Results 1 to 37 of 37

Thread: Shapelle Corby

  1. #1

    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    At home
    Posts
    1,689

    Default Shapelle Corby

    Just wondering how other Aussies feel about this issue in Bali. I am passionately certain that she is innocent and I wish the f**king government would get off their fat lazy asses and f**king do something already. The conditions in those cells are horrific and she does not deserve to be there. It isn't fair. Come on Mr Downer - what if it was your daughter? And it EASILY could have been.

  2. #2

    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    45

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    I certainly don't think it's our place to work off media hype and lean towards innocence or guilt - but either way, it was just 4kg of dope. WHO GIVES A RATS? IT'S JUST A BIT OF DOPE! As far as I'm concerned, if she IS guilty, she's done her punishment 10 times over already. The death penalty is always totally unjustifiable in any situation, I'm not sure I'd even wish it on Bush himself. But life in prison? Her life would be destroyed. For what? Stupidly, ridiculously harsh penalties. Life in prison? Give me a bucket.

  3. #3
    Ratbag Cal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    A Land Down Under
    Posts
    175

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    Quote Roastie
    it was just 4kg of dope. WHO GIVES A RATS? IT'S JUST A BIT OF DOPE!
    That's exactly how I feel about it, Roastie.
    A bit rattled

  4. #4
    Seaside
    Guest

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    What's this about? Someone caught with drugs and getting life in prison?

  5. #5
    AR Activist Roxy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    South Australia
    Posts
    4,977

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    The first I really heard about this case was when in was in Australia back in March. The whole thing is absolutely scandalous, and from what I know, I believe that she is an innocent victim of a drug trafficking ring in Australia.

    I've been following the story in the on-line version of the Courier Mail and my heart goes out to her and her family. I think the whole thing is very unjust and that she is not receiving a fair trial at all. The indonesian court system is going to try and make an "example" of an innocent woman. Assholes.

  6. #6

    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    At home
    Posts
    1,689

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    Yeah, basically she was caught with 4kg of marajuana in her boogie board case by customs officers as she was coming from Australia to Bali. I think at first she was looking at death by firing squad - now they are looking at life in Prison. But I know I would rather be dead then be subjected to life in an Indonesian Prison.

  7. #7
    veganblue's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    South Australia
    Posts
    530

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    Has anyone heard if there is an extradition treaty with Indonesia? I don't think that there is but I think that there certainly should be! An agreement that means that a citizen of another country can, under defined situations, be tried in their originating/home country for the crime apparently committed. It would have to be limited but in the event of a crime punishable by death or life imprisonment in one country where in Australia it might be a hefty fine or temporary imprisonment.

    In Indonesia, they will have the attitude that we are too lenient on drug crimes. The potential for harm to others is hardly life threatening. Compare this to the Bali bombing where so many died and the ring leader (which there hardly seems to be any doubt that he is guilty) gets a comparative slap on the wrists...?!

    Even if Corby *is* guilty, and I doubt that she is, it is hard to see how justice is being served.
    "if compassion is extreme, then call me an extremist"

  8. #8

    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    At home
    Posts
    1,689

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    Quote veganblue
    Even if Corby *is* guilty, and I doubt that she is, it is hard to see how justice is being served.
    It's not.

  9. #9
    Seaside
    Guest

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    My dad has been to Indonesia, and I guess you aren't even allowed to chew gum in public.

    This reminds me of a movie I saw a long time ago called "Bangkok Hilton" starring Nicole Kidman before she got really famous. Her character gets drugs planted on her, and gets caught and sent to prison in Thailand. It was a harrowing movie. It must be a total nightmare in real life, guilty or innocent.

  10. #10
    cross barer
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    melbourne
    Posts
    661

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    I had a friend who did a few years in Bali for posession. He had done some gaol in Australia as well, so he knew that indonesian prison wasn't as bad because there isn't anyone that tried to kill him. He said there were no standover men, and when someone had a resentment they stabbed the other guy in the arse rather than in the throat. That was in the early 90's so things probably aren't greatly different.
    Womens prisons in Australia are even worse than mens. IF she doesn't get executed she is probably better off doing gaol over there than here.

  11. #11
    Ratbag Cal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    A Land Down Under
    Posts
    175

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    I can't believe it, but Schapelle got 20 years.
    A bit rattled

  12. #12
    AR Activist Roxy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    South Australia
    Posts
    4,977

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    Yes I just found out too My heart goes out to the poor woman and her family. This must be so awful - I can't imagine!

    By the way, I think John Howard is a spineless twit after reading in the Courier Mail on-line what he said today. It's almost as if he's washed his hands of the matter, like he has no responsibility to set an innocent citizen of his own country free from false imprisonment in a shit-hole!

  13. #13
    Ratbag Cal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    A Land Down Under
    Posts
    175

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    Quote Roxy
    By the way, I think John Howard is a spineless twit after reading in the Courier Mail on-line what he said today. It's almost as if he's washed his hands of the matter, like he has no responsibility to set an innocent citizen of his own country free from false imprisonment in a shit-hole!
    Yes, Roxy, agree completely. I read his comments on the ABC news website. Pathetic man.
    A bit rattled

  14. #14
    I eve's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Queensland, Australia
    Posts
    2,210

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    Sadly, which ever way we look at it, she was found to have that marijuana in her boogie bag, and couldn't prove that anyone else put it there. That's the way the law works. But twenty years?!

    I heard one chap on the radio today who had spent many years in a prison there, and he reckons she should learn the language - she's already been in klink for several months but I guess she was banking on coming back home. And you're right, Roxy,
    John Howard really is a spineless twit. It's almost as if he's washed his hands of the matter ...
    Isn't it the same with the two Aussie prisoners in Guantanamo Bay prison? One is back here now, but we don't here a dicky bird from him now, and the other guy is still out there.
    Eve

  15. #15
    Miel Miette's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    67

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    We really don't know that she is innocent. We have only heard the Australian media's version of what is going on, and that is the version that they think will sell the most papers, never the most truthful one.

    Leaving whether she did it or not aside for the moment, 20 years seems a lot. Does anyone know what the average sentance for a foreign person smuggling that quantity of pot into the country is?

  16. #16

    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    At home
    Posts
    1,689

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    No, we don't know for sure that she is innocent - but come on - 20 years for dope? Maybe the authorities need to spend more energy catching real criminals. I personally don't believe she did it.

    My heart goes out to Schapelle and those close to her. I have been at work all day and didn't hear John Howard's response, but I am sure it was pathetic, jusdging by all your comments.

  17. #17
    Kurmudgeon
    Guest

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    I thought channel 9 and Mikey had figured out she is innocent (only good thing about that station is that it shows Frasier).

    And that Bali bomber guy got 2.5 years, didn't he?

  18. #18

    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    At home
    Posts
    1,689

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    dipshits - he murdered heaps of people and she gets 20 years for something that they can't prove that she did.

  19. #19
    Miel Miette's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    67

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    Oh I agree totally. 20 years for pot and 2.5 years for murder is all out of proportion. It's insane, really.

  20. #20
    cross barer
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    melbourne
    Posts
    661

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    I'm surprised they didn't give her the death penalty, I suppose that is the compromise when the political environment is taken into consideration.

  21. #21
    Ratbag Cal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    A Land Down Under
    Posts
    175

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    Quote Miel Miette
    Leaving whether she did it or not aside for the moment, 20 years seems a lot. Does anyone know what the average sentance for a foreign person smuggling that quantity of pot into the country is?
    One "expert" said that 20 years was, in fact, a light sentence for that particular offence.
    A bit rattled

  22. #22
    cross barer
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    melbourne
    Posts
    661

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    Australian government is trying to cash in on public sentiment by stating they are "sorry" for her. ARe they "sorry" for David Hicks?

  23. #23
    AR Activist Roxy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    South Australia
    Posts
    4,977

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    Innocent until proven guilty. I don't believe there was proof beyond reasonable doubt that she was guilty.

  24. #24
    I eve's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Queensland, Australia
    Posts
    2,210

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    Would you call someone "innocent" if found with dope in their luggage, with no explanation except that somebody else must have put it there?

    As for Bashir who got 2 yrs (?) in connection with the Bali bombing - the difference was that he had good lawyers who tore the prosecutor's "evidence" to shreds on most counts. They could only get him for some slight technicality.

    Corby chose two idiots, selecting them from the yellow pages on the ground that they spoke English. Amazing that the judges allowed the "evidence" from a prisoner in Australia, when it was nothing more than hearsay. Hearsay is certainly not allowed here. Then they got Corby to write to Dr Yudiono for a pardon - even though a pardon can't be granted unless a person has been found guilty. What sort of lawyers did she have for heaven's sake? Let's hope that this time they accept the offer by our Foreign Minister of two good QCs for the appeal.
    Eve

  25. #25
    Geoff
    Guest

    Default Re: Schapelle Corby

    Quote eve
    .

    Corby chose two idiots, selecting them from the yellow pages on the ground that they spoke English. Amazing that the judges allowed the "evidence" from a prisoner in Australia, when it was nothing more than hearsay. Hearsay is certainly not allowed here. Then they got Corby to write to Dr Yudiono for a pardon - even though a pardon can't be granted unless a person has been found guilty. What sort of lawyers did she have for heaven's sake? Let's hope that this time they accept the offer by our Foreign Minister of two good QCs for the appeal.
    It's my understanding that the Corby family found the lawyers, who were the first English speaking ones to answer the phone.(Surely you'd want English speaking lawyers to defend an English speaking defendant?). It was a Sunday so not many firms would have been working and I imagine that the family would have been in a panic so accepted whatever they could find.
    From what I've seen, her legal team comprises more than two people and you don't get through law school if you're an 'idiot'.
    An Australian lawyer (QC?) said that she would have been found guilty on the same evidence if the case had been heard here.
    The chief judge in this case has heard some 500 drugs cases and has a 100% conviction rate.
    Maybe Eve should offer to run the appeal!

  26. #26
    AR Activist Roxy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    South Australia
    Posts
    4,977

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    Quote eve
    Would you call someone "innocent" if found with dope in their luggage, with no explanation except that somebody else must have put it there?
    Indonesian, like Australian law operates under the principal that a person is innocent until proven guilty.

    In this particular case, I really don't think that there proof beyond reasonable doubt that she was guilty.

  27. #27
    I eve's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Queensland, Australia
    Posts
    2,210

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    obviously the judges decided otherwise.
    Eve

  28. #28
    AR Activist Roxy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    South Australia
    Posts
    4,977

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    Yep. And that's what makes them Morons.

  29. #29
    I eve's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Queensland, Australia
    Posts
    2,210

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    do you know what the definition of a moron is? - the Oxford English states it is a stupid or foolish person, or psychologically someone with a mental age of 8 - 10yrs. You don't achieve anything by calling these judges names. They have seen hundreds and hundreds of people up in front of them caught with drugs, all pleading that they were framed. Hopefully, though, they test each person on the evidence; unfortunately Corby's team provided no evidence of who else had put the drugs in her bag.
    Eve

  30. #30
    Geoff
    Guest

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    Quote eve
    .Corby chose two idiots, selecting them from the yellow pages on the ground that they spoke English.
    And an 'idiot' is defined as:
    A person of profound mental retardation having a mental age below three years and generally being unable to learn connected speech or guard against common dangers.

    Even WORSE than a 'moron!'

  31. #31

    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    At home
    Posts
    1,689

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    LOL

    I have to agree with Roxy - and if we are going to get technical, then they are JERKS

  32. #32
    AR Activist Roxy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    South Australia
    Posts
    4,977

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    Quote eve
    do you know what the definition of a moron is? - the Oxford English states it is a stupid or foolish person, or psychologically someone with a mental age of 8 - 10yrs. You don't achieve anything by calling these judges names. They have seen hundreds and hundreds of people up in front of them caught with drugs, all pleading that they were framed. Hopefully, though, they test each person on the evidence; unfortunately Corby's team provided no evidence of who else had put the drugs in her bag.
    Ahhhhhh - Eve - I do think they are foolish people. So I stand by what I said. They are morons.

  33. #33

    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    4

    Cool Re: Shapelle Corby

    hey guys, I am originally from Indonesia, and the issue of Schapelle Corby has risen so many times during conversations with my fam n frens that my view has been changed back n forth.
    I agree with Eve, the two idiots hardly have done anything for her, yet I also think that the law was under so much pressure since Corby has been assumed a "victim" by the media since it all began.
    There are so many actions they couldve taken to investigate this further, but they didnt. on the other hand, Corby came from a drug-related family background, that supported the case against her.
    My real question is would this be such a big issue if Corby was a 30 yr old ugly criminal looking fella?
    dont believe evrything u see in the media

  34. #34

    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    New Zealand
    Posts
    19

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    I dont undersand why so many people go to Indonesia for holidays......no offense to Indonesians - i dont want to be offensive, but i will NEVER ever go there because of stuff like this.

    Seriously the idea of being framed for a drug offense...and being locked up for 20 years or being executed just scares me too much, there is no way i would be comfortable going there.

    I am going to have to check country laws before i go travelling.....I guess there are at least a few countries with laws like this.....btw i do not take drugs, while the possibilty of someone shoving some in my bag is small, the consequences of that happening are too crazy imo.

    Have tourist rates dropped because of this at all?

  35. #35
    cross barer
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    melbourne
    Posts
    661

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    I heard there is a new Indonesian perfume available, called 'Schapelle Number 5'.
    ...For women who've lost their appeal...

  36. #36
    I eve's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Queensland, Australia
    Posts
    2,210

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    very funny adam a!
    Eve

  37. #37
    Mozbee
    Guest

    Default Re: Shapelle Corby

    She's a another victim of another corrupt legal system.

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •