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    Hi!
    I'm looking for natural ways to reduce the development of psoriasis arthritis (in addition to eating vegan). I have already done some research on my own and with my boyfriend, but I wonder if there are others in here that have some good advice to share?
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    Yes there is real help for those suffering with all forms of Arthritis (osteo, rheumatoid and psoriatic). I highly recommend reading the book: "Fasting and Eating for Health: A Medical Doctor’s Program for Conquering Disease", by Joel Fuhrman M.D. (1995). In this well researched and thoroughly documented book, he describes the dietary causes of many common chronic illnesses which include autoimmune diseases such as arthritis (he's got a whole chapter dedicated to this). In a nutshell, by removing the causes of disease (excessive low nutrient foods = toxins) and eating a nutrient dense diet of (fruits, vegetables, legumes, nuts) the body is naturally able to fix itself without the use of medications. In the case of some tricky/stubborn diseases (arthritis, migraines, asthma, lupus, etc), a medically supervised water only fast is sometimes required followed by a careful reintroduction of suspect food triggers. Here is an excellent article on his web site covering the topic of Arthritis: Preventing and Reversing Arthritis

    I also highly recommend his more recent book: "Eat to Live". There is an excellent review of this book here over at VegSource.com (pay particular attention to the testimonials at the bottom from the likes of John Robbins, Howard Lyman, T. Colin Campbell, etc.) Dr Fuhrman is my hero!

    Let me know if you find this information helpful - ridgerunner

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    Hi again.
    Thanks for your reply. I'm going to order the book you recommended "Fasting and eating for health" and hope to find something there which I haven't tried- Marie

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    The Argus, 1st December 2004.

    The veggie food that can mend your bones

    by Jessica Mangold

    It has been favoured as a meat substitute by vegetarians for decades, but tofu has now emerged as the latest alternative for mending broken bones and damaged tissue.

    Researchers from the University of Brighton uncovered the hidden properties of soya bean curd after reheating slices of the food and discovering its use in dental and reconstructive surgery.
    Senior lecturer Matteo Santin said: "We cut tofu into slices and warmed it up to eliminate all the water.

    "We ended up with a type of plastic and found this material sucks in water and bodily fluids, like blood, and becomes very elastic. It acts as a physical support for new tissue to grow in the body but also stimulates cells inside the bone to grow relatively quickly."

    Teams from the university's school of pharmacy and biomolecular sciences in Lewes Road, Brighton, have received £149,000 toward their research from the National Endowment for Science, Technology and the Arts (Nesta).

    The money will be used to carry out tests on the tofu-based biomaterial, with the help of specialist medical staff to develop its use for surgical procedures. Dr Santin's research into biomaterials first got underway in 1991, after increasing frustration at the obstacles presented by existing materials for regenerating tissue.

    Most are derived from animals and carry high costs and the risk of transmitting disease.
    But tofu remains a cheaper alternative and experts first stumbled upon it when they witnessed the low rates of osteoporosis among people who eat a lot of the product.

    Dr Santin, 41, said: "This new material is a completely natural product, which degrades in the body without causing any adverse affects. It is less expensive than the products currently available on the market, which provide a physical support for damaged tissue in the body but do not stimulate growth in the bone. The cost of the products on the market limits the number of people who can have access to this type of surgery but we are hoping to have this new treatment widely available in the next three years."

    Nesta director Mark White said: "Cheap and simple to manufacture, the tofu-based biomaterial is the first to integrate quickly with a patient's own tissues and encourage re-growth of the surrounding tissue. We are confident Matteo and his team will be able to progress the material to a real commercial opportunity."
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    Fight/prevent many common cancers and , Tofu helps lower the amount of unhealthy LDL cholesterol in the blood, which lowers blood pressure and will protect you from a heart-induced seizure the next time someone pushes in front of you at the supermarket.
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    Does anyone know some good alternative remedies for arthritis. My sister had been taking viox before it was taken off the market?
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    CHERRIES - it fixed everything for me

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    Glucosamine and MSM are worth a try. They help maintain the cartilage, tendons and ligaments. An affordable vegan glucosamine is now available from Zipvit. Chondroitin is also helpful but unfortunately is not an option for vegans. Glucosamine and chondroitin work best when taken together in the ratio 500/400 but, again, not an option for vegans. I'm mentioning this because you didn't say if your sister was a vegan. Glucosamine, chondroitin and msm are all found naturally in the human body.

    A neighbour finds devil's claw and ginger helps her rheumatoid arthritis and has also started taking glucosamine, chondroitin and msm. She is recovering from some nasty side-effects after taking vioxx.

    The anti-oxidant benefits of green tea may also help.

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    I use glucosamine which I do think workes for me, beside ginger, omega 3 and vitamin C. At least those times I tried to take a brake the pain gets worse.

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    Andie, I'm reading a book " Pain-Free Arthritis" by Harris H. McIlwain, M.D., and Debra Fulghum Bruce, Ph.D. It contains a Program for feeling better and how to eliminate arthritis pain through exercise, anti-inflammatori diet, alternative therapies and the latest prescription drugs. (from Amazon.co.uk)

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    Default any idea on a vegan painkiller for arthritis?

    It is playing me up rotten at the moment, must be the cold weather.Any solutions to help would be grateful.

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    St. John's Wort is a painkiller, aswell as an anti-Depressant, which helps with S.A.D, too, Tails!
    Devil's Claw also seems to offer some relief.
    P.S - St. John's Wort takes a few weeks to show effect, though, but it is good!

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    If you can get your hands on some fresh cherries, buy LOTS and eat them all. If not, go to the health food store and buy 100% cherry juice and drink lots of that. Cherries always fix my arthritis pain

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    Thanks, pfc, have tried st johns wort for my S.A.D but had to stop it, it caused palpations!!.

    I will try cherry juice, thanks banana.

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    Isn't there a synthetic glucosamine available now?

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    Quote Geoff
    Isn't there a synthetic glucosamine available now?
    Yes, there is a Vegan version now available.

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    i don't have arthritis but i do get severe joint and muscle pain sometimes, i find that Meadowsweet's muscle rub is pretty good and i've just tried the Merry Hempster hemp muscle balm which seems to work quite well too.
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    thanks everyone.

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    I know someone who suffers with gout from time to time; it is a form of arthritis. Since eating cherries - either fresh or frozen, it has made an enormous difference.
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    Andie what kind of arthritis do your sister have? It is different treatment to different type. Vioxx belongs to medication called cox-2 NSAIDs and in this category there is also, celebrex, bexstra and mobic. I have never tried them because I do not use medication.

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    Any idea where I can get cherry juice from, her in Britain?

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    i think Holland & Barrett sell cans of apple and cherry juice, i can't remember the name of the brand though
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    Can't you get real frozen cherries, and just have a spoonful every day? Better that juice which often has other stuff in it, including water.
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    Eve, at the health food shop I bought 100% cherry juice with nothing added. It was organic, and expensive but well worth it as it relieved my arthritis.

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    MzNatural,

    I'm not sure what type of arthritis she has. She just said that she hurt some since discontinuing the vioxx.
    Someone else asked if she were a vegan. No, LOL, she's quite the carni.

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    She's actually an omni. It was just so funny to say my up tight sis was a carni.

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    Eve have'nt seen frozen cherries here, I will ask the health shop I use if he can get some cherry juice in.
    Fresh cherries are only here for a short time and extremely expensive!!

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    Hi Andie, I think your sister really would benefit from quitting eating meat( at least). It is proven that meat and dairy products affects people with arthritis. And I'm speaking from experience.

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    Quote tails4wagging
    Eve have'nt seen frozen cherries here, I will ask the health shop I use if he can get some cherry juice in.
    Fresh cherries are only here for a short time and extremely expensive!!
    Just this moment come back from shopping - bought 0.670kg of fresh cherries for £3.67! - and they were half the normal price!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Marie
    Hi Andie, I think your sister really would benefit from quitting eating meat( at least). It is proven that meat and dairy products affects people with arthritis. And I'm speaking from experience.
    I agree with this. When I cut out meat and dairy products, my arthritis improved greatly. I also avoid sugar, salt, refined flour, anything processed, and fried or deep-fried foods.

    Cutting out the nightshade family did nothing for me at all. I can eat tomatoes all day long and the only thing I get is tomato breath.

    Whole foods, simple preparations, and as spicy as I can stand are my main food "rules". The capsaicin in spicy peppers help with arthritis and the whole foods are easier for the body to handle than processed foods are.

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    My husband has bad Arthritis, he has tried everything from stopping all dairy (good job, anyway!), to Avocadoes, Devil's Claw, and all sorts of 'alternative' remedies and therapies. The pain never stops.
    He is waiting for a Hip replacement, I am praying that will stop most of the pain (it's in his back, too, though). He is only 53 but I don't think he'll ever really work again, and we don't have much of a life together anymore. It's a real b*****d for both of us.
    He's trying the Cherries as we speak!

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    If he needs a hip replacement, the sooner the better, and he will never again have arthritis in that hip. The pain in his back may also be because of his hip.
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    Yes, Eve, I pray that will be the outcome. He has been in agony for 2 years because the doctors said he was 'too young' for the op.
    I wrote a few letters and persuaded them to change their minds!
    He broke his Hip in a motorbike crash when he was twenty-something, but it was never diagnosed until the Arthritis set in.

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    Yes they are concerned about someone being too young, because the replacement may last only 10 years, then they have to have it done all over again, and believe me the second time is HEAPS worse than a normal hip replacement (I'm speaking from my own personal experience). However, I will tell you that I feel absolutely no pain whatsoever now, and it was done - 2nd time - just about 18 months ago. I feel like dancing! And it wasn't from arthritis or osteoporosis - just happened to be hurrying along, tripped, and came down with a crash! That was some years back.

    Please tell him he has my very best wishes for a successful op, and a quick recovery.
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    Thanks, Eve, I' ll pass it on.
    They're trying him with a 'Birmingham replacement' first, it's like a partial replacement with a metal pin, where the bone can still grow round it, it lasts longer - that is, if his Hip is intact enough - we'll see when they get him on the slab!

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    Make no bones about it, milk is not for us

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    In a recent study, a US organisation claims that there is no link between having strong bones and drinking milk. Our kids are living proof, two people tell ALVIN CHIANG.

    WE don't drink cow's milk and we're doing fine.
    That's what these babies would say if they weren't too young to talk.

    So say their mums who should know.

    They claim to be living proof of a recent report by the US-based Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) which said there is no link between drinking milk and strong bones in children.

    Little Chayton, 2, and 9-month-old Yu Ling are vegan babies who have never drunk cow's milk since they were born.

    Yu Ling's mother is a strict vegan. So are Chayton's parents.

    This means they don't eat meat and any dairy products, like milk.

    Home-maker Madam Jin Ying Hong, 30, said: 'My daughter, Yu Ling, would wince and look 'disgusted' if you try to feed her with cow's milk or formula milk.'

    Like Yu Ling, Chayton has never drunk any milk other than his mother's milk.

    That was the only thing he had in his first year.

    Even now, Chayton's mother, Ms Joanne Guelke, 36, breast-feeds him.

    Ms Guelke, a Canadian, said: 'Chayton is like any other baby who gets a runny nose from time to time. But, otherwise, he's just as healthy as other babies of his age.'

    Both Madam Jin and Ms Guelke give their children food rich in calcium and protein, like seaweed and brown rice, to supplement their diet since they don't drink cow's milk.

    Cow's milk has long been understood to be a good source of calcium.

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    Doctors and nutritionists here agree calcium is important for healthy bones. But they say milk is not the only source of calcium.

    Dr Tan Lay Zye, a consultant paediatrician, said: 'Strong bones can be achieved by taking a diet rich in calcium and vitamin D. Milk is good but not the only source of calcium.'

    Nutritionist Devon Wong from Pacific Healthcare said besides milk, food like yoghurt, orange juice, breakfast cereals, and tofu are rich in calcium and Vitamin D. Mr Wong said regular exercise and exposure to sunlight can also help build healthy bones.

    The PCRM report said eight cups of cooked spinach or 2 1/4 cups of cooked broccoli have as much calcium as a glass of milk.

    So, even if one doesn't drink milk or eat other dairy products, there is plenty of other calcium-rich food to choose from.

    It's all a matter of choice.

    Madam Jin said she would put her daughter on a vegan diet until she becomes an adult.

    'It's really up to her when she grows up to choose what she wants to eat,' Madam Jin said.

    Madam Jin said she gets her calcium and protein from food like brown rice, nuts and cauliflower.

    Formerly a meat-eater, Madam Jin switched to a vegan diet three months into her pregnancy.

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    Back then, she started throwing up every time she ate meat. So she gave it up.

    As her mother-in-law had been a vegan for several years, Madam Jin had constant advice on what to eat. Finding what to feed Yu Ling was not a problem.

    For Ms Guelke, who arrived here only six weeks ago, dining out can be quite difficult.

    Not only are they vegan, they eat only organic food. Organic food is food grown without using man-made chemicals, which some feel are harmful.

    They became vegan six months ago.

    Ms Guelke came here with her husband, who was posted here to work for a software development company.

    She said: 'It's hard to find vegetarian restaurants that serve only organic food here.

    'Most of the time, we dine in.'

    There are not many vegans in Singapore.

    The Vegetarian Society Singapore's president, Dr George Jacobs, estimated less than one-fifth of the 170-odd members are vegans. The others avoid meat but may eat dairy products and eggs.

    Ms Guelke's family is determined to stick to an organic and vegan diet.

    A personal fitness trainer, Ms Guelke said: 'People really need to educate themselves on what they're eating.'

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    hi, I'm new to this site.
    I have been reading quite a bit about diet and rheumatoid arthritis connection and, since being diagnosed with arthritis in January, was wondering if anyone has any experience with this? I'm starting a vegan diet today, had been vegetarian before today, and wondering if you could give me more tips on healing.
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    The most important aspect of healing arthritis, is to get and maintain a positive attitude to everything. It is certainly positive that you're starting a vegan diet, and remember that there is more to a vegan lifestyle than just following a diet. Which country do you live in? A good Reiki healer is the only one I'd recommend.
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    There is a difference between someone that is vegan and someone that follows the vegan diet. For the sake of this post, I'm going to be addressing just the vegan diet end. If you want to know more about the lifestyle, there are plenty here who will gladly answer any question you have.

    I've had RA all my adult life. The vegan diet is THE best thing I've found for controlling and managing symptoms. The more whole the food is, the less the likelyhood of having a flareup from it is. You will want to avoid pre-packaged foods as much as possible because of the added sodium and the food additives they put in it and you will want to avoid fried foods - especially deep fried foods because they really mess with the body. Going [dietary] vegan is also excellent because milk and especially cheese are both inflammitory agents and I'm sure you know by now that inflammation is a bad thing. Meat is also an inflammitory but since you're vegetarian going vegan, this is a complete non-issue (but for anyone else who might want to know, meat is very bad for RA).

    I almost forgot to mention that in this "simple food", don't be afraid to use spices. Spices bring a lot of flavours but they also bring their own set of benefits. Especially spicy foods or foods with a lot of garlic, ginger, and capsaicin in it. Tumeric is also very good to use because of its anti-inflammitory properties.

    Some RAs are told to avoid anything in the nightshade family. Some people have great results with this, some don't have any changes at all. I'm one of the ones in the latter group, so I don't really worry about restricting my tomatoes, eggplants or anything else in that family. Since your system is different than mine, I would suggest trying the elimiation diet on these things to see if they effect you at all.

    For treatments, I've always had really good results with accupuncture but since each person is different, I would recommned checking it out for yourself to see if it's right for you.

    A positive attitude is key. It's hard to do on bad days, I know, but the key is to try to remain as "up" as you can, even in those days. It's starting to come out more and more about how positive attitudes promotes healing and how downer attitudes impede that healing so in order to help speed healing, try to be as positive as you can about things. It will really help you.

    Hope this helps. If there's anything else you want to know, don't be afraid to ask. I'll gladly answer anything I can.
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    thank you Kiva Dancer.
    do you take any meds? my mil is pushing me to take the drugs for this but i really don't want to. i'd much rather use diet and exercise.
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    Kiva Dancer any recommendations for me? - My elbow joint has only about 30degrees movement, since 1995. My specialist told me I have 'a form of arthritis'! (Since then I've had a hinged distraction arthroscopy on it - it made no difference). I tried vegan glucosamine for a couple of months but felt no change.

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    Raw food vegans thin but healthy, study finds

    Updated: 4:38 p.m. ET March 28, 2005
    WASHINGTON - People who adhere strictly to raw food vegetarian diets are thin but have surprisingly robust bones, U.S. researchers reported on Monday.


    Although nutritionists and the food industry have warned that a diet without dairy foods can lead to the bone-thinning disease osteoporosis, the team at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis found the vegans they studied had many of the signs of strong bones.

    “We think it’s possible these people don’t have increased risk of fracture but that their low bone mass is related to the fact that they are lighter because they take in fewer calories,” Dr. Luigi Fontana, who led the study, said in a statement.

    “Raw food vegetarians believe in eating only plant-derived foods that have not been cooked, processed, or otherwise altered from their natural state,” Fontana’s team wrote in this week’s issue of the Archives of Internal medicine.

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    “Because of their low calorie and low protein intake, raw food vegetarians have a low body mass index (BMI) and a low total body fat content. It is well documented that a low BMI and weight loss are strongly associated with low bone mass and increased fracture risk, while obesity protects against osteoporosis.”
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    obesity protects against osteoporosis? Wouldn't have thought so. I recently had a bone density scan, that showed no sign of osteoporosis and I'm not obese. But I do have omnivore friends who are obese, and they *do* suffer from osteoporosis. My doc tried to persuade me to take calcium tablets because I don't eat dairy foods, but he gave in when I explained that my diet of leafy green vegies, soymilk, legumes etc, provided sufficient calcium. I also mentioned that my sister has been taking calcium tablets for years, and every 2 years she has a bone scan, that shows osteoporosis, and an increased risk of fractures.
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    Being underweight promotes osteoporosis, but therefore concluding that obesity protects against it? I don`t know...

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    hmm

    will any of the above mentioned things help to stop/slow down the spread of arthritis?

    some twit of a woman ran a stop sign in june of 2004 and totaled my brand new car, and it seems as if the impact has led to me getting arthritis in one finger. i spoke w/ a friend who said that hers started w/ 1 finger and progressed to all of both hands, and i am only 28 and don't want it to progress!!
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    Clinical studies have substantiated that curcumin also called tumeric exerts very powerful antioxidant effects. As an antioxidant, curcumin is able to neutralize free radicals, chemicals that can travel through the body and cause great amounts of damage to healthy cells and cell membranes. This is important in many diseases, such as arthritis, where free radicals are responsible for the painful joint inflammation and eventual damage to the joints. Turmeric's combination of antioxidant and anti-inflammatory effects explains why many people with joint disease find relief when they use the spice regularly. In a recent study of patients with rheumatoid arthritis, curcumin was compared to phenylbutazone and produced comparable improvements in shortened duration of morning stiffness, lengthened walking time, and reduced joint swelling.
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    I remembered reading this, which follows the article about urine therapy at the link below it:

    "One Woman's Experiences
    Just wanted to say how grateful I am to Martha Christy for writing her book. I was skeptical at first - who wouldn't be? But I have been suffering from rheumatoid arthritis for 7 years (I'm 34) to the point where I have been nearly disabled at times; hospitalized because of the pain at times; and unable to function as a mother to my newborn 3 years ago.

    I started with "MY" own perfect medicine about 16 months ago, and within 3 days... yes THREE DAYS my aches were dramatically decreased, my swollen joints began 'unswelling' and over the past 16 months my 'sed' rate has dropped from an alarming 90 - 100 to about 27; almost normal!!

    Just wanted to let you know that Perfect Medicine is RIGHT ON in my opinion. Now, if we could just get others to understand. No one in my family understands even the concept of it... so needless to say not even my husband knows I'm doing this. They all just think "it's a miracle" that I'm feeling so much better. Well, it is a miracle. My OWN miracle!

    By the way, I have also used the therapy to relieve dry skin patches on my legs and face, and minor acne problems. Have also sprayed it into my hair on nights when my husband works... and left it over night. When I washed in the morning, my hair was soft and shiny, and the dry spots were much smoother. And minor acne all but disappears over night. I swear by this stuff!!!

    Sincerely,

    Denise "

    http://www.all-natural.com/urine.html

    This is not a therapy that I personally feel comfortable using at the moment, which isn't to do with disgust, but here is something else written by Martha Christie:

    http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/urine.html

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    I found out recently that it's not just nightshades that are making my joints ache, it's foods with oxalic acid (like everything we eat--spinach, almonds, on and on) so I'm looking for something--a vitamin/food/an herb that can flush out specifically the oxalic acid. Anyone have any suggestions?
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    I use Deva vegan glucosamine MSM and CMO joint support. My fingers used to be agony if i lent on them, now they hardly ever hurt!
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    Thanks Wellies!

    I use the veg Quest brand and it helps a bit but not altogether.

    I've been western med tested for lime disease, all kinds o' arthritis and I'm convinced it's the blasted oxalic acid. I've tried mag citrate to flush the acid out and it helps, but I wondered if specifically there were any other vits/herbs/shtuff that specifically flushes or eliminates the oxalic acid build up--it's in practically everything we eat. Arg.
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