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    Does anyone feel as I do?

    I personally feel that eating "faux meat" undermines my "vegan-ness" somehow. The thought of eating fake meat reminds me of the real "thing", which I have absolutely NO desire for. The same goes for fake cheese for me as well...
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    I have absolutely no problem with it. Some tastes ok, some not, but as long as it's suitable for vegans, it's suitable for me. I'll stop eating it when they stop making it and I'll still remain a vegan.

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    ^ I agree.
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    Of course you will still remain a vegan . This isn't a "vegan" "non-vegan" post.

    Sorry.

    I wonder if anyone else has these feelings. Thus, my post.
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    I don't see the connection.

    My boss is vegetarian and can't stand the vegan fake meat products that I eat because they're too much like the real thing and that's "gross". The only products she will eat are the ones that don't taste as real to her, which all contain egg and milk products. She's a vegetarian because she loves animals. I find it ironic.
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    Yick RubyDuby!! She's vegetarian because she loves animals... Hmmm.
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    The funny thing is she hasn't eaten meat since she was 6, so it's all in her head whether it tastes real or not. She doesn't like veggie dogs for example, bc they're "too real", and I can taste the soy in those!
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    I am just stating my feelings on fake meat. My personal feelings. And asking if anyone else understands these feelings or can relate to them. I'm not here to be attacked by fellow vegans.

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    i don't think anyone thought you were attacking them...we all have our opinions. I think there is actually a couple other threads about this topic too...

    i think the fake meats actually kind of help our cause. it kinda helps show omnis that we can still enjoy the foods that we used to eat, only its cruelity free!

    but to each their own!

    Edit: oh wait, you thought that we are attacking you? I'm sorry, i'm only speaking for myself here but i was definately not attacking you, and everyone was just giving their own opinion just as you gave yours.
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    I use the 'fake' only because it's easier when dining with others.... they have their meat and salad, I have fake and salad and lessens the questions that get thrown at me. I don't eat it because it tastes like dead animal at all..

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    Quote Tallulah View Post
    Of course you will still remain a vegan . This isn't a "vegan" "non-vegan" post.
    Sorry.
    I wonder if anyone else has these feelings. Thus, my post.
    Hi Tallulah

    Absolutely no offence taken. I was a veggie for 6 years, then a vegan for the last 13 years. Up to going veggie, I'd been an omni for 43 years and I quite liked the taste of fish and meat. My 'conversion' was to do with a recognition of the cruelty in an omni diet, rather than a change in my taste buds. Knowing that the 'bacon' I eat is suitable for vegans is all I need to know.

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    Not aware of anyone attacking you, why would they???
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    Hi Tallulah

    Absolutely no offence taken. I was a veggie for 6 years, then a vegan for the last 13 years. Up to going veggie, I'd been an omni for 43 years and I quite liked the taste of fish and meat. My 'conversion' was to do with a recognition of the cruelty in an omni diet, rather than a change in my taste buds. Knowing that the 'bacon' I eat is suitable for vegans is all I need to know.

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    Not aware of anyone attacking you, why would they???
    I understand leedsveg. Thank you for clarifying. I am not "attacking" anyone. These are my feelings at the moment. They may change. I've only been vegan for a month,so I have TONS of room to grow.
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    I am just stating my feelings on fake meat. My personal feelings. And asking if anyone else understands these feelings or can relate to them. I'm not here to be attacked by fellow vegans.

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    I don't really see how anybody attacked you, but I apologize if it seemed like I was!
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    You didn't RubyDuby. It's all okay.
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    Yeah I think everyone here can understand and respect your feelings on that. I certainly can understand it, but I personally don't have a problem eating fake meat. My problem with meat isn't that it tastes like meat, and I DO happen to still have a desire for a kind of meatiness. I ate a lot more fake meat toward the beginning of my veganism though. Now it's once in a while, but I enjoy it.

    But again, ain't nothing wrong with not wanting to touch the stuff.
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    Matt35m: I understand. I'm thinking maybe I'm too new a vegan? Maybe that's why I have this aversion? But I don't miss meat or dairy at all, and I was addicted to both. Embarrassingly enough, I did the Atkins Diet long before I became vegan, just to lose a few pounds. :-(
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    I don't really think the length of veganism has much to do with it. If anything, I think people generally eat more fake meat toward the beginning of vegetarianism/veganism to wean themselves down to a point where they don't crave real meat anymore. But then again everyone's different! Perhaps you may eventually get to a point where the fake meat just doesn't remind you of anything. I don't really think about anything when I'm eating fake meat.

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    Maybe so. Thanks matt35mm
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    Well personally, I was never much of a meat or cheese eater prior to becoming a vegan. I eat tofu now but I don't make it to taste like meat cause I just don't like the flavor of meat.

    There was one time though, my mom bought this tofu "steak" though I didn't know that's what it was. I just thought it was the stuff we usually fix. So I cut some up and put it on my salad. After the first bite I gagged and spit it out. The texture was SO much like the texture of meat (at least from what I could remember) that I was sickened.

    So I can see why fake meats get to some vegans. And I can see why they don't bother other vegans. I think it just depends on the person really. I hate the taste of meat whether real or fake, and that's just me

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    I don't really think the length of veganism has much to do with it. If anything, I think people generally eat more fake meat toward the beginning of vegetarianism/veganism to wean themselves down to a point where they don't crave real meat anymore. But then again everyone's different! Perhaps you may eventually get to a point where the fake meat just doesn't remind you of anything. I don't really think about anything when I'm eating fake meat.
    Yeah I agree. The fake meats can soften the transition. I think they're also good to show non-vegans that you can still get similar flavors as a vegan (like the Skinny Bitch cookbook which calls for a lot of fake meats, cheeses, etc.) Fake meats make veganism less daunting to some people, I think.

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    Its interesting how different people feel.

    Personally, I don't eat much fake meat/cheese because it's expensive and I'm not that fond of them. Having said that I used a fair bit of soy milk and non-dairy spread so it really depends how far down the line you want to go.

    When I was a vegetarian I ate a fair bit of Quorn because I didn't really know how to cook and it was an easy option. I found omnis often seemed to think they had won some kind of arguement when they asked why I ate this but didn't eat meat. That's a bit like saying 'how can you object to stealing but not to accepting gifts' they are both about transfer of ownership of an item.

    My reason for being vegan is that I don't want to be involved in the suffering of animals, with a side order of evironmental and heath reasons. This doesn't negate the occasional slice of soy cheese. However, because of the environmental/health reasons wouldn't eat a lot of this as they tend to be highly processed items which might not be too great for a person.
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    I don't really think the length of veganism has much to do with it.
    Hi matt

    You may well be right. Probably few if any studies done on this but it would be interesting to know how many 'converts' give up faux meats (if they ever tried them in the first place) and at what stage they do. Also how many 'converts' start, or resume eating, faux meats at a later stage.

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    i think the fake meats actually kind of help our cause. it kinda helps show omnis that we can still enjoy the foods that we used to eat, only its cruelity free!
    Is this true though? Judging from some 'go vegan for x days' challenges I've seen online, many people seem to think that vegans subsist on highly processed substitute stuff, so fake meats might have the opposite effect in that they isolate us even further by creating the impression that we are this weird group that only eats our own separate stuff.

    This is not a value judgement on anyone who uses fake meats, just a general observation that might be wrong as I don't have much first-hand experience in similar situations.

    To answer the original question, I don't buy fake meats because they are not available here! I'm curious to try some products, esp. things like vegan bacon, but I sincerely don't know how I would react if they were too realistic.

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    Hi matt

    You may well be right. Probably few if any studies done on this but it would be interesting to know how many 'converts' give up faux meats (if they ever tried them in the first place) and at what stage they do. Also how many 'converts' start, or resume eating, faux meats at a later stage.

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    Hi leedsveg, your response came up as I was writing mine. I would definitely fall into the second category. One year ago, I wouldn't want anything to do with faux meats, as I found the idea a bit disturbing, but, as stated above, I would give them a try now, if I could.

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    Hi rulska

    Probably no black/white or right/wrong answers in all this. I can certainly see the arguments for and against eating faux meats. It's so terribly difficult sometimes knowing what our best actions are which will help other people 'convert'.

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    I have a simple view of it, it contains lots of nutrition (the good ones) us vegans need, I buy it from a vegan company, nothing has died for it I have no problem with :0) happy days.
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    I can't see anything wrong with fake meat stuff. If it helps to encourage omni's to possibly convert then why not. Plus the fact that I can still remember what meat and fish tastes like and I did love the taste of it so have no problem when it comes to the taste, but obviously have a problem when it comes to killing for that taste. Making sense? anyhoo I know that it's not totally like meat but for those who kind of miss meat or fish it's a good alternative.

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    I think the veggie hot dogs sound yucky, because they look like the real things and I have a memory of what they taste like.

    It took me several years after becoming a vegetarian before I would touch the vegetarian hamburgers. They reminded me of regular hamburgers and I had some kind of mental thing with those. I still sometimes can't get over the kind that have the "grill marks" on them.

    At the beginning of my vegetarianism, I would tell people, I don't eat animal foods, why would I want to eat something that looks just like it? What's the point? But I can see how they would be helpful for someone who is having a hard time giving up meat and wants something that looks and maybe tastes "familiar."

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    I am just stating my feelings on fake meat. My personal feelings. And asking if anyone else understands these feelings or can relate to them.
    I do/can. I don't eat them. I did once have a veganised english breakfast which included imitation bacon rashers with rind. I found that quite obscene and stupid.
    I care about appearances to others beyond fundamental ingredients (can't stand realistic false leather etc.), but since any false-meat stuff would be something I'd be eating at home, that doesn't play much of a part. It's really because I think they're crap food. Well beyond the idea that a meal has to revolve around a stodgy, chewy, meat-like lump, I have no interest in cooking that way any more.

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    I love them! I usually have a few veggie sausages at the weekend, and recently I've really been enjoying those Fry's Traditional Burgers. The only thing that stops me eating them is the fact that they're overpriced and they're total junk food, so they're best consumed in moderation. Out of curiosity, do those of you who avoid them because of their similarity to meat also avoid soya milk/yogurt etc. because of their similarity with dairy products?
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    I'll probably get shot down in flames for this, but Really enjoy the 'meaty' faux meats', more to do with the texture than flavour really. I do find the meaty chompiness satisfying. I had some hot dogs for my breakfast at the weekend, served in crusty rolls, most excellent.
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    has anyone tried the chinese veggie faux meat stuff? it's usually made out of either gluten or soya. You can get sate and prawn like things made from either taro (which is yuck) or the nicer one made with bean curd skins yum.

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    It's really because I think they're crap food. Well beyond the idea that a meal has to revolve around a stodgy, chewy, meat-like lump, I have no interest in cooking that way any more.
    Plenty of diners who have eaten faux-meat in Manhattan restaurants may have trouble recognising your description. The food does not automatically have to be like that.

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    I'll probably get shot down in flames for this, but Really enjoy the 'meaty' faux meats', more to do with the texture than flavour really. I do find the meaty chompiness satisfying. I had some hot dogs for my breakfast at the weekend, served in crusty rolls, most excellent.
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    I think you might like seitan then if you have never tried it. It's got that 'robust' texture and you have flavour it how you like

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    has anyone tried the chinese veggie faux meat stuff? it's usually made out of either gluten or soya. You can get sate and prawn like things made from either taro (which is yuck) or the nicer one made with bean curd skins yum.
    There is a place near me called veggieworld which is mostly vegan (90%) and totally vegetarian who carries a lot of those things. You can buy online I think, but if you are ever passing near Milton Keynes, pop in... it's great.
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    I have no problem with mock meats and I think some are delicious.:smile:

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    So I can see why fake meats get to some vegans. And I can see why they don't bother other vegans. I think it just depends on the person really.
    I agree.

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    Plenty of diners who have eaten faux-meat in Manhattan restaurants may have trouble recognising your description.
    Point not taken at all. Manhattan restaurants??
    The food does not automatically have to be like that.
    No. I don't bother with foods that are, though.

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    Quote Jiffy View Post
    I'll probably get shot down in flames for this, but Really enjoy the 'meaty' faux meats', more to do with the texture than flavour really. I do find the meaty chompiness satisfying. I had some hot dogs for my breakfast at the weekend, served in crusty rolls, most excellent.

    i love them too, very satisfying to eat .

    i was brought up on a high-meat diet and i loved the taste and texture of meat - it was only in my teenaged years when i found out what really happens to animals that i felt i couldn't continue the hypocrisy of loving them and eating them! .

    i wish i liked the traditional stereotypical vegan foods more - lentils, pulses, etc, but i have to be honest and say that i really, really, enjoy fake 'meat' and 'cheese'.
    however, when i was first vegan they weren't really around, so i know i could survive without them .

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    I totally agree. If i wanted to eat meat I would. I don't buy processed meat substitutes because I don't want meat in my diet. I don't miss it a know I don't need it.
    I find it interesting how many vegans eat a ton of that crap. It's so expensive and processed. What's the point?
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    I don't mind the faux meats. They are kinda pricey, so I buy them in small amounts. I like mixing up my diet with them, and they provide a good amount of added protein. I normally stick to Vegan Veggie Burgers, Vegan Meatballs, and I tried Vegan Chicken Patties one time. Oh, and Ive tried Boca Crumbles, which would be like Vegan ground beef. I wasn't to fond of them. Id have to say that the meatballs are my fave, I make a meat sauce out of them for pasta, and I make meatball sandwiches with melted soy mozzerella on top. Very Yummy!

    I remember when I was 1 month into being Vegan I was sceptical about faux meats and cheese, because I didn't think I would like the way they tasted. But, your tastebuds adapt and after time they taste normal to you. As does tofu and soy milk. I love Silk Chocolate Milk, now, but at the beginning I thought it was awful!

    I still have not tried seitan, and tempeh. But, I think I am going to make a Tofurky for Thanksgiving this year. My husband and I travel to a relatives house and I need to prepare and bring our food. It should be interesting. Has anyone had this before?

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    What's the point?
    Be an herbivore not a fauxmeatavore.
    because some of us enjoy them... and we are still herbivores.

    It's not like I only eat Boca and Gardenburger products. I have a veggie patty 3 or 4 times per week for lunch (whenever I bring lunch to work). A couple of times a month we'll have mock duck, or veggie dogs or veggie deli slices, or something similar, as a part of our dinner... along with vegetables and grains. I doubt anybody only eats "fake meat" or has it for the majority of their diet, but even if they do, if they don't eat or use animal products they're still vegan.

    eta: I'm not implying anybody said they wouldn't be vegan. I just mean there's nothing morally wrong with eating those products, so what's the big deal if some of us do?
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    But, I think I am going to make a Tofurky for Thanksgiving this year. My husband and I travel to a relatives house and I need to prepare and bring our food. It should be interesting. Has anyone had this before?
    My husband and I love Tofurkey. I always make one for Thanksgiving, Christmas, and usually one or two other times a year. We don't care for the stuffing inside it though (and there isn't very much) so I always make one or two pans of my own stuffing on the side. Stuffing is my absolute favorite Thanksgiving dish anyway. Another thing, we think the tofurkey tastes even better reheated the next day. So if you are preparing it ahead of time to bring w/ you it should be even better.

    I don't use as much faux meat as I used to but do enjoy it now and then. Some of the things like breakfast sausage patties and links I never even had pre-vegan so it isn't like I'm trying to recapture a taste I miss. It's just what I enjoy now and then.


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    ^I feel the same way about vegenaise. I hated mayo!
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    I think you might like seitan then if you have never tried it. It's got that 'robust' texture and you have flavour it how you like



    There is a place near me called veggieworld which is mostly vegan (90%) and totally vegetarian who carries a lot of those things. You can buy online I think, but if you are ever passing near Milton Keynes, pop in... it's great.

    OMG, thank you, thank you I was trying so hard today trying to think what that place was called that sells those veggie stuff. Hooray am going to do some online shopping me thinks.

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    Point not taken at all. Manhattan restaurants??
    No. I don't bother with foods that are, though.
    I quoted Manhattan restaurants because Manhattan-NYC probably has more celebrated faux-meat restaurants than any other city in the Western Hemisphere.

    Can I ask, Prawnil, if in your opinion, all faux-meat is per se crap food, or can it form part of a delicious, vegan meal?

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    I prefer naturally-occurring stuff on the whole, but fake meat can be good for a change, especially if nicely prepared in a Chinese restaurant etc.

    I don't think any omnivores are influenced either way when I eat it, but some people are probably more influential than what I am

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    Can I ask, Prawnil, if in your opinion, all faux-meat is per se crap food, or can it form part of a delicious, vegan meal?
    It's really because I think they're crap food.
    (Yes, crap & no, they don't play a delicious part of my vegan meals)

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    I like fox meat, um ,erm, I mean faux meat. My favorite is seitan.

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    I agree. I feel no reason to eat something that's imitating something that's wrong. Its almost as if by eating faux meat, to me, is like saying that there is a reason to eat meat and that's why it's recreated. And i don't want to eat something that is meant to taste like a dead animal.
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    I personally don't think "meat is wrong"; killing animals is wrong. When they successfully start making laboratory meat, which seems soon, I have no problem with people who call themselves vegan choosing to eat it. I'm not sure if I will but that's not in any way because I think it is "unethical", it's not, but rather because I just don't have a taste for it.

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    Default Re: Faux Meat

    I wouldn't say that seitan was mock meat. I thought people were discussing the mock meats that resemble meat like the bacon example that Prawnil described, I don't know why they have to put the "rind" on it either actually. When I eat something like a veggie burger or a veggie sausage I don't think it looks like meat because animals aren't born cut up into burger or sausage shapes. I eat prawn cocktail flavoured crisps too but I have no idea if they actually taste like a prawn.

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