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    ^^^

    ...my favourite H&B product as well.

    Turning to an item still in the H&B freezer cabinet, I used to enjoy the Tivall schnitzels when I was a veggie but 20 years after Tivall promised me that they were working on replacing battery eggs with free range, they still appear to be using battery eggs. Well I suppose it is the "promised" land, nu?


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    ISTR that the manufacturers of Quorn were meant to be working on an egg-free version yonks ago, as well. Not that I would regard Quorn as a great loss, really.

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    But the Vegetarian Choice ones are virtually (if not exactly) the same, just 15-20p more expensive

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    ISTR that the manufacturers of Quorn were meant to be working on an egg-free version yonks ago, as well. Not that I would regard Quorn as a great loss, really.
    About a year before we went vegan MrDerious realised that Quorn gave him stomach cramps, so no loss for us.

    Have you noticed how much Quorn
    Is trying to distance itself from being a vegetarian product and sell itself as a low fat product. Who are they kidding?
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    Is trying to distance itself from being a vegetarian product and sell itself as a low fat product. Who are they kidding?
    It's a smart marketing move, the health market is much bigger than the vegetarian market and veg*ns are savvy enough not to need ads.

    They must have been spinning the yarn about trying to go egg free for about a decade now, load of bollocks.
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    H&B are now selling dry roasted chickpea snacks, they're really good and pretty healthy too: http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/pag...rbanzo&rdcnt=1

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    the BEST one is the cherry and coconut one. i could eat it for the rest of my life.
    Me to. Its just soooo good.

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    If anyone is after Fry's products, H&B have 20% off most of them at the moment.

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    Do they indeed? Was in H&B at lunchtime and didn't notice that. I did notice a mysterious "buy one get one half price" discount on my receipt though perhaps the offers aren't that well advertised in our branch. Will have to go back for another try as those sorts of things come in handy over "the holiday period"!

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    I'll be going in tomorrow for mollasses so I'll see what other stuff I should buy (although my freezer is full).


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    I'm surprised H&B are doing 20% off Fry's food after the massive tantrum that Beanies threw a while back.
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    I'm surprised H&B are doing 20% off Fry's food after the massive tantrum that Beanies threw a while back.
    Hi Risker
    This is the message from Beanies that you posted in May (#391).

    Yes, I’m afraid that FRY’S have been de-listed by Holland & Barrett! There are rumours flying around that we tried to increase our prices by 20% - this is incorrect - we recently tried to implement a 4% price increase (only the 2nd price increase in 10 years) as our storage, transport and import costs have gone through the roof. However H&B want us to freeze our prices and we cannot afford to do this. Holland & Barrett were already taking FRY’S at a discounted price from us AND adding another 3% on top of our RRP (recommended retail price). They required a minimum 50% profit margin – they also required us to partake in all their in store promotions – buy one get one free, buy on get one half price – who do you think paid for that? WE DID! Holland & Barrett never drop their profit margin, so every promotion sets us back £5000 and we had already partaken in two this year. We were paying them to stock FRY’S. We’re a small family business and we are determined to keep distributing the FRY’S range during these difficult economic times, but we won’t be able to do so if we supply H&B at a loss to ourselves (and a profit to them!). This is a carefully considered business decision that wasn’t taken lightly – we realise that there will be a loss of distribution, but we cannot allow big businesses to tell us how to run our company or we won’t be trading at all!

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    20% off. At this rate they'll be halfway to almost affordable soon.

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    Hi Risker
    This is the message from Beanies that you posted in May (#391).
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    When they reached an agreement I would imagine/hope it included arrangements for future special offers that will be acceptable to both parties.

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    What's your point?
    You mentioned the "massive tantrum that Beanies threw a while back" and I thought that people might be interested in what Beanies were saying at that time. Many UK forumers will shop at H&B but not usually be aware of the stuff that may be going on in the background between that shop and its suppliers.

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    ^ Fair enough.
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    I managed to pick up a cheezly selection pack in my local outlet store of H&B today - It's got pieces of "red cheddar", "blue cheezly", and "cranberry style" cheezly - looks yummy and a nice vegan treat for Christmas

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    I managed to pick up a cheezly selection pack in my local outlet store of H&B today - It's got pieces of "red cheddar", "blue cheezly", and "cranberry style" cheezly - looks yummy and a nice vegan treat for Christmas
    That sounds nice. We only have a small H& B near us, they often run out of stuff do I order monthly from goodness direct now. They even send chilled and frozen food by courier, amazing

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    ^ Couldn't you ask H&B to save stuff for you or order it in? I try to avoid GD myself, don't like giving money to the Jesus Army.
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    Hi Risker
    This is the message from Beanies that you posted in May (#391).

    Yes, I’m afraid that FRY’S have been de-listed by Holland & Barrett! There are rumours flying around that we tried to increase our prices by 20% - this is incorrect - we recently tried to implement a 4% price increase (only the 2nd price increase in 10 years) as our storage, transport and import costs have gone through the roof. However H&B want us to freeze our prices and we cannot afford to do this. Holland & Barrett were already taking FRY’S at a discounted price from us AND adding another 3% on top of our RRP (recommended retail price). They required a minimum 50% profit margin – they also required us to partake in all their in store promotions – buy one get one free, buy on get one half price – who do you think paid for that? WE DID! Holland & Barrett never drop their profit margin, so every promotion sets us back £5000 and we had already partaken in two this year. We were paying them to stock FRY’S. We’re a small family business and we are determined to keep distributing the FRY’S range during these difficult economic times, but we won’t be able to do so if we supply H&B at a loss to ourselves (and a profit to them!). This is a carefully considered business decision that wasn’t taken lightly – we realise that there will be a loss of distribution, but we cannot allow big businesses to tell us how to run our company or we won’t be trading at all!

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    Many thanks for posting the above Leedsveg, very interesting to learn how things work.

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    Hi Wildman

    It's really thanks to Risker who posted this message from Beanies in May. He's very good at getting vegan lists and other useful info from companies.

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    Well worth looking out for Riskers posts an all then!

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    ^ perhaps a percentage of.

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    ^ Couldn't you ask H&B to save stuff for you or order it in? I try to avoid GD myself, don't like giving money to the Jesus Army.
    why do you call them that????

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    ^ Because that's their name, it wasn't a derogatory statement, that's what they call themselves.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Army

    They run Goodness Direct
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    ^i didn't know that. but they sell all the good brands that I know of and they're handy so I don't see a reason not to use them (?)

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    Well, although the wikipedia page doesn't reflect it, they are a cult. You have to give up all your possessions and share all your earnings when you join (and that's just one of the things they do). There's lots of info out there on the web that their cronies can't doctor, do a quick google search and you'll find out.

    To be honest I avoid giving money to all religiously affiliated organisations including charities but that's just me and that's a discussion for a different thread.
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    but they sell all the same brands as holland and barrett e.g. redwood, fry's,etc etc..... and they're more convenients as i don't have to drive to the next town - they offer free delivery. i can't see a problem personally. i am not religious but eat to their own......

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    ^ I'm not trying to convince you, just explaining why I don't like buying from them myself. I buy most of my shopping from Tesco's that sells meat so each to their own really.
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    i just googled them and i found:

    "GoodnessDirect do not stock any product that has knowingly been genetically modified. They offer a comprehensive range of organic fruit and vegetables and avoid air freight. They do not list any product containing aspartame.

    In addition to all of these DO NOT's they try to make a comprehensive selection of foods and household products for those wanting to live an organic, vegan, vegetarian and eco-friendly lifestyle."

    I cannot find anything about what you mentioned.

    I cannot see a problem with them and their customer service is excellent.

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    I'm not making it up...

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q="goodness+direct"+"jesus+army"

    (Please excuse the link, didn't mean it to be patronising but wanted it to show up properly)
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    I haven't fact checked this but...

    Being on a fairly restricted diet, for years I've been using the specialist online retailer Goodness Direct. After a while, I noticed this statement on their site.

    Back in the 70's a group of Christian friends decided to get together, make flapjack, pack up wholefoods from bulk along with some other healthy goodies, and there began the beginning of Goodness. [...]

    Throughout all of these years we maintained our basic Christian ethics. We began life as a group of friends, all taking the same wages, and we continue life as a group of friends all earning the same wages. Yes that's right, all of us from managers to fork lift drivers to packers, we all earn the same wage. Radical isn't it? So radical that the BBC decided to do a programme on us for Working Lunch.

    Being committed Christians (see our church's website) means more than just our Sunday faith - to us it is a way of life and it spills out into our company ethics, our dealings with each other, with our suppliers and with you, our customers. It spills out into the products we sell and why we sell them. It means we deal fairly and squarely with everyone.


    The website link wasn't there at the time, just some waffle about a Christian charity, but I was vaguely concerned so I rang up and asked if they did any missionary-type work. They told me firmly that they did not. (They lied.) Yesterday I had cause to check that page on their website again, and this time I followed the link to the Jesus Army. Despite their coy suggestion that they are only loosely affiliated with it, they are in fact a part of the Jesus Army, and it's terrifying stuff.

    Look at their manifesto, for starters. They practice exorcism of demonic spirits. They believe that women should submit to men, and should have long hair and dress differently from men. They have strong opinions on whom members may and may not marry. They hang onto members' children for dear life.

    This was sounding suspiciously cult-like to me, so I ran a Google search. What came up was beyond alarming. As I'd suspected from their manifesto, women aren't allowed to wear trousers or make-up and must be submissive to men, with stories of extremely restricted behaviour. They have an insane focus on celibacy, to the point where even married couples have to sleep in separate beds. They don't just go evangelising, they target extremely vulnerable people, the homeless, drug addicts and mentally ill, and from what I've gathered it's a "convert if you want any help to survive" deal. People who have visited report that they were followed so closely that they weren't even permitted to go to the toilet alone, and that there was enormous pressure to conform, with one journalist being heavily penalised for slipping away from an all-day prayer session to telephone her mother. Everything is communal, including finances, so it doesn't appear that workers are really paid. Well, some sources say that they'll receive their pay if and when they leave the compound, though others say that they're only paid for a few hours a week and forced to do "voluntary" work the rest of the time. There have been sexual child abuse scandals, and ex-members report the beating of children, although it is unclear whether this is still occurring. And oddly, a rather high number of their members have been murdered, though I have absolutely no idea what's going on there.

    I am completely horrified to learn where some of my money has been going all these years. If you shop there or know anyone else who does, please pass this on. I'm not telling you where to shop, that's your decision, but I'm urging you to read up on this for yourselves.
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    anyone else care to comment?

    I have found them a very good and "green" company selling good vegan products and very convenient for my liking. My google search failed to find anything that Risker stated.

    I am open to contradiciton.......

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    anyone else care to comment?

    I have found them a very good and "green" company selling good vegan products and very convenient for my liking. My google search failed to find anything that Risker stated.

    I am open to contradiciton.......
    What exactly is it that you couldn't find out? That Goodness Direct are owned and run by the Jesus Army or that the Jesus Army is a cult with some very shady practices?
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    I don't think there is any doubt about the connection between the Jesus Army and Goodness Direct - they acknowledge it themselves http://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/cgi-.../aboutus.shtml - which has a link through to a site about the Jesus Army.

    Personally I find that slightly offputting in itself but others may not. I'm not sure about the other allegations Risker mentions as I haven't fact-checked them either. (Just glanced at their manifesto and am not mad about the section on "male leadership" :-/)

    I did use to buy stuff from them but I haven't very recently as there is more choice now.

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    I feel that most shops have some downside -Tesco sells animal products, Asda does (and I think they still have some of their cosmetics tested on animals), Goodness direct is run by the Jesus Army and sells animal products. Its difficult to find a shop that you are completely happy with (except possibly Veganstore, Alternative stores, VX), it just depends on where you are prepared to compromise. Personally I shop in Tesco & Co-op, Vegan store/Alternative stores. If I want a lot of Vegan food or unusual food I try to order from NaturalGrocery instead of GD so I only give them my custom rarely (maybe once every 2 years)

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    Its difficult to find a shop that you are completely happy with (except possibly Veganstore, Alternative stores, VX), it just depends on where you are prepared to compromise.
    Very true, Firestorm. Even my organic veg chap is starting to sell non-vegan stuff, and he put a free half-dozen eggs in my box a few months ago :/

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    H&B seem to be becoming the DFS of health food stores. It's almost like their sales never end!
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    If I want a lot of Vegan food or unusual food I try to order from NaturalGrocery instead of GD so I only give them my custom rarely (maybe once every 2 years)
    Just looked at this website, think i`ll give them a try.

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    3 for 2 on Trek bars at the moment! Yesss.

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    I just stumbled across Trek bars for the first time the other day. I have stocked up for a mid-morning snack with a cup of tea at work. I even got someone in the office to buy some after sharing a bar.

    H&B have a buy one get one for a penny deal on at the moment too : )

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    I just stumbled across Trek bars for the first time the other day. I have stocked up for a mid-morning snack with a cup of tea at work. I even got someone in the office to buy some after sharing a bar.

    H&B have a buy one get one for a penny deal on at the moment too : )
    They normally work out cheaper if you buy them direct from the company that makes them (free postage as well): http://www.naturalbalancefoods.co.uk/

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    They normally work out cheaper if you buy them direct from the company that makes them (free postage as well): http://www.naturalbalancefoods.co.uk/
    Not if they are still 3 for 2 - that makes them £1 a bar, cheaper than buying direct!

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    You're not just a pretty face : p

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    Not if they are still 3 for 2 - that makes them £1 a bar, cheaper than buying direct!

    Thats why I said normally

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    Evening,

    Frequent lurker, sporadic poster here, but I keep getting updates to this thread so I thought I'd post slightly off-topic anyway in case this is an issue any of my fellow vegans also care about.

    I'm now boycotting H&B since they're taking on Workfare staff (as well as a huge number of other high street names, though Waterstones have stopped after boycotts and protests).

    In case you weren't aware, Workfare is a scheme concocted by the DSS to provide unpaid staff to companies where people on JSA are forced to work unpaid for 40+ hours a week under the auspices of gaining work experience, or face having their benefits removed, with the false promise of a possible job at the end of it.

    As a result, this has caused paid H&B staff to accept cuts in their hours or face becoming unemployed themselves, not to mention the wider social and ethical implications of these sort of actions.

    Apologies for the slight derailment of the discussion here, but I thought it was something that might be of concern to some of you.

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    Thats why I said normally
    Ah sorry, I see what you mean now! Buying direct is much easier too, and you don't have to look like a crazy person buying dozens of the bars in-branch

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    Hi Chris, yes I read about that last week and it's an awful situation. I don't use Holland and Barrett much as i prefer the independent health food shop nearby. This will definitely stop me going there.

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