Scientific proof as to the benefits of eating vegan?

[Korn]

The 2003 version of the American Dietetic Association statement about vegetarian and vegan food:

"It is the position of the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada that appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Citation

[Kevster]

Nice looking little site:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/vegetarian_and_vegan/

[eve]

There are two major health topics that Dr Dean speaks, writes, and teaches on the dangers of sugar and pharmaceutical drugs! In the early 1990s Dr Dean came under heavy fire in Canada from both the sugar industry and the medical community for exposing sugar's connection to many health problems. Dr Dean was also recently commissioned to compile a report on the dangers of medicine by the Nutrition Institute of America. The report she put together, Death By Medicine, first published by health guru Gary Null, may quite possibly be one of the harshest condemnations of modern medicine and pharmaceutical science you'll ever come across.

Dr Dean, who resides in New York, has built a tremendous reputation because of her abilities to help many chronically ill patients using natural methods. She is a true pioneer in natural health and we have the utmost respect for her work. Dr Dean sits on the boards of the Children's Movement for Creative Expression and the Canadian College of Naturopathic Medicine. She is a regular guest on the radio show Hickey Chemists Radio Hour (www.hickeychemists.com) and occasionally appears on the popular morning TV show, The View. Dr Dean is also a consultant and writer for Natural Health Magazine. She has published many books including: Natural Prescriptions for Common Ailments, Homeopathic Remedies for Children's Common Ailments, Menopause Naturally, The Miracle of Magnesium, Everything Alzheimer's and is currently working on Hormone Balance, and Mercury Madness. She has just written a chapter in Nancy Appleton's soon-to-be-released book, Inflammation. Dr. Dean also consults for various organizations including: www.curesnaturally.com, www.yeastconnection.com, www.brcleanse.com, www.friendsoffreedom.org.

The above is an extract from this week's Crusador Alert.

[eve]

At home I came across a 4-page document by Pamela Teisler entitled "101 Reasons Why I'm a Vegetarian". It was published by the VivaVegie Society, PO Box 294 New York, NY 10012 (25cents and a self-addressed envelope). Although it was published in 1992, and uses the word 'vegetarian' and not 'vegan', those 101 reasons apply, and are simply wonderful. I just wish everyone in the universe could read it!

It has references from John Robbins "Diet for a New America", "Beyond Beef" by Jeremy Rifkin, and others.

Just noticed their website http://www.vivavegie.org/

[Cal]

Thanks for starting this thread, Korn. I needed something positive after the thread you recently closed!

[Korn]

usatoday.com:

Vegetarian diet on solid ground, experts say


An excerpt:

Barnard adds that Americans suffer from having too much to eat, not too little. The typical American eats too much fat, cholesterol and animal protein, which contributes to high rates of obesity, heart disease, cancer, osteoporosis and kidney disease.

"Vegetarians have a 40% less risk of cancer and much less risk of heart disease, diabetes, hypertension, kidney disease and other problems that are common among meat eaters," Barnard says. "Vegetarians also live several years longer and enjoy better health."

Meanwhile, Barnard says, "Americans are surprisingly undernourished when it comes to the protective nutrients that are in vegetables, fruits, whole grains and beans."

So swapping meat for vegetables is OK. But what about dairy products and eggs?

"Dairy is 'liquid meat,'" McDougall says. "Compare the macronutrients of cheese and beef — they are the same. Both contain similar amounts of cholesterol, fat and animal protein, and both are deficient in fiber, vitamin C and carbohydrates."

[FR]

"Dairy is 'liquid meat,'" McDougall says. "Compare the macronutrients of cheese and beef — they are the same. Both contain similar amounts of cholesterol, fat and animal protein, and both are deficient in fiber, vitamin C and carbohydrates."

I like that explanation.

[nastypoodle]

Thanks for the links guys. I'll pass these on to my boy - he's currently arming himself with information before coming out as a vegan to his mum. He's anaphylactic (sp?) so she worries about her baby. A lot. Luckily she's on the other side of the world!

[Korn]

From the largest single study of Western vegetarians and vegans to date:

'EPIC-Oxford is the largest single study of Western vegetarians and vegans to date, and presents a unique opportunity to study the long-term health of people who do not eat meat. Results from the study suggest that vegetarians and vegans follow diets that generally correspond well with guidelines for healthy eating and confer some benefits in terms of avoiding overweight/obesity and high blood pressure. Whether these benefits will translate into lower mortality and morbidity compared with the ‘health conscious’ non-vegetarians in the study remains to be seen.'

More here

[Korn]

From http://www.vegetarian.org.uk/vhfk01.html
The most recent research comes from the American Dietetic Association and has the full backing of the American Academy of Paediatrics. It says that well-planned vegan diets can provide all the nutrients infants and children need, produces normal growth and may also reduce the risk of some chronic diseases which show in later life. Their final point - and it’s an important one - was that because vegan children eat a wider variety of whole plant foods, it may help to establish healthy, lifelong eating habits.

[eve]

I had an email from Will Tuttle, author of The World Peace Diet - which is a wonderful book for anyone who cares about animals (human and non-human), and about their health and the health of the planet.

He has two Holiday Specials now available now through his website. The specials involve a copy of the book plus some CDs of his original piano music at BIG discount.

Here are the two specials:
With Holiday Special #1, you get The World Peace Diet plus FOUR CDs (The Call, OceanPrayer, SkyHigh, and Living in Harmony With All Life) for only $45, plus $2 shipping/handling. This is a savings of $28.

With Holiday Special #2, you get The World Peace Diet plus SEVEN CDs (The Call, OceanPrayer, SkyHigh, Living in Harmony With All Life, AnimalSongs, the Islands Of Light enhanced CD, and the Four Viharas Meditation on love, compassion, joy, and peace), PLUS a set of Madeleine's eight ArtCards for only $85, plus only $2 shipping/handling. This is a savings of $57. These Specials end December 5, 2005.

I can tell you that the book is great. I bought the 4 Viharas meditation - it's wonderful, as is his Ocean Prayer piano music.

Holiday Specials: http://willtuttle.com/holidayspecial.htm
The World Peace Diet: http://willtuttle.com/WPD.htm
Original piano music CDs: http://willtuttle.com/will.htm

Or call toll free order line, 1.800.697.6614, or by mailing payment before 11/23 to: Karuna Music & Art, 1083 Vine St., #105, Healdsburg, CA 95448.

[Korn]

korn, your first link isnt working.

Oh - they must have moved it. Here's another, working link with the same text:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Citation

[Mystic_Skies]

From

American Heart Association - http://www.americanheart.org/present...dentifier=4777

"Are vegetarian diets healthful?
Most vegetarian diets are low in animal products. They’re also usually lower than nonvegetarian diets in total fat, saturated fat and cholesterol. Many studies have shown that vegetarians seem to have a lower risk of obesity, coronary heart disease (which causes heart attack), high blood pressure, diabetes mellitus and some forms of cancer. "


They use the word vegetarian but say low in animal products so that can apply to vegan as well.

[Pilaf]

From

American Heart Association - http://www.americanheart.org/present...dentifier=4777

"Are vegetarian diets healthful?
Most vegetarian diets are low in animal products. They’re also usually lower than nonvegetarian diets in total fat, saturated fat and cholesterol. Many studies have shown that vegetarians seem to have a lower risk of obesity, coronary heart disease (which causes heart attack), high blood pressure, diabetes mellitus and some forms of cancer. "


They use the word vegetarian but say low in animal products so that can apply to vegan as well.

I'd say there's a strong possibility.

Actually..I read in some vegan literature I own somewhere the reason for that..some vegan nutritionists realize that by telling people they need to go vegan, they'd be discouraged so they recomment "Reducing" or "lowering" the intake of animal products, though complete elimination would be best. They're under a lot of pressure not to appear "radical" and all that. I can sorta see where they're coming from. It does seem radical to some people so it's best for them to be careful with their wording I suppose.

[catmogg]

I have a friend who is thinking of going vegan but he keeps saying a vegan diet is not as healthy as a meat based one. I've argued with him but I'd really like to be able to present him with a concise, well evidenced argument by someone with authority on the subject. (Which I'll probably email him.) If people post info on here, i'll pass it on. I'd really appreciate it.

Btw, this isnt a lost cause, he's quite committed to the idea. I think he just wants all the information...

[Stu]

One word: cholestorol.

If you're not clogging up your arteries with cholestorol, the chances of heart attacks and other heart complications are massively reduced. If you want some more 'concrete' info and evidence etc on this, let me know, and I'll see if I can point you to some sources.

[Pilaf]

Give him the best gift of his life. Go to Amazon.com and type The China Study in books. Order this for him and tell him to read it.

[kriz]

I'm sure you'll be able to find some useful info. from www.pcrm.org or anything written by Dr. Dean Ornish, Dr. Michael Greger, Dr. Neal Barnard, and Dr. John McDoughall.

[tipsy]

its the way you eat it.

there are unhealthy vegans, and unhealthy omnis.

a proper vegan diet does not lack in anything.

the needed things for survival are :

carbs,
protiens,
fats,
vitimins,
& minerals
& other trace essential ingredients (such as amino acids ...ect)

these things can be found in many different (vegan or omni things).

if hes worried about his health, he should eat better.

if hes worried about himself, the animals, and the earth, he should eat well and be a vegan.

[ph63228]

a well balanced vegan diet contains everything you need, protein, natural fats, you name it if were ment to eat it its in the vegan diet.

[harpy]

Do you need to persuade him that a vegan diet is healthier, or just that it's as healthy? The latter would probably be easier.

Stephen Walsh's "Plant-Based Nutrition and Health" is quite a good source of health data (backed up with a bibliography of peer-reviewed studies in mainstream scientific journals) but the epidemiological data it contains suggest, I think, that vegans aren't any healthier than those who eat a small amount of meat. He does argue that they'd be healthier with some adjustments to the "typical" vegan diet IIRC.

[catmogg]

more help, articles needed, please....

CC????

[grail]

My mom went dietary vegan for a week and she lost 10 pounds and her blood pressure dropped from 170/x to 130/x. I'm so pumped for her - she was on Atkins and although she supported my veg*ism, she felt she couldn't do it because of her blood sugar. I'm so happy that she's seeing that it can be good for her.

THe key is in selecting whole gains.

[KarmaGirl]

PCRM has good reading on the Vegan diet: http://www.pcrm.org/health/veginfo/v...ian_foods.html

It describes the positive effect that the vegan diet has on heart disease, diabetes, gall stones, etc.

[Korn]

There's actually a lot of articles documenting effects of eating meat and dairy products - and also a number of studies comparing vegans with others. I think we'll see more and more of these since more and more people go vegan.

Here's a one I just came across:
Study Finds Vegan Diet Reverses Diabetes Symptoms

[Smoothie]

i agree with pilaf. "the china study" is really good, and the guy who's written it, can back up all of his claims.

[Soul Rebel]

Have your friend read The China Study, Diet for a New America and The Food Revolution.

[E.F.]

Anything written by John Robbins, particularly The Food Revolution, will destroy every shred of doubt your friend had.

[nonegiven]

In response to a question in the topic about Veganism and mental health, I thought I would dig out some serious scientific studies including veganism.

May be there is some place or way to get the originals and upload them to the forum/site?

Health effects of vegetarian and vegan diets

Key TJ, Appleby PN, Rosell MS. Proceedings of the Nutrition Society. 2006; 65(1):35-41.

Vegetarian diets do not contain meat, poultry or fish; vegan diets further exclude dairy products and eggs. Vegetarian and vegan diets can vary widely, but the empirical evidence largely relates to the nutritional content and health effects of the average diet of well-educated vegetarians living in Western countries, together with some information on vegetarians in non-Western countries.

In general, vegetarian diets provide relatively large amounts of cereals, pulses, nuts, fruits and vegetables. In terms of nutrients, vegetarian diets are usually rich in carbohydrates, n-6 fatty acids, dietary fibre, carotenoids, folic acid, vitamin C, vitamin E and Mg, and relatively low in protein, saturated fat, long-chain n-3 fatty acids, retinol, vitamin B(12) and Zn; vegans may have particularly low intakes of vitamin B(12) and low intakes of Ca. Cross-sectional studies of vegetarians and vegans have shown that on average they have a relatively low BMI and a low plasma cholesterol concentration; recent studies have also shown higher plasma homocysteine concentrations than in non-vegetarians.

Cohort studies of vegetarians have shown a moderate reduction in mortality from IHD but little difference in other major causes of death or all-cause mortality in comparison with health-conscious non-vegetarians from the same population. Studies of cancer have not shown clear differences in cancer rates between vegetarians and non-vegetarians. More data are needed, particularly on the health of vegans and on the possible impacts on health of low intakes of long-chain n-3 fatty acids and vitamin B(12). Overall, the data suggest that the health of Western vegetarians is good and similar to that of comparable non-vegetarians

[nonegiven]

Fracture risk in vegetarians and nonvegetarians

Appleby P, Roddam A, Allen N, Key T. Comparative fracture risk in vegetarians and nonvegetarians in EPIC-Oxford. Eur J Clin Nutr. 2007; 61(12):1400-1406.

Objective: To compare fracture rates in four diet groups (meat eaters, fish eaters, vegetarians and vegans) in the Oxford cohort of the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition (EPIC-Oxford).

Design: Prospective cohort study of self-reported fracture risk at follow-up.

Setting: The United Kingdom.

Subjects: A total of 7947 men and 26 749 women aged 20-89 years, including 19 249 meat eaters, 4901 fish eaters, 9420 vegetarians and 1126 vegans, recruited by postal methods and through general practice surgeries.

Methods: Cox regression.

Results: Over an average of 5.2 years of follow-up, 343 men and 1555 women reported one or more fractures. Compared with meat eaters, fracture incidence rate ratios in men and women combined adjusted for sex, age and non-dietary factors were 1.01 (95% CI 0.88-1.17) for fish eaters, 1.00 (0.89-1.13) for vegetarians and 1.30 (1.02-1.66) for vegans. After further adjustment for dietary energy and calcium intake the incidence rate ratio among vegans compared with meat eaters was 1.15 (0.89-1.49). Among subjects consuming at least 525 mg/day calcium the corresponding incidence rate ratios were 1.05 (0.90-1.21) for fish eaters, 1.02 (0.90-1.15) for vegetarians and 1.00 (0.69-1.44) for vegans.

Conclusions: In this population, fracture risk was similar for meat eaters, fish eaters and vegetarians. The higher fracture risk in the vegans appeared to be a consequence of their considerably lower mean calcium intake. An adequate calcium intake is essential for bone health, irrespective of dietary preferences.

Sponsorship:The EPIC-Oxford study is supported by The Medical Research Council and Cancer Research UK. European Journal of Clinical Nutrition advance online publication, 7 February 2007; doi:10.1038/sj.ejcn.1602659

[nonegiven]

Weight gain by diet group

Rosell M, Appleby P, Spencer E, Key T. Weight gain over 5 years in 21 966 meat-eating, fish-eating, vegetarian, and vegan men and women in EPIC-Oxford. Int J Obes (Lond). 2006; 30(9):1389-1396.

Background: Cross-sectional studies have shown that vegetarians and vegans are leaner than omnivores. Longitudinal data on weight gain in these groups are sparse.

Objective: We investigated changes in weight and body mass index (BMI) over a 5-year period in meat-eating, fish-eating, vegetarian, and vegan men and women in the UK.

Design: Self-reported anthropometric, dietary and lifestyle data were collected at baseline in 1994-1999 and at follow-up in 2000-2003; the median duration of follow-up was 5.3 years.

Subjects: A total of 21 966 men and women participating in Oxford arm of the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition aged 20-69 years at baseline.

Results: The mean annual weight gain was 389 (SD 884) g in men and 398 (SD 892) g in women. The differences between meat-eaters, fish-eaters, vegetarians and vegans in age-adjusted mean BMI at follow-up were similar to those seen at baseline. Multivariable-adjusted mean weight gain was somewhat smaller in vegans (284 g in men and 303 g in women, P<0.05 for both sexes) and fish-eaters (338 g, women only, P<0.001) compared with meat-eaters. Men and women who changed their diet in one or several steps in the direction meat-eater --> fish-eater —> vegetarian —> vegan showed the smallest mean annual weight gain of 242 (95% CI 133-351) and 301 (95% CI 238-365) g, respectively.

Conclusion: During 5 years follow-up, the mean annual weight gain in a health-conscious cohort in the UK was approximately 400 g. Small differences in weight gain were observed between meat-eaters, fish-eaters, vegetarians and vegans. Lowest weight gain was seen among those who, during follow-up, had changed to a diet containing fewer animal food.International Journal of Obesity (2006) 30, 1389-1396. doi:10.1038/sj.ijo.0803305; published online 14 March 2006

[nonegiven]

n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids by diet group

Rosell MS, Lloyd-Wright Z, Appleby PN, Sanders TA, Allen NE, Key TJ. Long-chain n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids in plasma in British meat-eating, vegetarian, and vegan men. Am J Clin Nutr. 2005; 82(2):327-334.
BACKGROUND: Plasma concentrations of long-chain n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids are lower in vegetarians and in vegans than in omnivores. No data are available on whether these concentrations differ between long- and short-term vegetarians and vegans.

OBJECTIVES: We compared plasma fatty acid composition in meat-eaters, vegetarians, and vegans and examined whether the proportions of eicosapentaenoic acid (20:5n-3; EPA), docosapentaenoic acid (22:5n-3; DPA), and docosahexaenoic acid (22:6n-3; DHA) were related to the subjects’ duration of adherence to their diets or to the proportions of plasma linoleic acid (18:2n-6; LA) and alpha-linolenic acid (18:3n-3; ALA).

DESIGN: The present cross-sectional study included 196 meat-eating, 231 vegetarian, and 232 vegan men in the United Kingdom. Information on anthropometry, diet, and smoking habits was obtained through a questionnaire. Total fatty acid composition in plasma was measured.

RESULTS: The proportions of plasma EPA and DHA were lower in the vegetarians and in the vegans than in the meat-eaters, whereas only small differences were seen for DPA. Plasma EPA, DPA, and DHA proportions were not significantly associated with the duration of time since the subjects became vegetarian or vegan, which ranged from <1 y to >20 y. In the vegetarians and the vegans, plasma DHA was inversely correlated with plasma LA.

CONCLUSIONS: The proportions of plasma long-chain n-3 fatty acids were not significantly affected by the duration of adherence to a vegetarian or vegan diet. This finding suggests that when animal foods are wholly excluded from the diet, the endogenous production of EPA and DHA results in low but stable plasma concentrations of these fatty acids

[nonegiven]

Key TJ, Fraser GE, Thorogood M, Appleby PN, Beral V, Reeves G, Burr ML, Chang-Claude J, Frentzel-Beyme R, Kuzma JW, Mann J, McPherson K.

Mortality in vegetarians and nonvegetarians: detailed findings from a collaborative analysis of 5 prospective studies. Am J Clin Nutr. 1999 Sep;70(3 Suppl):516S-524S.

"There were no statistically significant differences (SS) between the vegans and the regular meat-eaters for any cause of death.

The overall mortality rate, or death rate for "all causes," was 1.00 (after adjusting for age, gender, study group, and smoking status). That means the death rate for the vegans did not differ at all from the regular meat-eaters."

Disease Vegan Deaths
Heart disease 17
Stroke 4
Lung cancer 2
Stomach cancer 2
Colorectal cancer 1
Breast cancer 0
Prostate cancer 0
Other causes 42
Total 68

[herbwormwood]

Copyright on scientific papers is usually held by the person who wrote the paper and the journal which published it, so I doubt it would be legal to publish whole studies on vegan forum.
If you were interested, you could obtain copies of the papers by writing to the corresponding author, and summarise the findings here.

[nonegiven]

Or anyone at a University could access them via JSTOR or similar.

I am sure that abstract and conclusion if fully accredited would be acceptable to the copyright holders (400 words etc).

[herbwormwood]

Probably. If the Kornator is ok with it.

[Korn]

http://www.wisegeek.com/has-it-been-...healthier.htm:
Has it been Proven that a Vegetarian Diet is Really Healthier?

[Connor]

I was discussing with my boyfriend the other day what would happen if we lived together (he's an omnivore), as his idea of cooking is driving to McDonalds, ordering take away or making mi goreng, so I would want to do all the cooking.
His reason for not being a vegan at the moment is that he is too lazy to cook vegan food (even though eating a piece of fruit is easier than driving to McDonalds for a snack), and when I said I would do the cooking, he said that he doesn't think a vegan lifestyle is all that healthy. So, if anyone out there has links or names of scientific studies, or websites (preferably with a .gov .edu or .org ending), it would be greatly appreciated if you could post them here. Because I've looked and so far only managed to find one or two, which rant on about B12, calcium, protein, etc deficiencies in vegan and basically say the only benefits is a lowered risk of heart disease, and being skinnier.

[Korn]

Hi,
It's going to be hard to find studies generally comparing living on a plant based diet with living on a standard diet, because most studies are about specific topics, not general topics.

This statement is often quoted (see below). It's from American Dietetic Association ("the world's largest organization of food and nutrition professionals"), and generally based on independent studies from reliable sources:

It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes. A vegetarian diet is defined as one that does not include meat (including fowl) or seafood, or products containing those foods. This article reviews the current data related to key nutrients for vegetarians including protein, n-3 fatty acids, iron, zinc, iodine, calcium, and vitamins D and B-12. A vegetarian diet can meet current recommendations for all of these nutrients. In some cases, supplements or fortified foods can provide useful amounts of important nutrients. An evidence-based review showed that vegetarian diets can be nutritionally adequate in pregnancy and result in positive maternal and infant health outcomes. The results of an evidence-based review showed that a vegetarian diet is associated with a lower risk of death from ischemic heart disease. Vegetarians also appear to have lower low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels, lower blood pressure, and lower rates of hypertension and type 2 diabetes than nonvegetarians. Furthermore, vegetarians tend to have a lower body mass index and lower overall cancer rates. Features of a vegetarian diet that may reduce risk of chronic disease include lower intakes of saturated fat and cholesterol and higher intakes of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, nuts, soy products, fiber, and phytochemicals. The variability of dietary practices among vegetarians makes individual assessment of dietary adequacy essential. In addition to assessing dietary adequacy, food and nutrition professionals can also play key roles in educating vegetarians about sources of specific nutrients, food purchase and preparation, and dietary modifications to meet their needs.

There's a broad range of studies documenting all kinds of unwanted side effects of consumption of animal products. Here, for example, is a collection of independet studies showing the link between the 20-30 most common cancer types and intake of various animal products:
20-30 types of cancer and animal products (eggs, fish, milk, meat)

[Andy_T]

Well, google for the "China Study".

It's the largest study on the link between nutrition and health undertaken so far (> 10 years, 6500 participants), and the basic findings of it was that those who follow a plant based diet do typically not fall prey to the "diseases of affluence" like cardiovascular disease, cancer, diabets etc.

Those of the participants (the study was done in rural china) who changed their "traditional" plant-based diet for a western-style animal-product-centered diet also had the same amount of occurrence of these diseases (like we have in "industrialized" countries)

Best regards,
Andy

PS: Of course, if your idea of a vegan diet is French fries, vegan pizza and pasta, cupcakes and buckets of sprite, then the health bonus will not be the same. In fact, you can live a very unhealthy life as a vegan, not just as an omni.

[Jaitee]

andy_T the china study doesnt actually say what people think it does ill link you to an article that broke it down and proved that he jumped to many many wrong conclusions

http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/the...act-or-fallac/

in short he ignores some evidence because it contradicts him and he only used caesin in his studies yet claims it proves all animal protein is bad....that would be like me saying that i say a guy eat nightshade and die therefore all plants are bad
its been a while since i read that whole article but i think it also showed that either campbells own study or someoneone elses study actually resulted in the monkeys or rats he gave large amounts of caesin too living longer

[vito27]

i knew it, i knew it, I KNEW IT!!!!!
i shake my fist in the air!!!

[Andy_T]

andy_T the china study doesnt actually say what people think it does ill link you to an article that broke it down and proved that he jumped to many many wrong conclusions

http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/the...act-or-fallac/

in short he ignores some evidence because it contradicts him and he only used caesin in his studies yet claims it proves all animal protein is bad....that would be like me saying that i say a guy eat nightshade and die therefore all plants are bad
its been a while since i read that whole article but i think it also showed that either campbells own study or someoneone elses study actually resulted in the monkeys or rats he gave large amounts of caesin too living longer

Hello Jaitee,

thank you for your reply!

However, please observe that the article by Denise Minger you link to might claim to "prove" some things, but calling it so does not make it a proof.
There are other replies to the claims in the article, and even a rather detailed response by T. Colin Campbell himself:
http://www.vegsource.com/news/2010/0...se-minger.html
http://www.tcolincampbell.org/filead...ercritique.pdf

I tend to rather believe an international team of university professors who undertook a 10-year-study and published the results in peer-reviewed medical publications than a 23-year old student who analyzes some raw statistical data without the proper knowledge how to do it and then publishes her results on her facebook page. But of course you are free to disagree here.

Best regards,
Andy