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    Can children survive on plant foods alone?

    By Marika Sboros, March 2, 2005, www.thestar.co.za


    If you don't feed your children meat, one day you may have to confess: "Honey, I shrunk the kids."

    That's according to an American scientist who says you risk damaging your children and stunting their physical and mental growth if you withhold meat and other animal products from their diet.

    What's more, the damage may be permanent, says Professor Lindsay Allen, director of the US Agricultural Research Service's Western Human Nutrition Research Centre at the University of California.

    She reserves special condemnation for parents who feed their children a vegan diet. Veganism is described as "not just a vegetarian diet, but a way of living that seeks to exclude all animal products including eggs, milk and cheese".

    Allen says there's "absolutely no question that it's unethical for parents to bring up children as strict vegans". She concedes that adults can avoid animal foods if they take the right supplements, but the risks are "too great for children".

    Not surprisingly, this view has provoked outrage among nutrition specialists and vegetarian and vegan parents, among them former Beatle Sir Paul McCartney, a vegetarian for 20 years along with his late wife Linda, who brought out a successful range of meat-free foods. All his children are vegetarian, and he points out they are all fit, healthy and "no shorter than others".

    After media reports of Allen's research last week McCartney called the BBC to protest. He said there was consensus among doctors on benefits of a vegetarian diet, and Allen's views were likely to be "engineered by livestock people who have seen sales fall off".

    Allen reached her conclusions after conducting a two-year study of 566 impoverished rural Kenyan children. She found that when just two spoonfuls of meat were added to the children's starchy staple diets each day, they showed dramatic improvements (80%) in muscle development and mental skills. They became more active, talkative and playful, and showed more leadership skills. Another group given a cup of milk a day or an oil supplement containing the same amount of energy also showed improvements of 40%.

    Allen presented her findings at the recent annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, in Washington. She said animal source foods had nutrients not found anywhere else and were essential for young children and pregnant and lactating women. Withholding these foods during that time was "unethical as empirical research showed the very adverse effects on child development".

    She has some support from reputable quarters.

    Dr Alastair Sutcliffe, senior paediatrics lecturer at University College London, was quoted as saying human ancestry shows a natural diet includes meat and is likely to produce a taller, stronger child.
    He respects adults' ethical decision to eat a vegan diet, but says it should be "very carefully considered if that is the right decision for a child". He says a vegetarian diet including dairy products would "probably be fine for children".

    Yet there are gaping holes in Allen's argument, and you don't have to be a research scientist to see them. It's also tempting to think, as McCartney does, that somewhere, somehow, the meat industry is behind this research.

    After all, the vegetarian movement is growing worldwide, and that is making powerful vested interests in the meat industries feel ever more lean and mean.


    Research shows a vegetarian diet can and does provide all the nutrients necessary for a child's growth and development at all ages. Allen errs in extrapolating the results of a study on children in a developing country, on an inadequate diet, and generalising to the developed world. But she also commits a very basic error of logic: she adds one variable to the children's diets - in this case meat and other animal products - and then concludes it is optimum simply because it provides benefits.

    Cape Town homeopath and naturopath Dr Philip Sherwin says that reasoning is fallacious. Meat has nutritional value, and it's not surprising the children showed some improvement because their diets were so deficient to begin with, he says.

    However, fresh fruit and vegetables, nuts and seeds also have nutritional value. They are power houses of vitamins and minerals and are likely to produce the same improvements when added to a grossly deficient diet, he says.

    To exclude them, Allen would have had to add them as a variable in her study or do a parallel study.

    Sherwin says vegetarian foods are likely to be better and cheaper for children than animal products, particularly if grown organically.

    They don't have the health risks associated with meat and other animal products.

    Nutrition specialist Dr Charlotte Prout Jones agrees. She says if Allen's study proves anything, it is that a starving child will benefit in the short term from any food with some nutrition in it.


    Prout Jones runs the Life Science in Chartwell and specialises in fasting and natural food and juice therapies to treat a range of serious illnesses.

    Life Science is an international movement that began in the US more than 100 years ago, and is the study of human well-being and nutrition in all its facets.

    It is based on veganism as the ideal diet, because those are the foods for which humans are "naturally adapted", Prout Jones says.

    For starters, plant foods have far more of the enzymes needed for digestion of food than animal products. Meat is also not a particularly good source of protein because the protein it does have is coagulated and the amino acids it contains are not freely available to the human body, she says.

    Modern animal food production methods involve extensive use of hormones, antibiotics and other chemical additives. Prout Jones says meat eaters are showing a disturbing increase in hormone-related diseases including young boys growing breasts during puberty.

    Milk products also increase the risk of mucous-related diseases such as sinusitis and throat infections.

    The reality is that starvation in the world is not a result of lack of food, but bad management and distribution, Prout Jones says.

    And if there's any diet that is unethical, it is one containing meat.

    She says the "meat habit" is a major cause of environmental destruction. About 85% of grains in the world are grown not to feed people, but to feed animals killed for food.

    The British Dietetic Association says Allen's findings are not applicable to vegan children in the developed world, and there is no evidence that vegan and vegetarian children in the UK have suffered impaired development.

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    UCD professor’s comments on vegan diet hotly debated

    Musician Paul McCartney calls her findings

    By CHRISTIAN DANIELSEN, 03/02/2005, californiaaggie.com

    UC Davis professor Lindsay Allen found herself amid international press coverage and the target of wrath from vegans around the globe for comments she made at a scientific conference that vegan diets for children are "unethical."

    "There's absolutely no question that it's unethical for parents to bring up their children as strict vegans," she said at the February meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in Washington D.C. "There's a lot of empirical research that will show the very adverse effects on child development of doing that."

    Allen's comments created a backlash among vegan advocacy groups who labeled the report biased for studying already-undernourished Kenyan children. They also criticized the study for accepting funding from the National Cattleman's Association, a U.S. meat industry group.

    Even former Beatle Paul McCartney, a longtime vegetarian, weighed in on Allen's comments, calling them "rubbish" in a BBC News interview in England.

    Allen measured the effects of adding animal-source foods to a group of Kenyan school children's diets, comparing the results to those of Kenyan children on a diet of primarily corn and beans.

    Among other findings, the study concluded that children not eating the animal-source foods were significantly more likely to have stunted growth. They were also deficient in key nutrients like iron, zinc and calcium.

    Despite repeated requests by The California Aggie, Allen did not return calls for comment.

    In a written response to a member of the vegan website Vegsource.com, however, Allen said her quotes to various news sources were taken out of context.

    "The news reporter 'hyped' my concern about vegan diets for pregnant/lactating mothers and infants/children by not adding the sentence I was emphatic they keep in," she wrote, "namely that vegan diets were unethical UNLESS those who practiced them were well-informed about how to add back the missing nutrients through supplements or fortified foods."

    Because some nutrients are not readily available in plant-based diets, vegans have to make up for them to stay healthy. Several dieticians disputed Allen's original comments regarding a vegan diet's unhealthiness for children.


    "The B12 vitamin is the most important, and for kids that don't live in sunny climates vitamin D is important, as well as calcium," said Jack Norris, a registered dietician and president of Vegan Outreach, a national vegan advocacy group. "But if a parent knows what they're doing then a vegan diet is fine."

    As a vegetarian for six years and a vegan for a year and a half, UCD junior Pete Hernandez said he made the decision for "ethical, humanitarian and environmental reasons." Although the diet requires more effort, the payoffs are worth the work, Hernandez said.

    "There's so much evidence in support of vegan diets, that they're more compassionate and better for you," he said. "I feel so much healthier since I've been vegan -- mentally, spiritually and physically."

    Hernandez cited the vast amounts of water, grain and other resources that go into meat and dairy production, a process he feels is unethical in light of the problem of hunger in the world. Like many vegans who spoke out against Allen's comments, he voiced concern that using the study to challenge the vegan diet was misguided.

    "I think [Allen] ignored a lot of evidence from nutritionists about the benefits of not eating meat and other animal products," he said. "Things like mercury levels in fish are so high these days, and there are hormones and food that's been genetically modified that I wouldn't say is healthy to eat."

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    Veganism is for williing, not starving

    by Rebecca Adler, March 02, 2005, statehornet.com


    Professor Lindsay Allen from UC Davis was criticized by British news media, including the BBC and The Guardian, because of a statement that she made at a conference in Washington, D.C., last week.

    "There's absolutely no question that it's unethical for parents to bring up their children as strict vegans," she said at the annual conference of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.

    The statement was based on a study she conducted by feeding malnourished children in Africa two spoonfuls of meat each day. A second group of children was fed a non-animal based diet; these children were found to develop slower, both physically and mentally, than the children who were fed meat. The children were often shorter than the other children and had difficulty concentrating.

    It must be remembered, however, that these children were starving prior to the study. Of course they developed quicker when they were fed a protein-based diet after having been malnourished.

    Her statement begs the question: What human being, even those devilish vegans, would ask that a starving child not be fed meat if it were available to them?

    Veganism is a lifestyle choice for people with the means and inclination to live it, not for starving children in Africa or their parents.

    People who choose vegetarianism or veganism as part of their lifestyle pay a lot more attention to what they are putting into their mouths than most other Americans, so one would think that they would be more inclined to teach their children healthy habits.

    This is not always true, said Stephanie Ewing, a registered dietitian at Sacramento State.

    "I wouldn't go so far as to say veganism is unethical, but there is a fine line between people who choose veganism and actually know what they're doing and those who have no idea," Ewing said.

    She also said that veganism can be healthy as long as parents are willing to take the time to learn what is necessary for their children to eat, and she recommends that anyone considering becoming vegetarian or vegan visit a dietitian or nutritionist to see what it would really entail.

    The American Dietetic Association agrees. The most recent position paper at its Web site said, "It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful, are nutritionally adequate and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases... Appropriate planned vegan and lacto-ovo vegetarian diets satisfy the nutrient needs of infants, children and adolescents and promote normal growth."

    Students considering becoming vegetarian or vegan should consult a nutritionist on campus (because it's free). Students also can go to the health center to be tested for vitamin and mineral deficiencies and visit Ewing to find out what vegetables or supplements would be necessary for their specific needs.

    Students also may ask the dietitian other nutrition-related questions, like how to eat healthier.

    Perhaps Professor Allen should be studying how ethical it is for advertisers to market unhealthy eating habits to the youth of America at the same time that they market an unhealthy body image.

    With the rate of obesity in American children reaching an all-time high, it is time to teach children about portion control and the value of vegetables. Diseases which stem from poor eating habits and obesity, like diabetes and heart disease, are becoming increasingly abundant in America.

    Being dishonest with people about what they are eating and not teaching them how to control their food intake seems much more unethical than growing up without fast food and candy.

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    Cattlemen paid for study

    01 March 2005, belfasttelegraph.co.uk

    Regarding Andrea Clements' report headed Expert hits out over vegan diet children (Belfast Telegraph, February 25), readers may be interested to know that the study by Dr Lindsay Allen was paid for by the National Cattlemen's Beef Association.

    Many of the news agencies in the US did not run that story, based on its questionable claims and origin.

    This report from the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) is propaganda from the meat industry.

    VALERIE MIZUHARA, San Francisco.

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    More positive news gert Thanks for posting.

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    Aye that's good stuff, cheers for hunting it out

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    The latest Vegan Society mags says that Lindsay Allen has contacted them, and said that she was severly misrepresented and will be saying so publicly.

    And more press coverage is expected with the launch of their dietician Sandra Hood's book on vegan infant nutrition in a few months.

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    And more press coverage is expected with the launch of their dietician Sandra Hood's book on vegan infant nutrition in a few months.
    If you can remember, please let me know when that book comes out and hopefully, if not available in the US, someone in the UK will be kind enough to work out an arrangement to procure a copy for me .

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    No worries.

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    MAILBAG: "I read there was a study that showed raising kids vegan was dangerous."

    It was like a bad Saturday Night Live skit. The National Cattlemen's Beef Association pays USDA researchers to feed meat to starving kids in Africa and, surprise surprise, they perk up (and no, I'm not making this up). The children adding meat to their starvation diet developed better than those children adding, well, nothing. (Don't let the tobacco companies know, they might try to asphyxiate some kids and prove that breathing cigarette smoke is significantly better for you than, say, suffocation).

    Surely those weren't the only two groups, though: the meat-added group and the nothing-added group? In fact, there were indeed two other control groups in which they instead added a vegetarian food to these malnourished children's diets, but the children were nonetheless shown conclusively to grow best on the meat.

    This of course raises the obvious question: what vegetarian foods did they choose to add to their diets to compare with the meat? Presumably realizing that almost all (90%) Africans are lactose intolerant,[36] the meat-industry-funded USDA researchers compared adding meat to these children's diets with adding... a glass of milk.[37]

    So one group of starving children got meat, one group got nothing, one got milk, and the fourth and final group--to prove meat's superiority once and for all?--got... oil. Yes, just plain vegetable oil, providing essentially zero nutrition except empty calories. Sadly, the children were so malnourished that just adding those extra calories in the form of an extra spoonful of oil increased their muscle mass 40% over those that got nothing.[38]

    Lest one thinks the meat industry wasted their money funding such a ludicrous study, these are some of the headlines they got:
    "Meat is Important for Children's Development."[39]
    "Vegetarian Diet 'Harms Children's Growth.'"[40]
    "Vegetarian Diet 'Bad for Children.'"[41]
    "Vegetarian Diet is Okay, But Meat is Required."[42]
    "Young 'Harmed' By Meat-Free Diets."[43]

    And my personal favorite:
    "Forcing Your Child to Follow a Vegetarian Diet is Unethical, Top Nutrition Expert Says."[44]

    Dietitian and author Brenda Davis responded to the study by citing the fact that the largest organization of nutrition professionals in the world (the American Dietetic Association) officially declared that "Appropriate planned vegan and lacto-ovo vegetarian diets satisfy the nutrient needs of infants, children, and adolescents and promote normal growth," as well as providing "health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases." In recognition of that fact, Dr. Benjamin Spock, perhaps the most esteemed pediatrician of all time, in the final edition of his book, "Dr. Spock's Baby and Child Care" (second only to the bible the best-selling book in American history) recommended that children be raised vegan.

    In her response, Brenda explains why the researchers presumably chose not to include a nutrient-rich plant food as a control group: "doing so would have demonstrated that it is not vegan diets that are inadequate, but rather energy, fat, and protein deficient diets that are inadequate. That would have defeated the purpose of the organization which funded the research, namely the National Cattlemen's Beef Association (US)."

    You can sign up to receive the newsletter via here. The newsletter on his website has the references.

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    Default Cautions About Vegan Diet Baseless, says Physicians Group

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    Research on Undernourished Children Was Misinterpreted as Research on Vegans


    WASHINGTON—A researcher’s cautions about a vegan diet that were publicized at the meetings of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in February were not based on studies of vegans at all, but rather were based on a study of undernourished Kenyan schoolchildren, says the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM).

    The study was designed to test whether adding oil, meat, or milk to the diets of malnourished Kenyan children would improve their overall health, growth, muscle mass, and intelligence test scores. Dr. Lindsay Allen, a nutritionist at the University of California-Davis, and now with the United States Department of Agriculture, was the principal researcher for the study, which was partially funded by the National Cattlemen’s Beef Association.

    The two-year research project tracked the progress of 544 children with an average age of seven years. One group was fed 400 grams of meat daily; another had its diet supplemented with milk; another with the equivalent calories in vegetable oil. The control group continued to consume the highly restricted, near-starvation diet that is typical fare for many poor Kenyans.

    Not surprisingly, the three groups receiving nutritional supplements—meat, milk, and vegetable oil—outperformed the control group in every measured category.

    The study was trumpeted at the AAAS meeting as an attack on vegan diets. Dr. Allen has distanced herself from criticisms of vegan diets, saying vegan diets are probably healthier for adults and even many children than the average U.S. or U.K. diet.

    “The only conclusion you can draw from this study,” said PCRM Nutrition Director Amy Joy Lanou, Ph.D., “is that if you add ANY food, you can improve the health of chronically undernourished children. To draw the conclusion that vegan diets are somehow less healthy for children is absurd.”
    Dr. Lanou points to study results that show the group receiving supplemental vegetable oil—high-energy, but devoid of nutrients—also showed marked improvement over the control group. Moreover, she said, study has little relevance to Europe or North America, where excess food intake, especially overconsumption of meat, dairy, and sweets has led to epidemics of obesity, diabetes, and hypertension.

    Dr. Lanou said, “There’s little doubt that a varied vegetarian or vegan diet is the healthiest regimen for everyone, young and old.”

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    I just heard the tail end of a discussion on raising vegan children on BBC Radio 4 woman's hour this morning. It was about a vegan family in the US being prosecuted for child abuse for feeding their kids a vegan diet, and there's a discussion on the Woman's Hour messageboard.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/h2/h2....manshr&sort=Te
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    hmmm I think I recognise Dr Who, he's Seamus's dad!
    once in a while you can get shown the light
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    Ha Ha!!! It is me fellah Neil.

    We were waiting to see if we would get on, but they never rang. Everyone who did get on from our side did well though.

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    Vegans convicted of assault for starving their daughter

    "An appeals court in Brooklyn has affirmed the first-degree assault conviction of two vegan parents who were accused of nearly starving their daughter to death.

    One member of the four-judge panel of the Appellate Division, Second Department, however, cast doubt on whether the parents were aware of the risks that a vegan diet posed to a baby. The judge, Justice Sondra Miller, said the assault conviction should be vacated.

    "The defendants may have been naïve, and misguided, and even unfit to serve as the custodians of their child," Justice Miller wrote in People v. Swinton, 2003-04653. "What they did not do, however, is evince criminal recklessness."

    Silva and Joseph Swinton, both 24, were convicted in 2003 and sentenced, respectively, to 6 years and 5 years in prison. Mr. Swinton was given a more lenient sentence due to his reduced mental capacity.

    Ms. Swinton gave birth to a baby girl, Ice Swinton, in July 2000. Mistrustful of doctors and modern medicine, she gave birth at home, assisted only by Mr. Swinton. Ice weighed three pounds at birth.

    Over the next 16 months, the Swintons fed their daughter nothing more than nuts and fruit. In November 2001, Ice weighed 10 pounds when she should have weighed about 25. She had no teeth, underdeveloped and soft bones, and could not lift her own head. Ice is reportedly now healthy and living with relatives."




    People need to teach themselves how to do things properly. Especially when it comes to a helpless life.

    Sad...

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    That's a shame that their vegan diet was mentioned when clearly, stupidity was to blame. When omnivores get arrested for this sort of thing, does the news article state, "two omnivore parents..."?
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    What an awful thing to happen. I agree - veganism wasn't to blame here. Inexperience and stupidity was to blame. I'm glad to hear though, that the baby is now healthy.

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    I agree Artichoke -

    Really, what they did wasn't even veganism. It was just plain stupidity. (as you said).

    "Mr. Swinton was given a more lenient sentence due to his reduced mental capacity"

    ....does this mean that he was mentally retarded?

    It's good to know that the baby is doing better now. But it's too bad that it's probably on a meat-eating diet and now everyone is thinking that the reason why she is better is because she's getting her "proper food" (meat, eggs, milk...gross).

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    2 things, first of all, the parents fed the baby cod liver oil, which last time i checked wasn't vegan. The news just picked up on the word vegan because they're dictionary impaired. Second:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in668225.shtml
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    Baby's vegan parents clear of manslaughter

    By Ihosvani Rodriguez, November 09, 2005, www.news.com.au

    JURY yesterday rejected charges a vegan couple committed manslaughter by starving their newborn daughter to death with an unorthodox diet of raw food and vegetables.

    While the parents were cleared of manslaughter, the jury found Joseph and Lamoy Andressohn guilty of neglecting their four other children who authorities say were malnourished and small for their ages.
    The jury, which reached its verdicts in less than two hours, hurried out of the Miami-Dade County courthouse without explaining the split decision.

    The mixed verdict is the latest twist in a unique criminal case that made international headlines, sparked internet debates and was followed closely by many in the vegan community.

    Sitting next to four cardboard boxes filled with the documents prosecutors used to make their case, and with disturbing autopsy photos within centimetres from the jury, Joseph Andressohn kissed his wife's hands and breathed deeply after a clerk read the jury's verdict.

    "I can't wait to see my children," said Lamoy Andressohn, 30. "I thank God and I thank the judge."

    Asked how she felt that the jury had ruled she neglected her children, Lamoy Andressohn said quietly, "I know that I didn't."

    Her husband said he was pleased with the verdict and said the outcome was the best he and his wife could have hoped for.

    The Andressohns could be sentenced to 20 years in prison and encounter some legal trouble regaining custody of their four children.

    The children and a fifth child, born earlier this year, are in an aunt's custody. Sentencing is scheduled for December 12.

    Determined to fight the charges from the start, the couple rejected several plea offers including serving only probation.

    Authorities charged the parents after an autopsy report determined five-month-old Woyah Andressohn died of malnutrition on May 15, 2003, and weighed only 3.17kg - about 2.7kg less than she should have at six months.

    She was fed a diet which relied heavily on wheat grass, coconut milk, avocado, fruit and nuts.

    The Andressohn's lawyers Ellis Rubin and Robert Barrar spent the month-long trial raising doubts with a group of hired medical experts who defended the diet and said the child may have died from a rare genetic disease.

    In his closing arguments yesterday, Mr Rubin said overzealous officials botched the investigation.

    He said at the time of the death, Florida's Department of Children and Families was still red-faced over the mishandlings in the high-profile case of missing five-year-old Rilya Wilson and was determined to make amends.

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    Gertvegan, can you tell us what you really think about this case? I would really value your response.
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    I just read most (but not all) of the postings here. Much concern of non-vegans about vegan children seems to be that they're not getting a "balanced" diet. You need a balanced diet no matter what you choose to eat - it's not just us. Why is it that when we give up carcass and pus, everybody starts screaming about how we're not eating a "balanced" diet, but no one bats an eye when someone subsists primarily on bacon and cheese?

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