Here's another real world example. If a monkey made you an "ape-stract" painting would you keep it?
Cheeta, who is over seventy years old and starred in the original Tarzan movies, makes these at an animal sanctuary for retired apes. Jane Goodall owns one and I think it would be OK for a vegan to have one too.
Cheeta paints for fun, not by force, so I think it's OK. [unless anyone here in our forum talks me out of it] I'm against using animals in movies/TV etc but this is a shelter that takes the retired ones instead of the other disposal method: research labs.
More here.
That is so wonderful! I would keep it, but I would give something in return. However, if they didn't offer it to me, and they seemed keen on having it around to look at, then I wouldn't.
I tried to find a video of how Cheeta paints but only found this:
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There are also elephants that paint but they are clearly being held captive and not vegan friendly so I won't link.
edit:[OK, I changed my mind two posts later.]
yes, my strange sense of obligation would leave me no choice but to eat the sandwich. Plus, monkeys are so cute, how could I refuse?
about five years ago, I considered adding eggs back in to my diet, you know, for baking. I was at a really cool co-op that didn't carry meat but did carry eggs and cheese. there was an informative sign on the fridge that listed about twenty "free-range" companies whose eggs were sold at that co-op. Oh, man, so gross. it was a comparative list of what the chickens had had done to them. You know, claws removed, beaks removed, etc. There was only ONE company/farm on the list that provided free-range eggs from hens with their beaks still on. Geez, I really had no idea. Anyway, that threw me off my egg-idea and put me back on course and I still can't do eggs. Maybe the hens on a small farm are treated differently than those that go to market, but I just don't know.
I agree, ask your farmer friend all the pertinent questions then make the choice you are most comfortable with.
Here is a video of an elephant drawing a self portrait:
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edit: [Hmm, my link worked a moment ago but now says " Hobble" If it still is not working when you read this go to Youtube.com and search for "elephant self portrait" and you should see several identical videos of 8min, 29 sec] or try this:
http://www.youtube.com/results?sourc...=1&sa=N&tab=w1
[Don't read the following unless you've watched the video to its completion]: I'd like to think that the whole thing is real but the romantic gesture of holding a flower is just a little too much over the top for me. I think what we are actually seeing here is a smart elephant that has been taught to replicate a drawing it was once shown ("an elephant never forgets"). If anyone has evidence that elephants are known to hold or exchange flowers in the wild, please speak up! Sorry, I don't mean to be so pessimistic but I still think this is quite amazing on its own. How could anyone ever kill a being able to do this? What do you all think? Does the elephant really know it has drawn an elephant holding a flower? Could be, but I'm not so sure.
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