PETA ads

[claudiar]

I would like some feedback on all the P.E.T.A adds and the sexist ones at that as I've been told. I don't find them too offensive as the women have the choice and in most cases would be paid for their work. I am not a true liberated woman as I have a Husband who supports me. But I do feel very liberated just the same. What do people think?

[Loss]

I really, really hate that sexist crap. For me, they're a good enough reason for disliking PETA.
Because people are going to take you seriously if you prance around with just a leaf of lettuce covering your tits, right? Disgusting.

[phact0rri]

and next up PETA convinces McDonald's to reduce the size of mcnuggets in a happy meal. Take that meat companies!

[claudiar]

Do they do any good at all then? I would like to think that they do, for the animals that is.

[phact0rri]

From time to time there's a little good that PETA does. They do canvasing for vegan outreach with Peta2, and they do demonstrations in front of fastfood resturants. But when was the last time you really heard about these sorts of things? Its mainly cause PETA instead concentrates not on the positive things they do, but on thier "easy win welfarist agenda". I suppose I get a little fed up with hearing about thier wins that really don't help the animals very much. Or ads that are very insensitive or very descriminating.

Of course I myself hate the idea that showing pictures and videos of mutilated animals as a good tactic for outreach.

My belief is that the supporters of PETA and welfarists in general are good people with good hearts. They honestly believe that comprimising little by little is the best way to go about abolition. I just don't share that same mind-- and on occation (like the 'save the whales' campaign) really does piss me off.

That "go vegan drink beer' thing was ridiculous too.

[wendy]

peta does really great stuff and lots of people went vegan because of them. So did I.
I have no problem with naked man or woman to draw in attention an raise awareness.
And I cerntainly don't agree with everything they do. But no organisation is. We all work for the same thing: abolition and we should support each other!

[Korn]

we should support each other

Actually I don't even think this is about supporting 'each other'.

It's about choosing which organizations one potentially feel like supporting, and since many vegans disagree in Peta's ways of doing things, why should they support them - as opposed to supporting (or starting) other organizations? I'm afraid I can't think of one single reason to support Peta instead of organizations/activities I agree more with...

We all work for the same thing

I'm not sure sure if this is true, Peta is focusing on promoting vegetarianism, and the way 'vegetarian' is used in many countries, vegetarianism includes eggs, dairy etc in the diet.

I don't work for 'the same thing' as Peta, and even if I would be doing that, I definitely wouldn't do it the way Peta does (in many cases).

Unfortunately Peta seems to suffer from the fact that they are more known for their methods than their message - at least among 'most people'.

[Steph]

Peta does so much more than promoting vegetarianism, they are involved in ending animal testing, ending using animals for entertainment, ending animal exploitation period, stoping human uses and abuses of animals, And yes, they change minds about egg and dairy, I am living proof of their influence, I am vegan because of PETA..because of peta, I found this site

[claudiar]

this is all helping me, so keep up with the great comments, so far I guess p.e.t.a. ain't so bad

[Korn]

Peta does so much more than promoting vegetarianism, they are involved in ending animal testing, ending using animals for entertainment, ending animal exploitation period, stoping human uses and abuses of animals, And yes, they change minds about egg and dairy, I am living proof of their influence, I am vegan because of PETA..because of peta, I found this site

Sure - but nobody suggests that PETA should be replaced by... nothing.

That 'something' that could exist instead of PETA would/should be at least as capable of converting people to go vegan as PETA has been/is.

[Buddha Belly]

Yay! They have done it again. Well done to Peta you have brought animal rights that much further down into the gutter. Promotion of acceptable deaths.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...e-1824925.html

[glovesforfoxes]

Yay! They have done it again. Well done to Peta you have brought animal rights that much further down into the gutter. Promotion of acceptable deaths.

That makes me angry. I am writing an email to them to say I am outright against PETA as a result of encouraging animals to be killed for meat.

[glovesforfoxes]

My email:

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...e-1824925.html

Keep up the good work PETA - you sure are for the ethical treatment of animals if you're supporting killing them! Honestly - I don't understand how you can justify this without resorting to the same sort of pure utilitarian arguments which vivisectionists use.

I am now outright against PETA as a result of learning about their adverts which objectify women, this news article, & general ineffectiveness & lost sight of what you set out to do. New welfarism doesn't work to gain animal rights. Your PR tactics make your entire company look like extremists, idiots, sexists, hypocrites, or any combination of the 4 above.

I apologise to whoever reads & recieves this email initially, but try to ensure it reaches the people above you, at least.

Thanks for your time, & goodbye

Michael

PETA's response:

Dear Michael,

Thank you for inquiring about PETA US’s involvement with the Child & Family Resources, Inc., (CFR) fundraising event. We appreciate the opportunity to clear up any confusion about this unfortunate incident.

First, please let us assure you that PETA believes, as our motto says, that animals are not ours to eat—period. Slaughtering animals for food is never acceptable.

However, we recognize that change will not happen overnight, and while we’re working toward a vegan world, we’re also committed to doing whatever it takes to make life better for the animals who are suffering right now. If animals are going to be killed, we want to eliminate as much of their suffering as possible.

Animal rights advocates fought hard to convince CFR to hold a fundraiser that didn’t involve offering live lobsters for sale to be boiled alive and eaten. When event organizers refused to hold an alternative event, PETA US insisted that if CFR was determined to kill lobsters, it should at least use the Crustastun, a machine designed to kill them quickly via electric shock rather than slowly in a pot of boiling water. CFR agreed, and PETA US helped make the arrangements. Unfortunately, despite numerous efforts to ensure the arrival of the Crustastun, PETA US were extremely upset to learn that a series of UPS errors caused the machine not to make it in time for it to be used at the fundraiser.

To be clear, no PETA US staff members killed lobsters during the event—with the Crustastun or otherwise—as has been reported (all such reports have since been corrected). All the lobsters were supposed to be killed using the Crustastun by the machine’s inventors or by the charity’s staff members. Since CFR insisted on killing lobsters this year, we hoped to at least spare these animals from a horrible death. It can take three agonizing minutes for lobsters to die in boiling water, but the Crustastun is designed to render them unconscious and kills them in five to 10 seconds. Of course, our preference would be that no lobsters be killed at all.

For information about PETA US’s campaign to help lobsters, please visit http://www.LobsterLib.com. For more information about effective advocacy for animals who are raised and killed for their flesh, please see http://www.GoVeg.com/effectiveAdvocacy.asp. To order our “Vegetarian Starter Kit” for yourself or a friend, please go to http://www.PETA.org/vsk/.

Thanks again for contacting PETA and for your concern for animals.

Sincerely,

The PETA Staff
http://www.PETA.org

At least they took the time to reply. What do you guys think of this?

[snivelingchild]

I agree with their standpoint, that we need a combination of shortterm and longterm solutions, just has I have always believed.

[Johnstuff]

I just read the link posted by BB.

Thats shocking that PETA actually bought killing machines on the basis that it is a less painful method.

What's next? Give free silenced handguns to mafia assasins because it's less painful than piano wire?

I don't really care about the adverts, some humans get offended, big deal. But actually buying machines to kill, that's pretty bad imo.

[glovesforfoxes]

I am highly critical of any position that requires the killing of animals, especially if the end goal is animal welfare or rights.

[Korn]

Since we know that animals will be killed and suffer, Peta's position is 'let's do what we can, short term, to make them suffer as little as possible'. Lots of people (including many non-veg*ns) would agree in this. It's just that since I'm a vegan, I'd rather spend my energy and money on a movement which claims that humans shouldn't harm, eat, kill or exploit animals at all; not in an obvious, cruel way - and not in a so called 'humane' way either.

Not only is Peta's policy helping them becoming popular among people who use animal products but who somehow feel that it's wrong, it may also explain that most of Peta's members aren't vegans (according to one of our members.).

[Elahiya]

that is soooo lame with their advert! they try to get away with it that no peta us staff killed any animals. great. isn't that a bit two-faced to promote animal welfare whilst doing an advert for which animals were killed? they could have used proof documentary material (they've got loads of it).

Not only is Peta's policy helping them becoming popular among people who use animal products but who somehow feel that it's wrong, it may also explain that most of Peta's members aren't vegans (according to one of our members.).

well, most of the staff is vegan or at least vegetarian. they insist on it that their staff is at least vegetarian. most of their higher ranked members (like major donors), however, are vegetarian. although, there are some meat-eating weirdos....